2017 Isaiah Thomas is better than any version of Iverson.

[SelfishPlayer]

lol Isaiah couldn't even polish AI's shoes, let alone be better than him

I don't know about that. AI was more physical but Thomas is a WAY better shooter. His ability to cross people up and then drain a three in their face is pretty amazing. I also feel like he's more likely to share the ball whereas AI absolutely refused to let teammates score. They had to let a few guys go and build a defensive team around his ball domination.

What guys did the Sixers let go and what precentage did they shoot from three point land when they were let go?

[baldur]

Allen iverson resisted enough against one of the best dynasties ever along with Matt geiger, Kevin ollie and Tyrone hill. Lock the thread.

[stepback]

Thomas is a more efficient player. Better outside shooter.

Iverson was better in every other way. And so much better defensively.

Thomas also benefits from the no hand check, no touching rules of today's NBA. Iverson would be un-guardable in this era.

Same thing with Jordan. MJ would average 50+ in today's NBA. Not even exaggerating. He would embarrass the entire league. Hell, the only reason the NBA allowed that defensive era of the Bad Boy Pistons and Riley's Knicks to continue is because it was the only way to have a competitive league. And still they failed. That's how unstoppable MJ was. Still the GOAT.

[Icandoallthings]

Thomas is a more efficient player. Better outside shooter.

Iverson was better in every other way. And so much better defensively.

Thomas also benefits from the no hand check, no touching rules of today's NBA. Iverson would be un-guardable in this era.

Same thing with Jordan. MJ would average 50+ in today's NBA. Not even exaggerating. He would embarrass the entire league. Hell, the only reason the NBA allowed that defensive era of the Bad Boy Pistons and Riley's Knicks to continue is because it was the only way to have a competitive league. And still they failed. That's how unstoppable MJ was. Still the GOAT.

Iverson himself said he would do the same or worse in today's game.The rare honest answer by one of these guys.

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[Black Jack]

lol Isaiah couldn't even polish AI's shoes, let alone be better than him

I don't know about that. AI was more physical but Thomas is a WAY better shooter. His ability to cross people up and then drain a three in their face is pretty amazing. I also feel like he's more likely to share the ball whereas AI absolutely refused to let teammates score. They had to let a few guys go and build a defensive team around his ball domination.

What guys did the Sixers let go and what precentage did they shoot from three point land when they were let go?

Larry Hughes was pretty good when they let him go. They also had Stackhouse. I just think AI was like Westbrook is now. Desire is to have the ball at all times and teammates are there to bail him out with quick J when he can't find an open shot after dribbling all over the place 1-on-4.

AI was entertaining, loved him at Gtown and in Phily. But it's not a great strategy to win. Isiah Thomas (the first one) played that way early in his career then learned to move the rock around. AI never did.

[SelfishPlayer]

I don't know about that. AI was more physical but Thomas is a WAY better shooter. His ability to cross people up and then drain a three in their face is pretty amazing. I also feel like he's more likely to share the ball whereas AI absolutely refused to let teammates score. They had to let a few guys go and build a defensive team around his ball domination.

What guys did the Sixers let go and what precentage did they shoot from three point land when they were let go?

Larry Hughes was pretty good when they let him go. They also had Stackhouse. I just think AI was like Westbrook is now. Desire is to have the ball at all times and teammates are there to bail him out with quick J when he can't find an open shot after dribbling all over the place 1-on-4.

AI was entertaining, loved him at Gtown and in Phily. But it's not a great strategy to win. Isiah Thomas (the first one) played that way early in his career then learned to move the rock around. AI never did.

Larry Hughes was a bum as a Sixer and tried to be AI on and off the court and he was not capable of living that lifestyle and still performing so the Sixers got rid of him and his 21% 3 point shooting. Jerry Stackhouse was nothing but a future sixth man that couldn't recognize that AI was to be the franchise player so he clashed with AI and that couldn't work, and he was a turnover machine averaging 3.4 turnovers. If AI did so much refusing to let teammates score then how did Stackhouse find so much opportunity to average 3.4 turnovers?

[Geaux_Hawks]

Swap Iverson with IT, and the Celtics are definitely a stronger team, while the Sixers become way worse. We're talking about a guy who played 40+ minutes(Yes Lebron, 40+ minutes), and had to to carry the entire offense, while going up against big, physical giants in the paint on a consistent basis. Imagine a league filled with the Grizzlies beating on you every night just about. MVP Rose and that Bulls team he had is the closest thing to AI in the post handcheck era. We're not even talking about how Thomas is a horrid defender compared to how much better AI was.

[NoStatsGuy]

AI carried three times the load IT does. and he went to the finals, won MVP, created a whole culture. AI is an iconic mofo, who defined a complete generation. i say we wait with sayin IT is better.

you guys are way too much in love with advanced stats and all that efficiency stuff. its about delievering, AI delievered. AI was always the biggest player on the court, even tho he was the smallest. unmatched heart


KD is the perfect example, probably the most efficient guy but hes not delivering. i take players like AI, Wade, Kobe, etc over players with better efficieny stats who cant win and duck under pressure

[Spens1]

Is this a joke.

AI carried Philly on his back and got them to where they where cause of his greatness.

If you took Prime AI and put him on the Celtics, somehow get his ego in check and the Celtics are a title contender i'd say.

[JackZZ]

This just in: "According to ppl in the present, everything now is better than old one."
Are you kidding me? ... AI was better to the point it's pointless to argue. Like others said, screw the advance stats.
Kids, believe it or not, there is more to a player than advance stats alone.
93 ppl voted Yes, so much disrespect.

[pmfg10]

This just in: "According to ppl in the present, everything now is better than old one."
Are you kidding me? ... AI was better to the point it's pointless to argue. Like others said, screw the advance stats.
Kids, believe it or not, there is more to a player than advance stats alone.
93 ppl voted Yes, so much disrespect.

This just in: "According to some people in the past, everything now is worse than the old one". The nostalgia glasses are strong in some of your eyes

[JackZZ]

This just in: "According to ppl in the present, everything now is better than old one."
Are you kidding me? ... AI was better to the point it's pointless to argue. Like others said, screw the advance stats.
Kids, believe it or not, there is more to a player than advance stats alone.
93 ppl voted Yes, so much disrespect.

This just in: "According to some people in the past, everything now is worse than the old one". The nostalgia glasses are strong in some of your eyes

AI>IT is fact ... not nostalgia.

[pmfg10]

This just in: "According to ppl in the present, everything now is better than old one."
Are you kidding me? ... AI was better to the point it's pointless to argue. Like others said, screw the advance stats.
Kids, believe it or not, there is more to a player than advance stats alone.
93 ppl voted Yes, so much disrespect.

This just in: "According to some people in the past, everything now is worse than the old one". The nostalgia glasses are strong in some of your eyes

AI>IT is fact ... not nostalgia.

Haven't seen some facts threw around in this trade. Maybe from the IT > AI side, but not from the other one

[JackZZ]

This just in: "According to some people in the past, everything now is worse than the old one". The nostalgia glasses are strong in some of your eyes

AI>IT is fact ... not nostalgia.

Haven't seen some facts threw around in this trade. Maybe from the IT > AI side, but not from the other one

Yes, look at how 1 dimensional IT is playing against Cavs, getting tossed around like a toy on defensive end. Overrated.

[76ciology]

Then if Celts won against the Cavs in game 2..



"Should Isaiah Thomas be the league's MVP?"

[bon]

Iverson's 2 highest O-Ratings 115, 111.

Thomas this season 122.

7 points on a team O-Rating basis seperates team 5th and 25th.

You realize that this has been the worst average DRTG ever for an NBA season right?

[Geaux_Hawks]

Iverson's 2 highest O-Ratings 115, 111.

Thomas this season 122.

7 points on a team O-Rating basis seperates team 5th and 25th.

This is irrelevant when you're giving it all back on the defensive end. Again, AI had no shooters to open the lane. Handchecking was more prevalent back then. Bigs were everywhere beating up on small guys. It was hard being a guard back then. Now, you can get away with murder.

[nolang1]

So which Iverson 2001 ECF game was his better outing? His 5/26 game or his 5/27 game?

If the C's offer IT the max, is he worth it?

Yes. Look what he's done without a legit #2 scorer to offset some of the load, and make other team's defenses be very concerned about. Pair him with another lights out scorer and the team becomes all the more lethal on offense. Stevens is going to be forced to play Gerald Green the rest of the Cavs series, simply because we have to have someone else on the floor with him who can create his own shot. We're not going to win on kick outs to spot up shooters when IT gets trapped, especially when they can't hit said shots like tonight. Think how much better he becomes if we had another shot creator.

Well, you need lots of defenders who can cover for Thomas. There are not many players who can play that kind of defense and still be lights-out scorers.

[John Murdoch]

lock/

[cycl0nus]

Hell no!!! Get outta here kid