Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[6ixSideSniper]

Great info. They've put the number out there. 2 million. That was the number projected by the CDC for an outbreak with a similar kill rate.

Now the onus has been dumped in the people. Don't listen and it's 2 million. What do you think is more likely?

At this point honestly nobody knows. As those data scientists say, we don't have a model yet but once we have a model that model probably won't be much helpful anyway (because it means we will have already passed the peak).

One thing I do know is, extending the lockdown to 4/30 helps reducing the total number.

The mechanism I see reducing the number is that as long as hospital systems aren't overwhelmed more people will be treated properly and can be saved. But with current treatment, those gains seem marginal.

I wonder how this will reduce the total significantly when this is pretty well impossible to get rid of completely and when lockdowns end, this will continue to ramp up.

To me, social distancing only serves to prolong.

From what I've read, getting a small viral load gives one a much better chance of experiencing mild to no symptoms. One of the reasons I wear a mask is because even though infection may be inevitable, a small viral load will make this as painless as possible. It also buys more time, in case there is a treatment protocol that actually works.

Everything now is speculation and everyone getting sick are guinea pigs at this point.

If your immune system is prone to a severe reaction i would think any exposure to the virus will onset this since its such a prolific virus. Im not a doctor though, someone please correct me if im wrong.

[zimpy27]

All these country numbers are great and all but the numbers that matter are occurring in counties/regions.


US number total will just keep rising as each of these counties pop off.

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[Gomagic44]

Not my quote but it makes the most sense to me. We need a good Public health system. Health is not private. Your health affects my health. We have a shared outcome. A Texans health affects a Floridians health affects a Tennessean.

We've gone about it all wrong. We have to change our outlook on public health.

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[LKN]

These states should permanently take away Hobby Lobby's business license. Seriously

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[Neutral 123]

Not my quote but it makes the most sense to me. We need a good Public health system. Health is not private. Your health affects my health. We have a shared outcome. A Texans health affects a Floridians health affects a Tennessean.

We've gone about it all wrong. We have to change our outlook on public health.

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There is a time for everything.

[Badonkadonk]

Not my quote but it makes the most sense to me. We need a good Public health system. Health is not private. Your health affects my health. We have a shared outcome. A Texans health affects a Floridians health affects a Tennessean.

We've gone about it all wrong. We have to change our outlook on public health.

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There is a time for everything.

It still blows my mind that the US spends more per capita on healthcare than any G7 nation but is the only one that is privatized. Where does all that money go, given how restricted access can be?

[Gomagic44]

Maybe the time is after we lose 200,000 fellow Americans?

Not my quote but it makes the most sense to me. We need a good Public health system. Health is not private. Your health affects my health. We have a shared outcome. A Texans health affects a Floridians health affects a Tennessean.

We've gone about it all wrong. We have to change our outlook on public health.

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There is a time for everything.

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

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Finally!

[e83pw2oa9hl5f]

Not my quote but it makes the most sense to me. We need a good Public health system. Health is not private. Your health affects my health. We have a shared outcome. A Texans health affects a Floridians health affects a Tennessean.

We've gone about it all wrong. We have to change our outlook on public health.

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There is a time for everything.

It still blows my mind that the US spends more per capita on healthcare than any G7 nation but is the only one that is privatized. Where does all that money go, given how restricted access can be?

It goes into creating forms. Form fillers. If you want less forms there are at least 5 forms for that. Quote from Psycho Sam from Hunt for the WIlderpoeple.

[Optimus_Steel]

Not my quote but it makes the most sense to me. We need a good Public health system. Health is not private. Your health affects my health. We have a shared outcome. A Texans health affects a Floridians health affects a Tennessean.

We've gone about it all wrong. We have to change our outlook on public health.

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Yes we need more of this. We are in this s*** together, it's time we realize that and put to rest decades of health insurance company propaganda. We needed a single payer system in normal times, we need it more in an emergency.

[bondom34]

Yeah, I mean everyone's situation is different and if you are in fact in a true quarantine it becomes more challenging, but there is still no excuse not to remain fairly healthy other than being lazy if we are holding ourselves to the least amount of accountability (granted, I had pulled pork hoagies for dinner and some ruffles after, so I get it lol). But for the many people like myself who have plenty of open nature (or at the very least places to walk without being with groups), there's 0 excuse not to get outside and maintain.

Agree here. I live right next to a rail trail, and get out normally anyway but it's been way busier lately. Is kinda nice working from home and just being able to go outside and walk or run if I want (but tbh I kinda liked it when I had it more to myself haha).

Don't people work out at home anymore? So many options available, even with little to no equipment. Good for keeping up a routine on rainy days. Also, you can work out at home without needing a mask. That said, some fresh air and sunshine is great, too. (She said, after slipping from her routine the last three days...).

Speaking of masks, it's been encouraging that so many people are wearing them now, though I've no idea where they're getting them from. So so hard to get.

People definitely do, today was a bit dreary here and it was less busy (which was nice for me!) and I have a Bowflex for strength training, but think people are more inclined to go out when they don't have the built in excuses. My parents said the Appalachian Trail is actually telling people they're not really supposed to even be there mostly.

[Optimus_Steel]

Not my quote but it makes the most sense to me. We need a good Public health system. Health is not private. Your health affects my health. We have a shared outcome. A Texans health affects a Floridians health affects a Tennessean.

We've gone about it all wrong. We have to change our outlook on public health.

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There is a time for everything.

It still blows my mind that the US spends more per capita on healthcare than any G7 nation but is the only one that is privatized. Where does all that money go, given how restricted access can be?

Let put this in perspective, we pay on average twice as much per person vs developed countries with universal healthcare do, yet before Coronavirus we had more than 25 million people that had zero health insurance coverage, ZERO (now with all the jobs losses and the loss of employer provided healthcare that giant figure is exploding in the middle of a pandemic, an utter disaster).

Some reasons for cost: Health insurance companies take a cut (they don't actually deliver healthcare they just pay for it, but it reality they do as much as they possibly can to pay as little as possible so they essentially restrict your care). Pharmaceuticals: ridiculously overpriced medication due to patents (designed to enrich the pharmaceutical firms by price gouging despite that the government invested public money in developing those same drugs). Giant healthcare provider networks (hospital chains that essentially buy out the competition and create a giant Monopoly all in the name of efficiency and profit maximizing). Tons of administrative work (bill coding, each insurance company has their own coding), sales and marketing expenses, etc. add to the already numerous and bloated expenses. This is a system not designed to keep the population healthy, but designed for shareholder value and wealth extraction.

[TheRealKaboom]

Not my quote but it makes the most sense to me. We need a good Public health system. Health is not private. Your health affects my health. We have a shared outcome. A Texans health affects a Floridians health affects a Tennessean.

We've gone about it all wrong. We have to change our outlook on public health.

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Yes we need more of this. We are in this s*** together, it's time we realize that and put to rest decades of health insurance company propaganda. We needed a single payer system in normal times, we need it more in an emergency.

Who is the single payer?

[ken6199]

Great info. They've put the number out there. 2 million. That was the number projected by the CDC for an outbreak with a similar kill rate.

Now the onus has been dumped in the people. Don't listen and it's 2 million. What do you think is more likely?

At this point honestly nobody knows. As those data scientists say, we don't have a model yet but once we have a model that model probably won't be much helpful anyway (because it means we will have already passed the peak).

One thing I do know is, extending the lockdown to 4/30 helps reducing the total number.

The mechanism I see reducing the number is that as long as hospital systems aren't overwhelmed more people will be treated properly and can be saved. But with current treatment, those gains seem marginal.

I wonder how this will reduce the total significantly when this is pretty well impossible to get rid of completely and when lockdowns end, this will continue to ramp up.

To me, social distancing only serves to prolong.

From what I've read, getting a small viral load gives one a much better chance of experiencing mild to no symptoms. One of the reasons I wear a mask is because even though infection may be inevitable, a small viral load will make this as painless as possible. It also buys more time, in case there is a treatment protocol that actually works.

Everything now is speculation and everyone getting sick are guinea pigs at this point.

The "small viral load" is both intriguing and dangerous. I am no doctor either so I cannot comment too much on this except the fact that even by wearing a mask (any type) it won't 100% protect you but at least it reduces the risk of you getting infected. That could be the difference between being sent to an ICU bed and getting some prescriptions and go home. This will help flatten the curve ie. buy us more time before the vaccine is developed and keep our healthcare system intact.

Now here is the silver lining - I hear people complain about ah it sucks we have to do this hygiene thing even after the lockdown is lifted or wear a mask more often especially when we go to crowded areas. Or maybe some level of social distancing. I say this can be a good thing going forward because it can lead to positive social behavioral change. Trying to keep social distance in a crowded public area isn't entirely a bad thing. The awareness of sanitizing your hands and or touching your face less is certainly a good thing. Wearing a mask more often will reduce not only COVID-19 but flu, regular cold, and a whole bunch of other contagious diseases. You don't feel well? Stay the fk at home. We don't just stop the good things we are doing through this pandemic and say oh well we battled we won we now go back to square one. I believe this is part of continuous evolution of our society.

Granted I am a big believer of wearing masks. I think attitude masks for workout are cool, and rapping with a mask on is bad ass. Maybe we fully enter the mask era like how NBA transitioned into long shorts and cornrows, who knows.

[Optimus_Steel]

Not my quote but it makes the most sense to me. We need a good Public health system. Health is not private. Your health affects my health. We have a shared outcome. A Texans health affects a Floridians health affects a Tennessean.

We've gone about it all wrong. We have to change our outlook on public health.

Sent from my HD1900 using RealGM mobile app

Yes we need more of this. We are in this s*** together, it's time we realize that and put to rest decades of health insurance company propaganda. We needed a single payer system in normal times, we need it more in an emergency.

Who is the single payer?

The Federal government essentially would be the entity paying for healthcare insurance coverage covering every citizen, instead of what we have now of which is a cobweb/patchwork of numerous for profit health insurance companies.

[Appwrangler]

Don't people work out at home anymore? So many options available, even with little to no equipment. Good for keeping up a routine on rainy days. Also, you can work out at home without needing a mask. That said, some fresh air and sunshine is great, too. (She said, after slipping from her routine the last three days...).

Speaking of masks, it's been encouraging that so many people are wearing them now, though I've no idea where they're getting them from. So so hard to get.

Regular surgical masks are available on Amazon (albeit with some longer delivery times)

I will keep looking. Good to know, thanks.

Be sure to check the reviews. I don’t see any surgical masks, with a woven layer. Only cheap knockoffs with the buzz phrase “3 layers”, though not surgical masks. You’ll see lots of complaints in the reviews unless these are new listings, another red flag. I don’t see any legit surgical masks there.

[DowJones]

Yes we need more of this. We are in this s*** together, it's time we realize that and put to rest decades of health insurance company propaganda. We needed a single payer system in normal times, we need it more in an emergency.

Who is the single payer?

The Federal government

[Gomagic44]

To add onto this, our country has a form of all 3 types. Medicare and Medicaid are a single payer system. The doctors and providers are private, but the payer is the government. In the military we have Tricare, which is a form of socialized medicine. Think of the VA hospitals. The only payer is the government and all employees in the system work for the government. The rest of us get the private market where we "choose" our health provider and level of care. PPOs and HMO. Usually in an employer provided program. The payer is your employer(but you are docked pay for the plan). The idea being that the larger pool lowers the cost compared to the individual buyer.


It's a crapshoot that most of us don't have the time or patience to navigate and so we end up with whatever our employer has(usually the cheapest available).

We have the best healthcare in the world. Small caveat, you most likely aren't getting that level of care.

Yes we need more of this. We are in this s*** together, it's time we realize that and put to rest decades of health insurance company propaganda. We needed a single payer system in normal times, we need it more in an emergency.

Who is the single payer?

The Federal government essentially would be the entity paying for healthcare insurance coverage covering every citizen, instead of what we have now of which is a cobweb/patchwork of numerous for profit health insurance companies.

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[6ixSideSniper]

At this point honestly nobody knows. As those data scientists say, we don't have a model yet but once we have a model that model probably won't be much helpful anyway (because it means we will have already passed the peak).

One thing I do know is, extending the lockdown to 4/30 helps reducing the total number.

The mechanism I see reducing the number is that as long as hospital systems aren't overwhelmed more people will be treated properly and can be saved. But with current treatment, those gains seem marginal.

I wonder how this will reduce the total significantly when this is pretty well impossible to get rid of completely and when lockdowns end, this will continue to ramp up.

To me, social distancing only serves to prolong.

From what I've read, getting a small viral load gives one a much better chance of experiencing mild to no symptoms. One of the reasons I wear a mask is because even though infection may be inevitable, a small viral load will make this as painless as possible. It also buys more time, in case there is a treatment protocol that actually works.

Everything now is speculation and everyone getting sick are guinea pigs at this point.

The "small viral load" is both intriguing and dangerous. I am no doctor either so I cannot comment too much on this except the fact that even by wearing a mask (any type) it won't 100% protect you but at least it reduces the risk of you getting infected. That could be the difference between being sent to an ICU bed and getting some prescriptions and go home. This will help flatten the curve ie. buy us more time before the vaccine is developed and keep our healthcare system intact.

Now here is the silver lining - I hear people complain about ah it sucks we have to do this hygiene thing even after the lockdown is lifted or wear a mask more often especially when we go to crowded areas. Or maybe some level of social distancing. I say this can be a good thing going forward because it can lead to positive social behavioral change. Trying to keep social distance in a crowded public area isn't entirely a bad thing. The awareness of sanitizing your hands and or touching your face less is certainly a good thing. Wearing a mask more often will reduce not only COVID-19 but flu, regular cold, and a whole bunch of other contagious diseases. You don't feel well? Stay the fk at home. We don't just stop the good things we are doing through this pandemic and say oh well we battled we won we now go back to square one. I believe this is part of continuous evolution of our society.

Granted I am a big believer of wearing masks. I think attitude masks for workout are cool, and rapping with a mask on is bad ass. Maybe we fully enter the mask era like how NBA transitioned into long shorts and cornrows, who knows.

Im willing to bet face masks will be discouraged once the pandemic is over. Its too much of a headache for law enforcement when society returns to normal.