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Re: Nets Trying To Get Billups And RIP Along With Anthony 

Post#641 » by elbowthrower » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:17 pm

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elbowthrower wrote:Up to the Harrington part, I still think Harris, Favors, Morrow, throw-ins and 2 or 3 picks is a very good deal for the Nets.

Quality > quantity and unfortunately for Denver those picks could very possibly end up being the next Julius Hodge or Linas Kleiza.

Favors is still very raw. Odds of him turning out to be another Duncan or even Al Jefferson are slim. And by the time he develops, if he does, his rookie deal will be over and Denver will have to cough up some major cash to keep him.

The Nets are getting the proverbial bird in the hand, a proven scorer and clutch player who by himself will get them another 5-10 wins. They're getting a huge marketing vehicle. AND they're preventing the Knicks from getting him.

I can see why their owner is hell bent on making this deal.


So the Nets would win 30 games (assuming they win 21 of their remaining games with Melo) with no real way of improving themselves (since they've gotten rid of every high valued asset they have) while saddling their team with bad contracts in order to appease the Nuggets' demand.

Yeah, that's a way to build the franchise.

The only reason the Nets should be giving up all of these assets is if they believe there's going to be some "hush-hush" deal going on that would land them Paul in the future.

Otherwise, this deal really makes no sense to them from a basketball stand point.

Marketing? Maybe, but from a pure basketball standpoint? No freakin way.


Some of that depends on which picks they trade. But anyway if they're a 30 win team (which is not a given) they'll eventually get some decent picks. Rip's expiring will be worth something, and CB will come off the books at the same time. Then you have a lot of cheap role players and cap space.

I don't see them stuck in a rut at all.
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Post#642 » by Prot9 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:19 pm

BrooklynSwag wrote:
1. none are insured. more savings from ny.

2. AR can get a 1st round pick. Its not opinion its a fact. 5 first but only willing to give 2.

3. Any young player not every young player. lol.


1. I don't know salary cap so I'm not going there.

2. What else do you know for a fact almighty one?

3. Deal 1: Wilson Chandler. Deal 2: Devin Harris, Derrick Favors, Anthony Morrow, D James. Hmmmm I wonder which one is better. It doesn't matter if you think player A is better than player B. The Nets have more PLAYERS, making it more VALUABLE.

Besides:
Devin Harris > Wilson Chandler
Favors > Wilson Chandler
2011 First round pick > Wilson Chandler
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Post#643 » by Bucksfans1and2 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:20 pm

Magic Randolph is now worth a lottery pick????????????????
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Post#644 » by BrooklynSwag » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:21 pm

elbowthrower wrote:Don't know about 1) but what makes anyone think that Randolph will necessarily get the Knicks a decent draft pick? Everything I've read is that that guy isn't working out all that well. Seems like the best you can get right now is a good team taking a chance on him and that means a bad 1st rounder.

And you're talking about Harris being hurt in the same sentence as Gallo? And Chandler's going to eat up some of that cap space if the Nugs chose to re-sign him.


Because he is 21, a big and very talented. No real attitude or anything like that issues. He isnt in the rotation but thats because he takes bad shots. He needs a team that restricts his shooting. I believe many gms would give up their mid to lottery first round picks for him.

Gallo has been very durable in Italy. Two freak injuries. The way Gallo was hurt this year was a freak injury of a guy falling on him. Harris plays with reckless aggression, so he is bound to get hurt due to his small stature.

Chandler is going to take as much capspace as is Harris.
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Re: Nets Trying To Get Billups And RIP Along With Anthony 

Post#645 » by Bucksfans1and2 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:21 pm

I'm 99% sure that the Nets can agree to pay most of their expirings contracts, contracts.
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Post#646 » by magnumt » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:24 pm

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magnumt wrote:

1. Eddy Curry (80% of Contract already paid)+Azabukie (80% covered by Insurance now).
2. AR can be flipped into a 1st(s), and NY has its 2014 Pick.
3. Chandler >>>>>>>>>>> Anything young the Nest can offer. NY can also Trade Gallo and/or Fields.

Your were saying? :thumbsup: :lol:

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LOL wow every source right now says the nuggets have no interest in the Knicks amazing talent.

If what you were saying was true a deal with NY would be being discussed right now. Nobody overrates their roster more than KNick fans.


And yet Melo hasn't signed that Extension yet. Hmmm, go fig.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

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magnumt wrote:1. Eddy Curry (80% of Contract already paid)+Azabukie (80% covered by Insurance now).
2. AR can be flipped into a 1st(s), and NY has its 2014 Pick.
3. Chandler >>>>>>>>>>> Anything young the Nest can offer. NY can also Trade Gallo and/or Fields.

Your were saying? :thumbsup: :lol:

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Now I have no dog in this fight, but it would seem to me that the Nets would have a better offer.

1. I doubt Denver really cares all that much about the insurance. In this deal the Nets would just agree to pay most of Murphy and Sasha's contract and the expirings would be the same.

2. Hypothetically speaking lets say that Magic Randolph can be swapped for a 1st. I doubt it would be for a lottery pick like the NEts have. As for the 2014 pick, that's too far away to have much value.

3. I would say that Favors/Harris is a better offer than Gallo/Chandler. That's just me though.


1. For Team looking for Cap Relief, you can bet your $$$'s that they're looking to not only get under the Luxury Tax, but save $$$s too. Denver wouldn't want to pay close to $20 Million in Expiring money, when 80% of Curry's deal has already been advanced to him, meaning that only a small % is left to pay on his deal...and 80% of Buke's Contract is covered by Insurance, meaning Denver would have to pay 20% of it (which NY can help cover by throwing in $3 Million).

2. It's all speculation at this point on which Picks NJ would actually send. Some reports have it being the Warriors+Nets Pick, others have it being the Lakers+another 1st.

3. So, Chandler who's about 23, and Gallo who's about 22 are worse than Harris+Favors. The argument being that Chandler is about to get paid. Yet, Denver is willing to take on an older Harris on the supposed hypothetical situation that they can flip him for Miller+Batum (why again does Portland do this?).

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Post#647 » by BrooklynSwag » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:24 pm

Prot9 wrote:1. I don't know salary cap so I'm not going there.

2. What else do you know for a fact almighty one?

3. Deal 1: Wilson Chandler. Deal 2: Devin Harris, Derrick Favors, Anthony Morrow, D James. Hmmmm I wonder which one is better. It doesn't matter if you think player A is better than player B. The Nets have more PLAYERS, making it more VALUABLE.

Besides:
Devin Harris > Wilson Chandler
Favors > Wilson Chandler
2011 First round pick > Wilson Chandler


1. cool.

2. there were reports that AR can get a first but Walsh said no.

3. Again its not all for one. Obviously Wilson Chandler would be accompanied with other players. But Wilson Chandler is better than Harris, Favors(who has no offensive game) or definitely MUCH MUCH better than a 1st round pick in a horrible draft.
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Post#648 » by BrooklynSwag » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:26 pm

Bucksfans1and2 wrote:Magic Randolph is now worth a lottery pick????????????????


in this draft yes. but im not going to get into this again.
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Post#649 » by BrooklynSwag » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:27 pm

Bucksfans1and2 wrote:I'm 99% sure that the Nets can agree to pay most of their expirings contracts, contracts.

more power to them. lol. not sure if they can but considering they have done everything else, now i can look forward to something. :lol:
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Post#650 » by magnumt » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:28 pm

dcash4 wrote:only a knicks hater thinks favors is worth more than chandler...riiiiiight. :lol: :thumbsup:


Okay, I'll play along:

Yet you fail to address the 2nd part of my post you were addressing that says NY can also add any combo of Gallo/Fields.

Fields is a ROY Candidate, twice-time Rookie of the Month, on a 2nd Round Pay Scale, and is clearly outplaying the #3 Pick Favors.

Gallo is still on his Rookie deal, and is just about 22. Putting up 15 & 5.

Neither of those two are due for "pay days" as your argument so eloquently eluded to.

How exactly will you spin this one? :roll: :thumbsup:

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Post#651 » by LApwnd » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:29 pm

BrooklynSwag wrote:
Bucksfans1and2 wrote:Magic Randolph is now worth a lottery pick????????????????


in this draft yes. but im not going to get into this again.


he's played 10mins in the last 17 gms, is he injured again?
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Post#652 » by blkout » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:29 pm

Lol please, anyone who gives a lotto pick for Anthony Randolph should be fired on the spot. In any draft.
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Post#653 » by elbowthrower » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:30 pm

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Because he is 21, a big and very talented. No real attitude or anything like that issues. He isnt in the rotation but thats because he takes bad shots. He needs a team that restricts his shooting. I believe many gms would give up their mid to lottery first round picks for him.

Gallo has been very durable in Italy. Two freak injuries. The way Gallo was hurt this year was a freak injury of a guy falling on him. Harris plays with reckless aggression, so he is bound to get hurt due to his small stature.

Chandler is going to take as much capspace as is Harris.


Sorry man but what you believe regarding Randolph and reality might not be in alignment on that one. We'll see though.

I heard Gallo has a bad back.

And the deal I remember seeing for Chandler was around 12 million for 3-5 years. Harris will have 2 years left at $9.3 and $8.5 million. In any case the Nugs will flip Harris for another player sooner or later.
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Post#654 » by Bucksfans1and2 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:30 pm

magnumt wrote:
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magnumt wrote:1. Eddy Curry (80% of Contract already paid)+Azabukie (80% covered by Insurance now).
2. AR can be flipped into a 1st(s), and NY has its 2014 Pick.
3. Chandler >>>>>>>>>>> Anything young the Nest can offer. NY can also Trade Gallo and/or Fields.

Your were saying? :thumbsup: :lol:

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Now I have no dog in this fight, but it would seem to me that the Nets would have a better offer.

1. I doubt Denver really cares all that much about the insurance. In this deal the Nets would just agree to pay most of Murphy and Sasha's contract and the expirings would be the same.

2. Hypothetically speaking lets say that Magic Randolph can be swapped for a 1st. I doubt it would be for a lottery pick like the NEts have. As for the 2014 pick, that's too far away to have much value.

3. I would say that Favors/Harris is a better offer than Gallo/Chandler. That's just me though.


1. For Team looking for Cap Relief, you can bet your $$$'s that they're looking to not only get under the Luxury Tax, but save $$$s too. Denver wouldn't want to pay close to $20 Million in Expiring money, when 80% of Curry's deal has already been advanced to him, meaning that only a small % is left to pay on his deal...and 80% of Buke's Contract is covered by Insurance, meaning Denver would have to pay 20% of it (which NY can help cover by throwing in $3 Million).

2. It's all speculation at this point on which Picks NJ would actually send. Some reports have it being the Warriors+Nets Pick, others have it being the Lakers+another 1st.

3. So, Chandler who's about 23, and Gallo who's about 22 are worse than Harris+Favors. The argument being that Chandler is about to get paid. Yet, Denver is willing to take on an older Harris on the supposed hypothetical situation that they can flip him for Miller+Batum (why again does Portland do this?).

There's more to deals that Numbers, Stats, and armchair-GMing. ;)

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1. I'm 99% sure that the Nets would simply agree to pay the salary of their expirings. It's not like their owner doesn't have the cast.

2. That doesn't change the fact that there isn't a package of picks the Knicks can offer that's better than even Lakers and another 1st.

3. I think the argument would be that Harris, Favors, and picks, are more valuable than Gallo, Chandler and whatever picks the Knicks can offer.
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Post#655 » by BrooklynSwag » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:31 pm

LApwnd wrote:he's played 10mins in the last 17 gms, is he injured again?


no. hes also 21. this draft sucks. he has shown that he can be a good player in this league. has a ton of potential.

the reasons he isnt playing is the tight rotation and he doesnt know what shots he should take. Horrible shot selection.
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Post#656 » by bruddahmanmatt » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:32 pm

BrooklynSwag wrote:Because he is 21, a big and very talented. No real attitude or anything like that issues. He isnt in the rotation but thats because he takes bad shots. He needs a team that restricts his shooting. I believe many gms would give up their mid to lottery first round picks for him.


Name some teams that would give up their lottery picks for AR please. You're excuse that he isn't in the rotation due to poor shot selection and not his attitude is a joke as well. The two sort of go hand in hand (ignoring the coach's instructions to NOT take (Please Use More Appropriate Word) shots) unless he's a moron with a horribly low BBIQ which is an argument against your theory that "MANY GMs would give up their lottery picks" for the guy. :roll:

Unless there's a team out there that sees some unrealized potential in the guy, you ain't getting a lottery pick for him anytime soon. If that BS were true, he would have been moved already.
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Post#657 » by Bucksfans1and2 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:33 pm

BrooklynSwag wrote:
LApwnd wrote:he's played 10mins in the last 17 gms, is he injured again?


no. hes also 21. this draft sucks. he has shown that he can be a good player in this league. has a ton of potential.

the reasons he isnt playing is the tight rotation and he doesnt know what shots he should take. Horrible shot selection.


He's been in the league for 3 years and is averaging 18 mpg. He's not worth a lottery pick in this or any draft.
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Post#658 » by LApwnd » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:33 pm

BrooklynSwag wrote:
LApwnd wrote:he's played 10mins in the last 17 gms, is he injured again?


no. hes also 21. this draft sucks. he has shown that he can be a good player in this league. has a ton of potential.

the reasons he isnt playing is the tight rotation and he doesnt know what shots he should take. Horrible shot selection.


how do you know this draft sucks, you can see into the future? as you are a knick fan I'm sure you didn't see Fields having the year he is having, but we do know AR is overrated/overhyped over the years, he aint worth a lottery pick maybe a late 1st at best at this point, he might be 6 11 but he plays more like a SG
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Post#659 » by BrooklynSwag » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:34 pm

elbowthrower wrote:Sorry man but what you believe regarding Randolph and reality might not be in alignment on that one. We'll see though.

I heard Gallo has a bad back.

And the deal I remember seeing for Chandler was around 12 million for 3-5 years. Harris will have 2 years left at $9.3 and $8.5 million. In any case the Nugs will flip Harris for another player sooner or later.


1. Okay I guess.

2. No. He had surgery on a freak accident and now he has no pain in it and is 100% back. no pun intended.

3. 12 million for chandler? I dont think anyone is that crazy. Plus Harris is 4 years older and rumors are he would go for batum. Chandler>>>Batum.
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Post#660 » by BrooklynSwag » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:36 pm

bruddahmanmatt wrote:Name some teams that would give up their lottery picks for AR please. You're excuse that he isn't in the rotation due to poor shot selection and not his attitude is a joke as well. The two sort of go hand in hand (ignoring the coach's instructions to NOT take (Please Use More Appropriate Word) shots) unless he's a moron with a horribly low BBIQ which is an argument against your theory that "MANY GMs would give up their lottery picks" for the guy. :roll:

Unless there's a team out there that sees some unrealized potential in the guy, you ain't getting a lottery pick for him anytime soon. If that BS were true, he would have been moved already.


pacers would. im not going to go through the AR thing again. this thread is not for that. i had a thread in the trades and transactions forum specifically for that.

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