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[Pointgod]

I don't know, it might be time for a new new deal. The same welfare deal that created the white middle class in the 30's could be recreated with the idea of stemming the overall tide of wealth inequality.

I could be wrong here, but weren't the welfare deals during the 30's more about keeping people afloat during the great depression? I thought most of what we know as the "middle class"" was created post WW2, when we were helping to rebuild Europe. The real shame here is that the country was very much segregated at that time and most minorities didn't benefit to the same extent that white people did.

Blacks didn't benefit because they were explicitly and implicitly excluded. That was by design. So its time to make the effort, to bring even more out of poverty instead of pretending that what is going on now, īs attempting to so that. It can be done, but burying for good chance racist beliefs, beliefs related to class must end. The New Deal was about spreading the wealth, and allowing many poor whites to climb out of poverty.

Wait so you mean to tell me that some white people didn't refuse handouts and instead insisted on pulling themselves up by their bootstraps?

[Pointgod]

Explain, should they just be handed these jobs or money to make it equal. Is that not segregation in itself? Or is that ok because it's just putting you're race on a higher standard from the others? And I'm not letting you down, in fact I think you're exactly the type of scum that currently represents what is wrong with this society.

Wow you're a moron.

I gave you a And1 as well to make it look you brought up a good point

Feel free to take back your And1 and give it to another moron like yourself. Nowhere did he say people should be handed jobs and given free money.

[MotownMadness]

Wow you're a moron.

I gave you a And1 as well to make it look you brought up a good point

Feel free to take back your And1 and give it to another moron like yourself. Nowhere did he say people should be handed jobs and given free money.

He disguised it but how else do you bring things like wealth equal throughout both races when 1 of them only make up 13% of the country?

[Neutral 123]

I could be wrong here, but weren't the welfare deals during the 30's more about keeping people afloat during the great depression? I thought most of what we know as the "middle class"" was created post WW2, when we were helping to rebuild Europe. The real shame here is that the country was very much segregated at that time and most minorities didn't benefit to the same extent that white people did.

Blacks didn't benefit because they were explicitly and implicitly excluded. That was by design. So its time to make the effort, to bring even more out of poverty instead of pretending that what is going on now, īs attempting to so that. It can be done, but burying for good chance racist beliefs, beliefs related to class must end. The New Deal was about spreading the wealth, and allowing many poor whites to climb out of poverty.

Wait so you mean to tell me that some white people didn't refuse handouts and instead insisted on pulling themselves up by their bootstraps?

Where do you think they got the boots?

[Lionlifer]

I don't know, it might be time for a new new deal. The same welfare deal that created the white middle class in the 30's could be recreated with the idea of stemming the overall tide of wealth inequality.

I could be wrong here, but weren't the welfare deals during the 30's more about keeping people afloat during the great depression? I thought most of what we know as the "middle class"" was created post WW2, when we were helping to rebuild Europe. The real shame here is that the country was very much segregated at that time and most minorities didn't benefit to the same extent that white people did.

Blacks didn't benefit because they were explicitly and implicitly excluded. That was by design. So its time to make the effort, to bring even more out of poverty instead of pretending that what is going on now, īs attempting to so that. It can be done, but burying for good chance racist beliefs, beliefs related to class must end. The New Deal was about spreading the wealth, and allowing many poor whites to climb out of poverty.

Not going to argue the point that minorities were specifically excluded.

But the timing of the rebuild of Europe had a larger impact on creating the middle class and reducing unemployment than the programs of the new deal itself. There was little to no competition in the manufacturing sector at that time. Which further begs the question could a set of programs actually create that much improvement? Especially considering how divided and catty the two parties are today, I'm skeptical to say the least

[ingvald]

Again, racists don't card that he 'highjacked' a funeral. They hate that he speaks out on racial injustice. Rallying support for racial injustice isn't race baiting, its necessary to gain attention and uncover the inevitable cover up.

Would a freedom fighter have;

- Created a hysteria that ultimately got a innocent student murdered?
- Led an anti-Semitic march?
- Lie about a woman being raped and accuse innocent people?
- Refer to white people as "crackers" and gay men as "homos"
- Sponsor predatory loans?
- Be a paid government informant?
- Evade his taxes?

Can you actually refute these facts or will you continue talking out of pure ignorance?

Let me say it again. The issue with Al that folks like yourself have is that he speaks out on racial injustice. That is what precipitates the dislike, the insults and the attempts to discredit him. I don't know him personally, although he seems like an incredible person. His issues are not a concern of mine. He is doing good work, work for humanity, God's work. That is true, that is invaluable work, regardless of what personal failings he has, or can be made up to discredit him.

Neutral- now you're saying that Demole is racist. The two of us have given some very specific reasons for why we don't like the man. That does not make us racist. There are people who don't like Sharpton simply because he is black and discusses race- they are racist.

But when you say "folks like yourself" don't like Sharpton because of race is "playing the race card". Plain and simple. There are many reasons to dislike Sharpton, his tactics, and many of the causes for which he advocates. Not everything is about race- yet you appear to view it as such.

[Neutral 123]

Would a freedom fighter have;

- Created a hysteria that ultimately got a innocent student murdered?
- Led an anti-Semitic march?
- Lie about a woman being raped and accuse innocent people?
- Refer to white people as "crackers" and gay men as "homos"
- Sponsor predatory loans?
- Be a paid government informant?
- Evade his taxes?

Can you actually refute these facts or will you continue talking out of pure ignorance?

Let me say it again. The issue with Al that folks like yourself have is that he speaks out on racial injustice. That is what precipitates the dislike, the insults and the attempts to discredit him. I don't know him personally, although he seems like an incredible person. His issues are not a concern of mine. He is doing good work, work for humanity, God's work. That is true, that is invaluable work, regardless of what personal failings he has, or can be made up to discredit him.

Neutral- now you're saying that Demole is racist. The two of us have given some very specific reasons for why we don't like the man. That does not make us racist. There are people who don't like Sharpton simply because he is black and discusses race- they are racist.

But when you say "folks like yourself" don't like Sharpton because of race is "playing the race card". Plain and simple. There are many reasons to dislike Sharpton, his tactics, and many of the causes for which he advocates. Not everything is about race- yet you appear to view it as such.

He doesn't like Al. Not liking Al, and feeling uncomfortable hearing about racial injustice, doesn't necessarily make someone racist. But let's be honest here, most who don't like Al, don't like him because he is a mouth piece for those who feel they have been wronged because of their race. And I completely agree, not everything is about race. I don't think the OJ trial for instance, had anything to do with race.

[Neutral 123]

I could be wrong here, but weren't the welfare deals during the 30's more about keeping people afloat during the great depression? I thought most of what we know as the "middle class"" was created post WW2, when we were helping to rebuild Europe. The real shame here is that the country was very much segregated at that time and most minorities didn't benefit to the same extent that white people did.

Blacks didn't benefit because they were explicitly and implicitly excluded. That was by design. So its time to make the effort, to bring even more out of poverty instead of pretending that what is going on now, īs attempting to so that. It can be done, but burying for good chance racist beliefs, beliefs related to class must end. The New Deal was about spreading the wealth, and allowing many poor whites to climb out of poverty.

Not going to argue the point that minorities were specifically excluded.

But the timing of the rebuild of Europe had a larger impact on creating the middle class and reducing unemployment than the programs of the new deal itself. There was little to no competition in the manufacturing sector at that time. Which further begs the question could a set of programs actually create that much improvement? Especially considering how divided and catty the two parties are today, I'm skeptical to say the least

What we had then, and what we are seeing more and more over the last three decades, is that economic gains don't necessarily benefit all or most in a society. The government decided to make getting more whites out of poverty through welfare a priority.

[MotownMadness]

Let me say it again. The issue with Al that folks like yourself have is that he speaks out on racial injustice. That is what precipitates the dislike, the insults and the attempts to discredit him. I don't know him personally, although he seems like an incredible person. His issues are not a concern of mine. He is doing good work, work for humanity, God's work. That is true, that is invaluable work, regardless of what personal failings he has, or can be made up to discredit him.

Neutral- now you're saying that Demole is racist. The two of us have given some very specific reasons for why we don't like the man. That does not make us racist. There are people who don't like Sharpton simply because he is black and discusses race- they are racist.

But when you say "folks like yourself" don't like Sharpton because of race is "playing the race card". Plain and simple. There are many reasons to dislike Sharpton, his tactics, and many of the causes for which he advocates. Not everything is about race- yet you appear to view it as such.

He doesn't like Al. Not liking Al, and feeling uncomfortable hearing about racial injustice, doesn't necessarily make someone racist. But let's be honest here, most who don't like Al, don't like him because he is a mouth piece for those who feel they have been wronged because of their race. And I completely agree, not everything is about race. I don't think the OJ trial for instance, had anything to do with race.

How do you know that's why most don't like AL? Or is that just more of you're feel sorry for me everyone is racist agenda?

[Neutral 123]

Neutral- now you're saying that Demole is racist. The two of us have given some very specific reasons for why we don't like the man. That does not make us racist. There are people who don't like Sharpton simply because he is black and discusses race- they are racist.

But when you say "folks like yourself" don't like Sharpton because of race is "playing the race card". Plain and simple. There are many reasons to dislike Sharpton, his tactics, and many of the causes for which he advocates. Not everything is about race- yet you appear to view it as such.

He doesn't like Al. Not liking Al, and feeling uncomfortable hearing about racial injustice, doesn't necessarily make someone racist. But let's be honest here, most who don't like Al, don't like him because he is a mouth piece for those who feel they have been wronged because of their race. And I completely agree, not everything is about race. I don't think the OJ trial for instance, had anything to do with race.

How do you know that's why most don't like AL? Or is that just more of you're feel sorry for me everyone is racist agenda?

They've said so. The major complaints levied against Al is that he is a race baiter, disturbs ****, not that he has called someone a homo. Again, that's why he was brought up in this thread and always gets brought up. Are we going to be honest here, or play games?

[ingvald]

He doesn't like Al. Not liking Al, and feeling uncomfortable hearing about racial injustice, doesn't necessarily make someone racist. But let's be honest here, most who don't like Al, don't like him because he is a mouth piece for those who feel they have been wronged because of their race. And I completely agree, not everything is about race. I don't think the OJ trial for instance, had anything to do with race.

Agreed- there are many people who don't like Sharpton simply because he champions racial issues. Hell, there are many people who don't like him simply because he's black. The country is full of racists of all skin tones.

However, when you compare Al Sharpton to Ghandi and Lincoln (despite his questionable credibility and well-documented legal issues) and you make sweeping generalizations about white people- it makes it very difficult to have an honest discussion about race.

[ingvald]

They've said so.

Unless you've personally talked to and heard from "most people", this kind of sweeping generalization should be avoided. Seriously- you've got a Victim Mentality going on here.

I could give you a dozen reasons why I dislike Clarence Thomas- does that mean I'm racist too?

[Pointgod]

Read it for what? We already know why a lot of people take issue with Sharpton. They do not like the fact that he stands up for cases of racial injustice. He's called a race baiter. People like Al help push things forward. If it wasn't for agitators, freedom fighters like Al, blacks would still have to sneak in the back door of vet offices to get dental treatment, because that is what was deemed 'fair' and just to many whites not that long ago. He won't be celebrated in the same vein as Lincoln, or Ghandi, but he should be.

Sorry, Neutral. Sharpton stands up for many good cases of racial injustice but he has also chosen a number of very poor cases as well. Maybe he's well-intentioned, maybe he just has bad advisors. Personally, I think he (like most politicians) seeks to exploit things for his own personal gain. At some times, I believe he is a race baiter.

Lincoln and Ghandi never championed a cause like Tawana Brawley.

IMO, he's really no better or worse than most politicians. A lot of people don't like him because he's black. But he has significant credibility issues for me.

Holy ****! I guess it is possible for someone to have a semi reasonable post. And you almost made it without resorting to the words the conservatives use like race hustler, race agitator or the ever laughable "racist". You're entitled to your own opinion about Sharpton, but I hate to say it he's a necessary evil. Without him some of these cases of racial injustice would just be swept under the rug.

[Neutral 123]

He doesn't like Al. Not liking Al, and feeling uncomfortable hearing about racial injustice, doesn't necessarily make someone racist. But let's be honest here, most who don't like Al, don't like him because he is a mouth piece for those who feel they have been wronged because of their race. And I completely agree, not everything is about race. I don't think the OJ trial for instance, had anything to do with race.

Agreed- there are many people who don't like Sharpton simply because he champions racial issues. Hell, there are many people who don't like him simply because he's black. The country is full of racists of all skin tones.

However, when you compare Al Sharpton to Ghandi and Lincoln (despite his questionable credibility and well-documented legal issues) and you make sweeping generalizations about white people- it makes it very difficult to have an honest discussion about race.

Why are we even discussing Al Sharpton? He's a red herring often thrown into a discussion by those who aren't interested in an honest discussion about race. The idea that I'm responsible for the direction this thread has taken is laughable. The racism deny'ers have brought it here.

[Neutral 123]

He doesn't like Al. Not liking Al, and feeling uncomfortable hearing about racial injustice, doesn't necessarily make someone racist. But let's be honest here, most who don't like Al, don't like him because he is a mouth piece for those who feel they have been wronged because of their race. And I completely agree, not everything is about race. I don't think the OJ trial for instance, had anything to do with race.

Agreed- there are many people who don't like Sharpton simply because he champions racial issues. Hell, there are many people who don't like him simply because he's black. The country is full of racists of all skin tones.

However, when you compare Al Sharpton to Ghandi and Lincoln (despite his questionable credibility and well-documented legal issues) and you make sweeping generalizations about white people- it makes it very difficult to have an honest discussion about race.

You are also trying to draw an equivalence that doesn't exist. Racism has clearly affected minorities and blacks specifically than vice versa. I'm not sure its even accurate to call blacks racist in this context. The person who hates as he has his foot on a man's throat, is not the same as the man who hates the one for having his foot on his throat. That is the proper context of so called black racism. And to add, I'm willing to bet that history looks more kindly on Al than how he is perceived now.

[MotownMadness]

He doesn't like Al. Not liking Al, and feeling uncomfortable hearing about racial injustice, doesn't necessarily make someone racist. But let's be honest here, most who don't like Al, don't like him because he is a mouth piece for those who feel they have been wronged because of their race. And I completely agree, not everything is about race. I don't think the OJ trial for instance, had anything to do with race.

How do you know that's why most don't like AL? Or is that just more of you're feel sorry for me everyone is racist agenda?

They've said so. The major complaints levied against Al is that he is a race baiter, disturbs ****, not that he has called someone a homo. Again, that's why he was brought up in this thread and always gets brought up. Are we going to be honest here, or play games?

That is why most people don't like him but that's not what you said. You said most don't like him because he's a mouth for those who feel wronged. I feel he's in it for his own selfish reasons and stirs up more racism and divide wiith his views on how society is.

[Neutral 123]

How do you know that's why most don't like AL? Or is that just more of you're feel sorry for me everyone is racist agenda?

They've said so. The major complaints levied against Al is that he is a race baiter, disturbs ****, not that he has called someone a homo. Again, that's why he was brought up in this thread and always gets brought up. Are we going to be honest here, or play games?

That is why most people don't like him but that's not what you said. You said most don't like him because he's a mouth for those who feel wronged. I feel he's in it for his own selfish reasons and stirs up more racism and divide wiith his views on how society is.

That difference is just a matter of perspective. Challenging racism to many is stirring up more racism. Al is doing God's work. They didn't like him either.

[MotownMadness]

They've said so. The major complaints levied against Al is that he is a race baiter, disturbs ****, not that he has called someone a homo. Again, that's why he was brought up in this thread and always gets brought up. Are we going to be honest here, or play games?

That is why most people don't like him but that's not what you said. You said most don't like him because he's a mouth for those who feel wronged. I feel he's in it for his own selfish reasons and stirs up more racism and divide wiith his views on how society is.

That difference is just a matter of perspective. Challenging racism to many is stirring up more racism. Al is doing God's work. They didn't like him either.

He doesn't challenge it, he makes a living off of it and will create racism if has to to continue making a living off of it. Hell listen to his radio show for 5 mins if you want to hear racism. That guy is one of the biggest racist walking this earth. "The white man this, the white man that, put you're children in all black schools" blah blah blah. I can actually see why you respect him so much though given you share his same views and have a constant thirst for creating racism.

[Pointgod]

How do you know that's why most don't like AL? Or is that just more of you're feel sorry for me everyone is racist agenda?

They've said so. The major complaints levied against Al is that he is a race baiter, disturbs ****, not that he has called someone a homo. Again, that's why he was brought up in this thread and always gets brought up. Are we going to be honest here, or play games?

That is why most people don't like him but that's not what you said. You said most don't like him because he's a mouth for those who feel wronged. I feel he's in it for his own selfish reasons and stirs up more racism and divide wiith his views on how society is.

Serious question. How does Al Sharpton stir up more racism? More like he creates a target for racist people to direct their hate at. These people were racist before Al Sharpton and the fact that so many people evoke his name just proves that they have their own prejudice about being reminded about racial inequality.

[MotownMadness]

They've said so. The major complaints levied against Al is that he is a race baiter, disturbs ****, not that he has called someone a homo. Again, that's why he was brought up in this thread and always gets brought up. Are we going to be honest here, or play games?

That is why most people don't like him but that's not what you said. You said most don't like him because he's a mouth for those who feel wronged. I feel he's in it for his own selfish reasons and stirs up more racism and divide wiith his views on how society is.

Serious question. How does Al Sharpton stir up more racism? More like he creates a target for racist people to direct their hate at. These people were racist before Al Sharpton and the fact that so many people evoke his name just proves that they have their own prejudice about being reminded about racial inequality.

There is racism and hate crimes everywhere not just against black people. But it's a one sided deal here where only the black man is some victim in some giant racist conspiracy. But it gets ratings and it makes money sadly. Sharpton and the media know this and make a living off of it.