Dwight Howard trade rumor thread (Talks on hold? P. 90)

chubby_1_kenobi · Post #641 » by **chubby_1_kenobi** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:20 am

arkknight1988 wrote:
Zedders wrote:Only problem for Houston is that they have nothing to surround Dwight with to convince him that they are contenders.

Josh smith could join them next summer

Will they have the cap to sign Josh Smith if Magic demand them taking Hedo, J-rich, Q-rich and Duhon's contracts?

ClayDavis · Post #642 » by **ClayDavis** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:20 am

arkknight1988 wrote:
Zedders wrote:Only problem for Houston is that they have nothing to surround Dwight with to convince him that they are contenders.

Josh smith could join them next summer

or dwight could join him. i only say this cause atlanta is his hometown.

RocketPower23 · Post #643 » by **RocketPower23** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:20 am

Jason McLaed ‏@InsiderJayNBA
Beginning to look like the Nets are starting to move on, Hearing main hurdle is LAL requiring long term commitment from Howard.

kblo247 · Post #644 » by **kblo247** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:21 am

@Jazzd15 - Except Deron has seen far less Crash and Joe types join him in Utah or Jersey

A guy like Dwight who has had the Arenas, Vnce, Rashard, Hedo, etc over the hill hyped all star who wasnt playing up to par pre trade isn't going to convince Dwight. Otis already showed him first hand not to fall for that ****

RutgersBJJ · Post #645 » by **RutgersBJJ** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:21 am

Dwight is going to re-sign with whatever team trades for him. If he wasn't he would pull a Lebron/Brad Richards and wait till FA not wanting his future team to give up assets for him.

25 million reasons to stay with the Rockets + that top 10 pick from the Raptors + perhaps getting to keep Jeremy Lamb?

FullCircle · Post #646 » by **FullCircle** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:22 am

microfib4thewin wrote:
wilhelmthe1st wrote:
microfib4thewin wrote:For the last time, Houston is not going to trade for Bynum on a Dwight trade. For them it's either Dwight or nothing. The Rockets don't have enough pieces around Bynum to contend and it would be difficult to build around Bynum when he's going to be paid nearly as much as Dwight.

okay, are you the ceo or the vp in houston?

And who are you to pretend you have any more authority than the rest of us here? It is simply logic that getting Bynum as the centerpiece doesn't work for a team when they don't have a strong supporting cast. Houston + Bynum - the assets they traded is far from contention, and Bynum is going to be paid 18 mil next year so the Rockets have very little time to build around Bynum before they cap out.

If Dwight is getting moved they will want Dwight to land in Houston. There is no reason to settle for Bynum when a re-signed Bynum will just cripple their cap flexibility while remaining mediocre.

Dude, shut up. :roll:

Litany · Post #647 » by **Litany** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:23 am

GhostX wrote:
rockynpolo wrote:
microfib4thewin wrote:For the last time, Houston is not going to trade for Bynum on a Dwight trade. For them it's either Dwight or nothing. The Rockets don't have enough pieces around Bynum to contend and it would be difficult to build around Bynum when he's going to be paid nearly as much as Dwight.

You honestly think dwight will stay in Houston with what they have there? Do you really? He will leave money on the table for a major market and get back the rest of the money from his adidas enrosement. You can guarantee that. If you thought the lakers were gambling on dwight resigning then the rockets are playing russian roullete with 6 bullets in the chamber.

But , But they have Asik and Parsons...

His options will be Dallas and Atlanta. If he leaves 25 Mil on the table to go to them that's his choice. Is take the risk

Draper · Post #648 » by **Draper** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:23 am

RocketPower23 wrote:
Jason McLaed ‏@InsiderJayNBA
Beginning to look like the Nets are starting to move on, Hearing main hurdle is LAL requiring long term commitment from Howard.

Finally. Someone needs to move on so this whole thing can end.

Shaheen · Post #649 » by **Shaheen** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:24 am

RocketPower23 wrote:
Jason McLaed ‏@InsiderJayNBA
Beginning to look like the Nets are starting to move on, Hearing main hurdle is LAL requiring long term commitment from Howard.

Here we go again...

Ayt · Post #650 » by **Ayt** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:24 am

JazzD15 wrote:
GhostX wrote:
rockynpolo wrote:You honestly think dwight will stay in Houston with what they have there? Do you really? He will leave money on the table for a major market and get back the rest of the money from his adidas enrosement. You can guarantee that. If you thought the lakers were gambling on dwight resigning then the rockets are playing russian roullete with 6 bullets in the chamber.

But , But they have Asik and Parsons...

His options will be Dallas and Atlanta. If he leaves 25 Mil on the table to go to them that's his choice. Is take the risk

Yep. With the lack of S/T options, he's going to be very limited.

FullCircle · Post #651 » by **FullCircle** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:25 am

I know Houston doesn't want to do it, nobody wants them to do it, but the most logical scenario involving Dwight is the one sending him to the Lakers, Bynum to Houston, and picks to Orlando. Lakers are the clear winners in that trade, but no scenario involving Houston and Orlando exclusively makes sense for either team.

Litany · Post #652 » by **Litany** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:25 am

kblo247 wrote:@Jazzd15 - Except Deron has seen far less Crash and Joe types join him in Utah or Jersey

A guy like Dwight who has had the Arenas, Vnce, Rashard, Hedo, etc over the hill hyped all star who wasnt playing up to par pre trade isn't going to convince Dwight. Otis already showed him first hand not to fall for that ****

I'd put Derons current team on par with te Jazz team that Deron went to the WCF with.

I think that's where this Nets team peaks.

microfib4thewin · Post #653 » by **microfib4thewin** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:25 am

therealbig3 wrote:
Stephano wrote:I'm pretty sure next season sign & trades are prohibited to any team above the luxury tax.

Oh yeah, I read that somewhere before.

Thanks.

Even if teams above the tax threshold can still do S&T I only see Houston calling Howard's bluff and dare him to walk. That kind of bluff would be effective if Howard's group leaks to the public that he has interest in both Dallas and Atlanta. In that scenario it would look like Dwight could end up in a desirable team who has caproom to sign him without needing anyone's permission. That's when Morey might consider doing a S&T with the Nets who can provide more than a consolation package from the teams that can sign him outright. The problem is Dwight made it clear he's dead set on going to Brooklyn, so Dwight leaving for Dallas or Atlanta becomes much less of a threat. This is why Houston will play chicken with Dwight if they manage to get him.

Stebo_SSK · Post #654 » by **Stebo_SSK** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:26 am

Dont understand why Houston would go all in on a guy when they have little to offer him to stick around. Atleast LA has a selling point to it. Houston will be the same caliber of team Orlando is and will be w/o picks and the new young talent. If any team he walks away from the extra 25 mil it will be them.

Sasaki · Post #655 » by **Sasaki** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:27 am

rockynpolo wrote:
microfib4thewin wrote:For the last time, Houston is not going to trade for Bynum on a Dwight trade. For them it's either Dwight or nothing. The Rockets don't have enough pieces around Bynum to contend and it would be difficult to build around Bynum when he's going to be paid nearly as much as Dwight.

You honestly think dwight will stay in Houston with what they have there? Do you really? He will leave money on the table for a major market and get back the rest of the money from his adidas enrosement. You can guarantee that. If you thought the lakers were gambling on dwight resigning then the rockets are playing russian roullete with 6 bullets in the chamber. Its your logic that doesn't make sense, the fact that the 3 said teams were already engaged in talks makes you even less credible. Stop posting.

And why's his endorsement money or chances of winning going to be so much better playing for a crippled Mavericks roster? Or name the so much bigger market he can flee to, since Houston's hardly a small city?

Him fleeing to Atlanta is a possibility, I'll easily acknowledge that. But I can't see anywhere else he could run away to that would be so much better. And that's a risk I'm willing to take.

And in case you Nets fans haven't realized it, just because you guys were willing to use up everything you had left to get Howard doesn't mean we will.

microfib4thewin · Post #656 » by **microfib4thewin** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:28 am

rockynpolo wrote:
microfib4thewin wrote:For the last time, Houston is not going to trade for Bynum on a Dwight trade. For them it's either Dwight or nothing. The Rockets don't have enough pieces around Bynum to contend and it would be difficult to build around Bynum when he's going to be paid nearly as much as Dwight.

You honestly think dwight will stay in Houston with what they have there? Do you really? He will leave money on the table for a major market and get back the rest of the money from his adidas enrosement. You can guarantee that. If you thought the lakers were gambling on dwight resigning then the rockets are playing russian roullete with 6 bullets in the chamber. Its your logic that doesn't make sense, the fact that the 3 said teams were already engaged in talks makes you even less credible. Stop posting.

Again, there are only two places that seem like a remote possibility on signing Dwight if he enters the FA market, Dallas and Atlanta. Neither team have been mentioned at all as far as Dwight's preference goes. Is Howard willing to lose the fifth year and go to a team he doesn't have much interest in? This is as much of a risk for Howard as the team that is getting him for a one year rental.

FullCircle · Post #657 » by **FullCircle** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:29 am

Stebo_SSK wrote:Dont understand why Houston would go all in on a guy when they have little to offer him to stick around. Atleast LA has a selling point to it. Houston will be the same caliber of team Orlando is and will be w/o picks and the new young talent. If any team he walks away from the extra 25 mil it will be them.

Morey's looking to make a splash with a big star to rejuvenate the fan base. I don't think he believes it will make Houston contenders. He's desperate to bring a big time player to Houston and he's gone all in to do it. At this point, if he doesn't land Dwight, or any big player, the last two years for Houston have been a monumental waste of time.

...

Which leads me to believe that ultimately, if they can't get Dwight straight up, they'll be willing to do the Bynum deal that facilitates bringing Howard to LA.

Post #658 » by **dockingsched** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:29 am

Shaheen wrote:
RocketPower23 wrote:
Jason McLaed ‏@InsiderJayNBA
Beginning to look like the Nets are starting to move on, Hearing main hurdle is LAL requiring long term commitment from Howard.

Here we go again...

i think it makes sense LA push for a long term commitment, though it might mean he ends up in houston instead.

LAKESHOW · Post #659 » by **LAKESHOW** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:30 am

RocketPower23 wrote:
Jason McLaed ‏@InsiderJayNBA
Beginning to look like the Nets are starting to move on, Hearing main hurdle is LAL requiring long term commitment from Howard.

Damn straight. we aint gonna embarass ourselves next year, and get FU treatment like the magic are gettin now . . .

gmoney411 · Post #660 » by **gmoney411** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:31 am

Stebo_SSK wrote:Dont understand why Houston would go all in on a guy when they have little to offer him to stick around. Atleast LA has a selling point to it. Houston will be the same caliber of team Orlando is and will be w/o picks and the new young talent. If any team he walks away from the extra 25 mil it will be them.

Don't sell Morey so short. He's not dumb enough to bring in Howard if he doesn't think he can bring in other all star caliber players to convince him to stay. The Howard trade will be the first of many.