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Post#641 » by Nuntius » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:08 pm

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ItsDanger wrote:US mortality rate is currently at 1.5% in total. Still heavily skewed towards old & underlying conditions, WA state care facility. If the top level rate drops to 0.5%, what is the plan then? Full panic still?


The mortality rate is low, AS LONG as the medical care system is not overloaded and can actually give necessary care to all affected. The rate of carriers that have severe symptoms and require hospitalization/medical care is much higher than 1.5%.

It's the social distancing and actions being taken that will hopefully prevent our medical system from being overloaded and keep our mortality rate down. It's not about panic, it's about being smart about all of this.


This. It's really, really astounding how people have yet to grasp this basic concept.
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Post#642 » by steger_3434 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:08 pm

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madmaxmedia wrote:For a couple of days the daily death count in Italy had slowly dropped (368, 349, 345), but 475 deaths reported today (in the 'Latest Updates', the graph hasn't been updated yet):
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/



300+ deaths a day in one country sounds insane to me..That's like 10,000 deaths in a month...average deaths in the US for the flu is like 16,000 annually..

Italy averages 640,000 deaths per year. That’s over 1700 deaths per day!!!! Without the coronavirus. People freak out about 400 deaths from this. People have a hard time comprehending huge numbers. Yes, 400 deaths from this per day is bad. But if you think 300 is insane did you think 1700 per day two months ago was insane as well?


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Post#644 » by OkcSinceSGA » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:13 pm

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My wife is a nurse. They saw a slight surge a few weeks ago and a sharp decline since. Y'all can stop panicking about our system being "overwhelmed" lol


Your anecdote isn't enough, because there are many cases of the contrary. My wife is Filipina my man. She's a nurse. So are her sisters. Her circle of friends have about 5 nurses, a few NP's and even a couple Dr's. My sister in law is an ER Trauma nurse at Hoag Hospital here in Newport (where Kobe was famously at semi regularly, and his daughters Bianka and Gianna were born). She said they are getting flooded already with a lot of panicked people. Thing is in America, we are still 15-20 days from the start of the peak. We aren't there yet. When it happens, it will happen fast. Even now if you go to an ER in So Cal it's a 4-5 hour wait unless you have cardiac/stroke symptoms.

At this point our opinions mean little. All you need to do is use math and a little logic. There are almost no available beds. There is a huge shortage in Dr's and Nurses.


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Post#645 » by nedleeds » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:14 pm

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Courtside wrote:Absolutely yes, because if 50% of Americans get infected, that means 825,000 deaths.

WTF do the numbers of dead have to reach insane levels for people to think it's worth taking action!?

Less action = likelihood of higher rate. The mortality rate is not baked into the virus, it is absolutely decided by the response to it, and ability to provide care. It could have been less than 0.5% if immediate shutdown happened like 10 days ago. That is no longer likely or even possible, unless some of these modified Malaria or HIV treatments work at high rates.


Its a major factor because people die of the flu every year and most people do not care. The mortality rate should be a key component of any decision regarding action here.


I think the line of thinking with this thing is that the mortality rate should be viewed as a product of our action rather than a determinant of our action.


Just to compare, we've had ~30,000 flu deaths this year. So 30K vs. 825K ... it's a massive, massive spike compared to a normal flu year.
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Post#646 » by nedleeds » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:16 pm

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madmaxmedia wrote:For a couple of days the daily death count in Italy had slowly dropped (368, 349, 345), but 475 deaths reported today (in the 'Latest Updates', the graph hasn't been updated yet):
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/



300+ deaths a day in one country sounds insane to me..That's like 10,000 deaths in a month...average deaths in the US for the flu is like 16,000 annually..

Italy averages 640,000 deaths per year. That’s over 1700 deaths per day!!!! Without the coronavirus. People freak out about 400 deaths from this. People have a hard time comprehending huge numbers. Yes, 400 deaths from this per day is bad. But if you think 300 is insane did you think 1700 per day two months ago was insane as well?


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Post#647 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:17 pm

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rapstarter wrote:I really hope they can make this self-swab kit widely available soon. This is probably the most interesting development from the last few days, other than this $1,000 check.
I heard Mark Cuban whining on the news earlier, not to do the 1000 per person. He wants the government to send money to guys like him and he'll distribute it to his employees.

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link to any video? His twitter account has been active all week with a very different message including talking about using this as an opportunity to close the massive income disparity gap and urging all his followers to support local small businesses.

I wonder if he is opposed to some specifics of the plan, but it sure doesn't sound like he's saying give money to the rich and trust them to take care of it since he's been saying the opposite online.
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Post#648 » by OkcSinceSGA » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:18 pm

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Bandit King wrote:I'm still waiting for the goverment to pass that bill for that $1000 check we suppose to get in the mail.


I've heard they may bump it to two $1,000 checks :wink:


Congress just signed it I believe, it's going to president's desk now. I hope you can ALSO get normal UI considering we pay into that fund every year. If so, both combined would give me $3,600, enough to at least pay my bills fully, with 500 ish for gas and food. I really hope there is a clause where you don't HAVE to be laid off for commission sales. Like my business is being murdered right now. I'm still not laid off, but my income has gone down by like 75% this month so far. So will their be an exception for people suffering pay/hours cuts to get in on this? I hope it's not just a very specific criteria of people.
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Post#649 » by HotRocks34 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:19 pm

US administration teaming up with media outlets to do PSA's and other information distribution in virus fight.

https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-white-house-announces-partnership-with-ad-coun-1842401553

White House Announces Partnership with Ad Council, Major Media Networks, and Digital Platforms for COVID-19 Messages

President Donald J. Trump today announced a major partnership with the Ad Council, major media networks, and digital platforms to effectively communicate accurate and timely information directly to the American people. This partnership is another important component of the all-of-America response to coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), and will benefit high-risk populations and the general public with public service announcements (PSAs) around social distancing, personal hygiene, and mental health.



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Post#650 » by LKN » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:20 pm

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
Ambrose wrote:
Bandit King wrote:I'm still waiting for the goverment to pass that bill for that $1000 check we suppose to get in the mail.


I've heard they may bump it to two $1,000 checks :wink:


Congress just signed it I believe, it's going to president's desk now. I hope you can ALSO get normal UI considering we pay into that fund every year. If so, both combined would give me $3,600, enough to at least pay my bills fully, with 500 ish for gas and food. I really hope there is a clause where you don't HAVE to be laid off for commission sales. Like my business is being murdered right now. I'm still not laid off, but my income has gone down by like 75% this month so far. So will their be an exception for people suffering pay/hours cuts to get in on this? I hope it's not just a very specific criteria of people.


That's not the current bill. The current bill is free testing, paid sick leave, FMLA, etc.
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Post#651 » by Bottomsouth » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:21 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:
not interested in getting into it on Trump other than to say as the leader of the country and one who was actively working against taking measures early, he absolutely deserves a ton of criticism.

That said, it's clear that someone was able to get through to him and the US Govt seems to be all-in on trying to deal with this now so I'm not going to waste time or energy playing the blame game. There will be time enough once we are through the crisis to identify some issues that contributed to making the issue worse.

And no it doesn't need to be said over and over. Everyone knows where the virus first started spreading. And yes Asians are getting harassed by ignorant people being led by Trump and others continuing with that labeling.

And sorry but that sucks and is needless.

And im sure to you it was also racist and fear mongering early when he put in the china travel ban.


One thing to note here:

The only country that has been able to stop Covid-19 so far, South Korea, never issued a travel ban to China.


Not entirely true, they restricted travel from parts of China. Also, they had petitions with over 500k signatures to ban all travel. To add, Japan restricted travel.
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Post#652 » by slamilcarBarca » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:22 pm

Ainosterhaspie wrote:
madmaxmedia wrote:For a couple of days the daily death count in Italy had slowly dropped (368, 349, 345), but 475 deaths reported today (in the 'Latest Updates', the graph hasn't been updated yet):
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

That's still seems like a significant slowing to me. Average over the four days is 384. Hopefully that number doesn't keep creeping up the next few days.


while i encourage positivity and am myself an optimist, what is happening in italy is nothing short of a total heart wrenching massacre. i can't think of the conditions they are enduring, and bravely fighting, without myself weeping about the decisions their doctors have to make. my grandfather was born in northern italy. it feels personal to me. i rejoice in the daily balcony gatherings and hope that once the wave recedes we retain that spirit moving forward. we are all learning what maya angelou has always known.
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Post#653 » by OkcSinceSGA » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:22 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
JHTruth wrote:
My wife is a nurse. They saw a slight surge a few weeks ago and a sharp decline since. Y'all can stop panicking about our system being "overwhelmed" lol


Your anecdote isn't enough, because there are many cases of the contrary. My wife is Filipina my man. She's a nurse. So are her sisters. Her circle of friends have about 5 nurses, a few NP's and even a couple Dr's. My sister in law is an ER Trauma nurse at Hoag Hospital here in Newport (where Kobe was famously at semi regularly, and his daughters Bianka and Gianna were born). She said they are getting flooded already with a lot of panicked people. Thing is in America, we are still 15-20 days from the start of the peak. We aren't there yet. When it happens, it will happen fast. Even now if you go to an ER in So Cal it's a 4-5 hour wait unless you have cardiac/stroke symptoms.

At this point our opinions mean little. All you need to do is use math and a little logic. There are almost no available beds. There is a huge shortage in Dr's and Nurses.


Interesting point about the shortages in Dr's and nurses. Just a week or two ago Trump was saying that they can just hire Dr's if they need them, just like that. Implying that they are out there just waiting to be summoned. Reminded me of the old stereotype of the immigrant workers waiting in front of Home Depot waiting to get picked for odd construction jobs. Yea it doesn't work that way in the medical field....

Not only do we have a shortage of medical professionals, those people are in the front lines battling the illness while they put themselves at risk of the disease, some have already caught it as they treat patients.


Yep. These people are true heroes. Dr's+other medical professionals who fight pandemics deserve to be honored the same way war heroes do IMO. They all deserve metals. Dr's in China that were working 7 straight days with no breaks and dying from COVID+exhaustion are legit heroes that should be remembered forever. As you said, they are giving up their own lives for the cause.



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Post#654 » by Colbinii » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:24 pm

HotRocks34 wrote:US administration teaming up with media outlets to do PSA's and other information distribution in virus fight.

https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-white-house-announces-partnership-with-ad-coun-1842401553

White House Announces Partnership with Ad Council, Major Media Networks, and Digital Platforms for COVID-19 Messages

President Donald J. Trump today announced a major partnership with the Ad Council, major media networks, and digital platforms to effectively communicate accurate and timely information directly to the American people. This partnership is another important component of the all-of-America response to coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), and will benefit high-risk populations and the general public with public service announcements (PSAs) around social distancing, personal hygiene, and mental health.



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Post#655 » by DingleJerry » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:24 pm

Continue to be amazed by peoples logic of "people die of other stuff too so this is no big deal and just let it happen". This is such a fundamentally stupid and unempathetic way of looking at things that it's not even worth discussing. These people will just never listen unless it happens to them or someone close to them.

Why was AIDS such a big deal? More people die of cancer. Why is cancer such a big deal? More people die of heart disease. Let's just let everyone die, you know, as long it's not me.
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Post#656 » by OkcSinceSGA » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:24 pm

LKN wrote:
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Ambrose wrote:
I've heard they may bump it to two $1,000 checks :wink:


Congress just signed it I believe, it's going to president's desk now. I hope you can ALSO get normal UI considering we pay into that fund every year. If so, both combined would give me $3,600, enough to at least pay my bills fully, with 500 ish for gas and food. I really hope there is a clause where you don't HAVE to be laid off for commission sales. Like my business is being murdered right now. I'm still not laid off, but my income has gone down by like 75% this month so far. So will their be an exception for people suffering pay/hours cuts to get in on this? I hope it's not just a very specific criteria of people.


That's not the current bill. The current bill is free testing, paid sick leave, FMLA, etc.


Ah. So it's two separate, maybe even competing bills? I believe the key difference here is with PSL+FMLA getting the employers to foot the bill vs the federal government just giving cash? IMO it would devastate employers and in this rare case, I'd prefer the federal government go further into debt (I know, not very conservative of me). I just think the damage to employers/businesses is already going to be immense.
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Post#657 » by SF_Warriors » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:25 pm

steger_3434 wrote:
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madmaxmedia wrote:For a couple of days the daily death count in Italy had slowly dropped (368, 349, 345), but 475 deaths reported today (in the 'Latest Updates', the graph hasn't been updated yet):
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/



300+ deaths a day in one country sounds insane to me..That's like 10,000 deaths in a month...average deaths in the US for the flu is like 16,000 annually..

Italy averages 640,000 deaths per year. That’s over 1700 deaths per day!!!! Without the coronavirus. People freak out about 400 deaths from this. People have a hard time comprehending huge numbers. Yes, 400 deaths from this per day is bad. But if you think 300 is insane did you think 1700 per day two months ago was insane as well?


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But that 300-400+ number is attributed to one thing (or combined with other ailments, but made prevalent with covid19)..What other disease/ailment kills 3-400 people a day in Italy? How many flu deaths are there in Italy per year? So one virus contributed to what equals to ~20% rate of annual deaths in Italy and you are not concerned?
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Post#658 » by OkcSinceSGA » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:26 pm

Angela Merkel: Since WWII there has never been a challenge for our country in which acting in solidarity was so very crucial">
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Post#659 » by mcmurphy » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:28 pm

steger_3434 wrote:
SF_Warriors wrote:
madmaxmedia wrote:For a couple of days the daily death count in Italy had slowly dropped (368, 349, 345), but 475 deaths reported today (in the 'Latest Updates', the graph hasn't been updated yet):
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/



300+ deaths a day in one country sounds insane to me..That's like 10,000 deaths in a month...average deaths in the US for the flu is like 16,000 annually..

Italy averages 640,000 deaths per year. That’s over 1700 deaths per day!!!! Without the coronavirus. People freak out about 400 deaths from this. People have a hard time comprehending huge numbers. Yes, 400 deaths from this per day is bad. But if you think 300 is insane did you think 1700 per day two months ago was insane as well?


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Post#660 » by Catchall » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:29 pm

SF_Warriors wrote:
madmaxmedia wrote:For a couple of days the daily death count in Italy had slowly dropped (368, 349, 345), but 475 deaths reported today (in the 'Latest Updates', the graph hasn't been updated yet):
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/


300+ deaths a day in one country sounds insane to me..That's like 10,000 deaths in a month...average deaths in the US for the flu is like 16,000 annually..


Apparently there were 80,000 flu deaths during the 17/18 flu season (2 years ago).

https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20180927/80000-americans-died-from-flu-last-year

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