76ers back to fining Ben Simmons

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Ya'll's hate for Ben Simmons and ignorance on mental illness leads to just some wild takes.

why don't you ask yourself why Ben is getting this all but unanimous level of hate?
why he's getting so little benefit of the doubt?
just go through the comments in Shams original article, and those definitelt not Sixers fans.

whatever he did last year and during the summer, he lost all the respect when he played the mental health card.
these are not people not taking mental illness serious as a topic, these are people super upset that such an important and often misunderstood issue is being weaponized in a contract dispute between millionaires.

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[the_process]

Best thing for all sides is they come to some sort of financial agreement and let him go.

Why would it be the "best thing" for the Sixers to lose an asset for nothing in return?

After what his agent said today, ie Simmons is not mentally fit to play in the NBA, I don't see how Simmons is an asset anymore. I don't believe Simmons should concentrate on playing professional basketball at this stage of his life. There is no shame in that. Many young promising players had to call it quits at a young age due to injuries/health. This is nothing different.

Simmons can agree to a buyout on his contract where he forfeits all future money at any time he would like.

He won't be doing that, I promise you.

[celtics543]

So if Ben gets traded and immediately starts playing again will the league levy huge fines against him and Rich Paul? If you're going to claim mental illness and needing to be away that can't end just because you were traded and now everything is hunky dory. League needs to step in and either decide Ben is having legitimate issues and needs help or he's faking it to try and get paid while not playing.

The two options:

1. Legit mental illness. In that case a trade isn't going to change things and he should be out for an undetermined amount of time to get help. If he plays immediately after the trade then he should be fined heavily.

2. Not legit. He's fined heavily and Rich Paul gets fined even more heavily for violating rules and basically committing fraud.

You do realize there are millions of people in the United States going to work while dealing with mental illness, right? Including some in the NBA both openly(see Love and DeRozan for instance) and some privately. Sometimes they do need time off from work like with other illnesses, but coming back to work doesn't mean they are cured or were faking. And many of us having pointed this out multiple times, but a common suggestion by mental health professionals is to change your environment when possible if its unhealthy for you. It would be natural for a trade to be helpful to his mental health. Not automatically a sign of faking.

Ya'll's hate for Ben Simmons and ignorance on mental illness leads to just some wild takes.

I'm not questioning his mental illness issues. Changing situation can definitely help those. My issue is that if a player can claim mental illness and demand a trade and decide to not play while still getting paid that's going to be an issue for the league. Maybe it never happens again but if it does what happens next? If Kevin Love decided to sit out tomorrow with his very legit mental illness and said it was Cleveland as a situation bringing that on are we all just okay with him demanding a trade, getting paid until that happens, and never playing?

I think Philly should just trade him but this seems like not the best situation. If Rich Paul's next comment is that the only places he'll feel mentally well is if he's playing in Los Angeles? Can he pick his spot this way?

[Maxthirty]

Ya'll's hate for Ben Simmons and ignorance on mental illness leads to just some wild takes.

why don't you ask yourself why Ben is getting this all but unanimous level of hate?
why he's getting so little benefit of the doubt?

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Because people don’t understand mental health? You’re whole post is just assuming Ben is lying when you’re 100% guessing just like everyone else not named Ben Simmons.

[Texas Chuck]

I think Philly should just trade him but this seems like not the best situation. If Rich Paul's next comment is that the only places he'll feel mentally well is if he's playing in Los Angeles? Can he pick his spot this way?

I've said nothing about him getting his way. Philly is in control and have made it clear they aren't giving in. All this slippery slope worrying when the guy supposedly the cause of total anarchy isn't getting his way.

I'm not supporting Simmons's trade demands. I think that statement by Klutch yesterday was absurd and very unhelpful to their client. I've defended Morey on this issue more times than I can count.

I just refuse to play doctor and insist he's faking it when the PA let us know he sought them out for mental health resources long before his mental health became news at training camp. And I definitely refuse to think this unique situation is going to lead to total chaos and anarchy. It's not. This is a one-off.

Notice how many of the anti-Simmons takes have to start with if? I'll deal with if, if and when it happens. Right now we should deal with what is.

[celtics543]

I think Philly should just trade him but this seems like not the best situation. If Rich Paul's next comment is that the only places he'll feel mentally well is if he's playing in Los Angeles? Can he pick his spot this way?

I've said nothing about him getting his way. Philly is in control and have made it clear they aren't giving in. All this slippery slope worrying when the guy supposedly the cause of total anarchy isn't getting his way.

I'm not supporting Simmons's trade demands. I think that statement by Klutch yesterday was absurd and very unhelpful to their client. I've defended Morey on this issue more times than I can count.

I just refuse to play doctor and insist he's faking it when the PA let us know he sought them out for mental health resources long before his mental health became news at training camp. And I definitely refuse to think this unique situation is going to lead to total chaos and anarchy. It's not. This is a one-off.

Notice how many of the anti-Simmons takes have to start with if? I'll deal with if, if and when it happens. Right now we should deal with what is.

I agree, that's why I started with if his mental illness claims are legitimate. He wouldn't be the first big-time pro athlete to have mental health concerns and I completely sympathize with him if that's true. The problem is that the way his agent has framed this entire debacle it makes it look like he's grasping at straws for a reason why Ben should continue getting paid to not play.

[azcatz11]

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...you get the point.

We all know this is BS. Once he gets traded, he's playing very soon for that team. I'll make a wager with anyone on the other side he plays within a week once he gets traded

[Hipster Doofus]

Keep fining his ass. It's musica to my ears

[Curmudgeon]

Well, if Simmons does have mental health issues, it's a bad case of the yips when it comes to shooting.

I think Simmons is exacerbating Darryl Morey's mental health issues.

[DelAbbot]

Can the Sixers file grievance with NBA once Ben's "mental illness" vanishes and starts playing immediately being traded to another team?

[Eyeamok]

He is not Kyrie who can do the scorched earth thing and still come back and teams want him at top dollar....because he is a proven commodity.

This might be true for Kyrie as well, the flat earth part was normally weird, but now he went wat to far with his lunacy.
The biggest asset Kyrie brought to the Nets has been being friend with Durant, without that he would have been treated in a very different way

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Kyrie maybe a bit far to the left but he is a proven commodity. There are some small market teams that are willing to take a risk on him. There is a team that will get bounced from the playoffs (maybe the 76ers) and say with a Kyrie we could easily compete and win a title...he is worth the risk.

[XtremeDunkz]

Best thing for all sides is they come to some sort of financial agreement and let him go.

Why would it be the "best thing" for the Sixers to lose an asset for nothing in return?

After what his agent said today, ie Simmons is not mentally fit to play in the NBA, I don't see how Simmons is an asset anymore. I don't believe Simmons should concentrate on playing professional basketball at this stage of his life. There is no shame in that. Many young promising players had to call it quits at a young age due to injuries/health. This is nothing different.

Then he shouldn't get paid step away and retire. He's always had that option.

But no, he wants 30+ million to sit on his ass

**** that. He's a lying POS

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[Nuntius]

So if Ben gets traded and immediately starts playing again will the league levy huge fines against him and Rich Paul? If you're going to claim mental illness and needing to be away that can't end just because you were traded and now everything is hunky dory.

Not if the root cause of his mental issues are the 76ers.

[Asianiac_24]

Simmons can rest at home and take unpaid vacation, similar to FMLA. But no, Simmons wants to rest at home, play COD, and get 30 million a year

[NyKnicks1714]

So if Ben gets traded and immediately starts playing again will the league levy huge fines against him and Rich Paul? If you're going to claim mental illness and needing to be away that can't end just because you were traded and now everything is hunky dory.

Not if the root cause of his mental issues are the 76ers.

Not a mental health professional, but it seems highly unlikely there's a legitimate mental health issue he has that would vanish instantly when he's traded to another team.

[BK_2020]

Simmons is just taking his personal days. He hasn't missed a day in several years so he probably has hundreds of hours of vacation/ sick/ and personal days rolled over.

[Nuntius]

No matter how much hyperbole you couch it in, it doesn't obscure what a stupid position you're advocating. Morey might not be offered the assets he wants now but the idea that he should basically just release Simmons as a result is so beyond ridiculous.

If you are selling your house and the offers you received are under what you think it is worth, is your solution to just abandon it? Try and use a modicum of common sense here.

This position is no less stupid than Morey’s idiotic comment of “This can last 4 years”. So what’s Morey going to do just hold onto Simmons for the length of his contract and fine him? That fine money doesn’t go back to the 76ers. They’re literally paying for an asset that’s not contributing to their team.

What Morey is doing is keeping a house that he doesn’t even live in, instead of renting it out or selling it for below market value.

I guess you don't really own a lot of assets because there are tons of times when someone holds an asset they are not using because they think its value will rise over time. "Renting" is not an option here so I'm going to ignore that aspect. If you can afford to hold onto a house you're not using when you are only receiving "below market value" offers - that's pretty much what people always do. I bought a house. I still owned my condo that I could not rent (HOAs can burn in hell). I received offers on the condo that I am and my realtor thought were too low. I could afford to carry both places. I did until I received an offer that I thought was fair. Again, by your logic, I should have just canceled my insurance on the condo and then burnt it to the ground.

I don't understand the relevance or equivalency of Morey's this can last 4 years comment so I'll just assume it's another attempt at deflection.

Really, you don't see the relevance? It's quite simple, in my opinion. What Pointgod is saying is that Simmons' value will not get any better in that time period if he continues to not play. His value will stay in the levels that it is right now (which is lower than his value was before this saga begun) which means that Morey will eventually have to sell for below market value. He's just extending the inevitable.

[celtics543]

So if Ben gets traded and immediately starts playing again will the league levy huge fines against him and Rich Paul? If you're going to claim mental illness and needing to be away that can't end just because you were traded and now everything is hunky dory.

Not if the root cause of his mental issues are the 76ers.

Not a mental health professional, but it seems highly unlikely there's a legitimate mental health issue he has that would vanish instantly when he's traded to another team.

So if Rich Paul comes out next week and says that Philly is the cause of his mental health woes and that this list of teams are the only ones he feels like he can play for mentally is that okay? Because that feels like where this is headed. He's going to handpick the teams he feels like he can handle playing for and the others are going to cause him mental anguish.

I have close relatives who suffer from severe mental health issues and if Ben is having real problems then he needs to leave basketball behind and get help. He's made enough money that he never has to work again and can just focus on being healthy. If he's using this as a tool to get to where he wants to go then I hope he gets fined every cent he's ever made and no one ever signs him again.

[TheNewEra]

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...you get the point.

We all know this is BS. Once he gets traded, he's playing very soon for that team. I'll make a wager with anyone on the other side he plays within a week once he gets traded

If his mental health issues are with being in and playing for Philly like reported then why would you be surprised if he played once the situation is resolved and he’s gone ?

[Curmudgeon]

The real a-hole here is Rich Paul, who is playing the NBA owners like a drum.