2025 NBA FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #4 Indiana Pacers (OKC WINS 4-3!)

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Re: 2025 NBA FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #4 Indiana Pacers (OKC WINS 4-3!) 

Post#621 » by ballzboyee » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:06 am

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ballzboyee wrote:Hopefully, at least, the days of playing players through lower leg injuries are over. I had a gut feeling this would happen as soon as they announced he was playing for game six. They rolled the dice twice in game 7, and they got burned. Not only did the Pacers not win a championship, which was probably going to happen anyway because OKC was just the better team, but now the future of your star player is uncertain. I would never mortgage the future of an all-nba level player for a couple of games in the playoffs, and I don't care if it is the Finals.


Such a tough decision really (for the player). You never know if this is your last shot at reaching the title round, nothing is guaranteed especially if you're not an elite superstar (like Haliburton). As competitors, "if you can walk, you can play" mantra is understandable too, these are hungry humans after all and can't blame them if they do want to play. For context with Hali, he also got his generational money already too so again, i understand where he was coming from (whatever the advice of doctors/team/family was, he was vetoing those calls for him not to play) and a Game 7 opportunity obviously added to that personal pressure of showing up/playing.


Sure, I understand. As a competitor the player wants to be on the floor. The coach, the GM, and the owner they want an NBA championship trophy. Who doesn't? However, I don't think any franchise would ever jeopardize the health of a player by playing them with an injury if it were the first game of the season or any other regular season game. They would not do it for an all-star game, and I don't even think a team would risk a player for a game 7 in the first round of the playoffs. No matter the importance of the game, the calculus doesn't change. You are still talking about risking the long-term health of the player. No matter how important one particular game is that never changes. So if a franchise would not risk a player suffering traumatic injury in all of those other situations, then it should not even be discussion at any point. From an ethical medical standpoint, the player has to sit. Sorry, I know it sucks, but that's just sports. The other factor here is that injured players aren't usually very effective because... they are injured. Likely outcome here is that you play him anyway, he's not really effective, and you get the catastrophic secondary injury on top of everything.

In any case, with Boston's injury situation if I am the Pacers I am already thinking we are almost guaranteed an ECF spot. Pacers likely would have had to win maybe one tough series against the Knicks and they are back in the Finals next year. Hali has to sit, and you lose in 7 to a 68-win team. Not the end of the world.
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Re: 2025 NBA FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #4 Indiana Pacers (OKC WINS 4-3!) 

Post#622 » by RRyder823 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:52 am

ballzboyee wrote:
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ballzboyee wrote:Hopefully, at least, the days of playing players through lower leg injuries are over. I had a gut feeling this would happen as soon as they announced he was playing for game six. They rolled the dice twice in game 7, and they got burned. Not only did the Pacers not win a championship, which was probably going to happen anyway because OKC was just the better team, but now the future of your star player is uncertain. I would never mortgage the future of an all-nba level player for a couple of games in the playoffs, and I don't care if it is the Finals.


Such a tough decision really (for the player). You never know if this is your last shot at reaching the title round, nothing is guaranteed especially if you're not an elite superstar (like Haliburton). As competitors, "if you can walk, you can play" mantra is understandable too, these are hungry humans after all and can't blame them if they do want to play. For context with Hali, he also got his generational money already too so again, i understand where he was coming from (whatever the advice of doctors/team/family was, he was vetoing those calls for him not to play) and a Game 7 opportunity obviously added to that personal pressure of showing up/playing.


Sure, I understand. As a competitor the player wants to be on the floor. The coach, the GM, and the owner they want an NBA championship trophy. Who doesn't? However, I don't think any franchise would ever jeopardize the health of a player by playing them with an injury if it were the first game of the season or any other regular season game. They would not do it for an all-star game, and I don't even think a team would risk a player for a game 7 in the first round of the playoffs. No matter the importance of the game, the calculus doesn't change. You are still talking about risking the long-term health of the player. No matter how important one particular game is that never changes. So if a franchise would not risk a player suffering traumatic injury in all of those other situations, then it should not even be discussion at any point. From an ethical medical standpoint, the player has to sit. Sorry, I know it sucks, but that's just sports. The other factor here is that injured players aren't usually very effective because... they are injured. Likely outcome here is that you play him anyway, he's not really effective, and you get the catastrophic secondary injury on top of everything.

In any case, with Boston's injury situation if I am the Pacers I am already thinking we are almost guaranteed an ECF spot. Pacers likely would have had to win maybe one tough series against the Knicks and they are back in the Finals next year. Hali has to sit, and you lose in 7 to a 68-win team. Not the end of the world.
All that's well and good untill you remember that Giannis played on a knee that bent backward a week earlier, won a championship and the opportunity has never again presented itself at even the conference finals (and very possibly never will again) even though at the time it looked like the team was poised for a run at the time.

You NEVER know if the chance is gonna come again and despite what you said in your post the calculation on whether to.let a guy play DOES in fact change depending on the magnitude of the game and it shouldn't be shocking that game 1 of the regular season is looked at differently then game 7 of the Finals

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Post#623 » by Patches Perry » Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:16 am

I'm a little messy but I'm glad these guys got it done. They were the best team all year and finished the job in the playoffs. Shai enters rare air with MVP, scoring champ, FMVP, title (only Kareem, MJ and Shaq have done it). Dort finally got his All-NBA 1st team defense. Jdub made both All-NBA and All-NBA defense teams (I think only Evan Mobley can say that this year). Caruso gets another ring. Besides Caruso, a bunch of guys 26 and under went out there and pushed their way through to a championship despite all their youthful mistakes and learning on the job.

I love the comradery of this team, obviously the group interviews rubs people wrong for some reason, but it's good to see a bunch of good young dudes who appreciate each other and love to play the game. This team is positioned well for the future but you just never know what kind of challenges will come up that could prevent another run. OKC fans learned that the hard way in 2012. We have to appreciate this one and roll with whatever the future holds.

Big ups to Pacers and their fans. Carlisle and all the players are so damn likeable that against literally any other opponent I'd be heavily invested in the Pacers winning. Even on this forum when OKC gets a lot of hate, Pacers fans have been mostly gracious and focused on the real basketball talk. I hope to see Hali back and healthy and Pacers back to playing scary dominant basketball that gives me nightmares.
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Post#624 » by bbms » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:52 am

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Post#625 » by Statlanta » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:02 am

ballzboyee wrote:
durden_tyler wrote:
ballzboyee wrote:Hopefully, at least, the days of playing players through lower leg injuries are over. I had a gut feeling this would happen as soon as they announced he was playing for game six. They rolled the dice twice in game 7, and they got burned. Not only did the Pacers not win a championship, which was probably going to happen anyway because OKC was just the better team, but now the future of your star player is uncertain. I would never mortgage the future of an all-nba level player for a couple of games in the playoffs, and I don't care if it is the Finals.


Such a tough decision really (for the player). You never know if this is your last shot at reaching the title round, nothing is guaranteed especially if you're not an elite superstar (like Haliburton). As competitors, "if you can walk, you can play" mantra is understandable too, these are hungry humans after all and can't blame them if they do want to play. For context with Hali, he also got his generational money already too so again, i understand where he was coming from (whatever the advice of doctors/team/family was, he was vetoing those calls for him not to play) and a Game 7 opportunity obviously added to that personal pressure of showing up/playing.


Sure, I understand. As a competitor the player wants to be on the floor. The coach, the GM, and the owner they want an NBA championship trophy. Who doesn't? However, I don't think any franchise would ever jeopardize the health of a player by playing them with an injury if it were the first game of the season or any other regular season game. They would not do it for an all-star game, and I don't even think a team would risk a player for a game 7 in the first round of the playoffs. No matter the importance of the game, the calculus doesn't change. You are still talking about risking the long-term health of the player. No matter how important one particular game is that never changes. So if a franchise would not risk a player suffering traumatic injury in all of those other situations, then it should not even be discussion at any point. From an ethical medical standpoint, the player has to sit. Sorry, I know it sucks, but that's just sports. The other factor here is that injured players aren't usually very effective because... they are injured. Likely outcome here is that you play him anyway, he's not really effective, and you get the catastrophic secondary injury on top of everything.

In any case, with Boston's injury situation if I am the Pacers I am already thinking we are almost guaranteed an ECF spot. Pacers likely would have had to win maybe one tough series against the Knicks and they are back in the Finals next year. Hali has to sit, and you lose in 7 to a 68-win team. Not the end of the world.


Nah bruh, we gambling. Look at the Bucks they gambled Giannis health the whole playoff run in 2021 and were blessed with a title. Now they may never be there for the next 40 years despite having a top 3 player. The Pacers had a chance to make history and I bet Haliburton would have made that gamble again.
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Post#626 » by pepe1991 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:27 am

Before season i had Celtics and OKC are biggest title favorites.
After regular season, after winning 68 games, OKC became one of 7 teams to ever did it. Before them 4/6 won title.

OKC isn't perfect, almost no team is perfect ( maybe 2017 Warriors, 1995-96 Bulls were), but they are best team in NBA, hands down.

Feel sorry for Pacers and Haliburton, but yea.. It's finals, you will try to play. Being banged up and with muscle imbalance probably played major role in his injury ( just like Tatum's injury ) but it is what it is.
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Post#627 » by drone3 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:36 am

Congrats OKC... Really enjoyed these finals the defensive grind was a joy
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Post#628 » by Froob » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:57 am

man i’m still stunned by pacers minutes. how is siakam not playing like 43 minutes in a do or die game last game of the season you don’t need to save anybody’s minutes.

wtf is ben sheppard doing playing 16 minutes? hes sucked all series. you gotta just ride your best players
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Post#629 » by Devilanche » Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:58 am

RRyder823 wrote:All that's well and good untill you remember that Giannis played on a knee that bent backward a week earlier, won a championship and the opportunity has never again presented itself at even the conference finals (and very possibly never will again) even though at the time it looked like the team was poised for a run at the time.

You NEVER know if the chance is gonna come again and despite what you said in your post the calculation on whether to.let a guy play DOES in fact change depending on the magnitude of the game and it shouldn't be shocking that game 1 of the regular season is looked at differently then game 7 of the Finals

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Post#630 » by Karate Diop » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:18 am

Really leaves a bad taste in your mouth, we could have gotten one of the better Game 7's of all-time but the Haliburton injury and referee bias pretty much nipped that in the bud...

Just goes to show you how OKC is not some unbearable juggernaut though.
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Post#631 » by SpurNani » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:29 am

Froob wrote:man i’m still stunned by pacers minutes. how is siakam not playing like 43 minutes in a do or die game last game of the season you don’t need to save anybody’s minutes.

wtf is ben sheppard doing playing 16 minutes? hes sucked all series. you gotta just ride your best players


If you watch the way Siakam plays, he probably exerts the most energy out of any player on the team that is known for it's grueling high paced style. Siakam was probably exhausted and even more so with no Tyrese out there, allowing OKCs defense to swarm Pascal even more. Toppin has played well this series and usually provides a nice spark off the bench. Its unfortunate he picked game 7 to have the most non descript game of his career.
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Post#632 » by SpurNani » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:36 am

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Just goes to show you how OKC is not some unbearable juggernaut though.


They most certainly weren't. With how badly Shai and JDub shot tonight, they were going to be there to be beaten late if Ty stayed healthy.

But heres the thing, this is probably the worst that OKCs going to be for the foreseeable future. They probably won't have a better regular season record but I expect they will be better in the playoffs now that they are battled tested champions.
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Post#633 » by makubesu » Mon Jun 23, 2025 12:13 pm

I don’t want to dog Carlisle when he overachieved overall. But I think when TJ got a few buckets he lost sight of the game plan. They needed to keep attacking with everyone equally.
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Post#634 » by BrianInPhilly » Mon Jun 23, 2025 12:41 pm

I’m t wasn’t just that they rested Siakam for 5 whole minutes in the 3rd - it’s that they did it overlapping with Nembhard and Turner out too. Just absurd decision. I know Turner was struggling offensively but Bradley was being targeted constantly while in the game. Just disappointed cause game was close up until Carlisle decided to pretty much put a whole bench unit in vs OKC starters
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Post#635 » by Karate Diop » Mon Jun 23, 2025 12:46 pm

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Just goes to show you how OKC is not some unbearable juggernaut though.


They most certainly weren't. With how badly Shai and JDub shot tonight, they were going to be there to be beaten late if Ty stayed healthy.

But heres the thing, this is probably the worst that OKCs going to be for the foreseeable future. They probably won't have a better regular season record but I expect they will be better in the playoffs now that they are battled tested champions.


Maybe? That's where it gets hard, they will get better as individuals and a team, but so will other individuals and teams. Unlike 2K these things aren't linear and eventually they'll have to make hard financial decisions. It's likely that some of the players they have will end up being great, but that might not happen on their team with the limited opportunities available (think James Harden).

Whatever the future might hold, OKC should enjoy their championship - the officiating was questionable but not the worst we've seen in a playoffs and probably not enough to convincingly swing the series one way or another... People will put an asterisk next to their championship because of the Haliburton injury, but that's pretty asinine in my opinion, this isn't a Bucks situation where a player on the team deliberately sought to injure an opponent. It was just bad luck for the Pacers...

Now for the love of God stop with all the flopping so you can be an enjoyable team to watch.
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Post#636 » by Castle Black » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:06 pm

OKC fans harassing Pacers fans after the game. A middle-aged woman and a child, no less. Stole the kid's hat. Garbage.

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Post#638 » by jkvonny » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:48 pm

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Post#640 » by jkvonny » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:59 pm

Congrats to the Thunder and fans!

We (Spurs) had a pretty good rivalry with them during the 2010s. The KD/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka teams came close but couldn't quite get over the hump. Mostly due to youth or injuries during the playoffs during the 2010s.
Maybe Wemby vs Chet battles in the future!

Congrats on yalls first NBA championship!
I know the 1979 Seattle SuperSonics won it all. But this one belongs to OKC!

Good season for the Pacers, close! Get well Hali! Bright future for yall too. Will get your's in the future.

From one mid/small market (San Antonio) to other mid/small markets (OKC and Indiana). Great series and congrats on the season.

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