2022-23 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.1)

[BoatsNZones]

EPM update after tonight's games (my favorite 'catch all' stat of recent years since RPM **** the bed on their formula). Obviously role/context matters as with all catch-all stats.
https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

1. Curry (8.9)
2. Luka (8.5)

3. KD (6.9)
4. Jokic (6.0)
5. SGA (5.8)
5. Tatum 5.8)


10. Embiid (5.1)

12. Giannis (5.0)

[Oscar9992]

EPM update after tonight's games (my favorite 'catch all' stat of recent years since RPM **** the bed on their formula). Obviously role/context matters as with all catch-all stats.
https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

1. Curry (9.0)
2. Luka (8.2)

3. KD (6.8)
4. SGA (6.6)
5. Tatum (6.2)
6. Jokic (5.9)

8. Giannis (5.6)

13. Embiid (5.0)

Updated: Curry - 8.9; Luka - 8.5

[Oscar9992]

NBA RPM Leaders as for 19.11.2022:

1. Luka Doncic - 9.82
2. Stephen Curry - 8.88
3. Jayson Tatum - 8.30
4. Nikola Jokic - 6.63
5. Giannis Antetokounmpo - 6.25

[BoatsNZones]

EPM update after tonight's games (my favorite 'catch all' stat of recent years since RPM **** the bed on their formula). Obviously role/context matters as with all catch-all stats.
https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

1. Curry (9.0)
2. Luka (8.2)

3. KD (6.8)
4. SGA (6.6)
5. Tatum (6.2)
6. Jokic (5.9)

8. Giannis (5.6)

13. Embiid (5.0)

Updated: Curry - 8.9; Luka - 8.5

I did actually just update them all. They were a little behind.

[Exp0sed]

EPM update after tonight's games (my favorite 'catch all' stat of recent years since RPM **** the bed on their formula). Obviously role/context matters as with all catch-all stats.
https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

1. Curry (9.0)
2. Luka (8.2)

3. KD (6.8)
4. SGA (6.6)
5. Tatum (6.2)
6. Jokic (5.9)

8. Giannis (5.6)

13. Embiid (5.0)

Updated: Curry - 8.9; Luka - 8.5

Usually this stuff is crap but this actually matches the eye test perfectly

Curry and Luka have been the best players in the league thus far

Not saying Curry can sustain this level of offense at 35 (that'd be bonkers!)
But so far..hell yeah

Doncic is playing 37 mpg (career high), taking more shots, smashing his career high in fg% despite shooting just 29% (career low) from 3 (also bonkers)

He is also getting 11.5 fta per game and conveting a career high from the stripe

And yeah, his rebounds and assists are down a bit but he cleaned up his To's somewhat all while playing noticeably better defense and even averaging over 2 steals a game!

Rn it's those two by a country mile with Luka getting the nod due to team record and literally improving on all areas he needed improvment in

He's 24 damn..we really might get a goat season out of him when he's like 26-27

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[BoatsNZones]

"RAPTOR" seems to have a very faulty defensive metric (which gives me pause on their metric as a whole), but Curry/Luka have the two highest Offensive ratings on their record this season (includes Curry '16, which would be 3rd just about even with Luka this season). Granted, Curry significantly ahead right now. Don't imagine he could keep this up all season or that his volume is good for the Warriors if he has to, but we'll see. Luka I think may have to for them right now.

[Purch]

Embiid's last 3 games have really shot him up in my mvp rankings. Especially with him pushing the undermanned sixers to 3 straight wins and a winning record. Over the last 3 games he's averaging 44.3 PPG/10.6 RPG/7.3 APG/4 BPG/1.3 SPG on 56% shooting.

If he continues to dominate and lead Philly to wins, he'll be firmly in my top 3

[SpreeS]

Nice race for MVP title this year

Jokic, Giannis, Tatum, Doncic, Curry and Embiid

All in place

Also I dont write off KD

[Archx]

Translation: I have no idea how statistics work.

Every statistic without context can be interpreted however you like. Just like people throwing out NETrtg and +/- like it's the ONLY be all stat to measure someone's importance on the team. You guys are trying to portray like Doncic has no real impact on Mavs. I just wanted to show you with what kind of personal he has to work with for most of the game. If you didn't at least try to understand what my point is and it doesn't fit your narrative, i guess you can say i have no clue how it works. But then again, results speak for themselves.

You have to be one of the worst player stans I have ever seen on here, it's embarrassing. Feels like arguing with you is talking about something dumb and just getting beaten by experience. It's not the only stat, but it's the main viable one that shows how a team does when a player is off the court. You can ignore it or look at something else because you don't like the results, just make sure you do it in a Mavs echo chamber so you can have everyone agree with your nonsense there.

Great argument. Cant write anything intelligent so lets do a personal attack. I have seen you write dumb things before about Mavs and i didnt respond, then i showed you how their team looks in general and now im the worst fan when i respond once or twice and you disagree, lmao.

[Sgt Major]

I’m convinced that Denver will never win a game again where Jokic does not play. Sort of serious.

It's incredible, really.

Just imagine him with an All-Star teammate or two. They would be steamrolling the whole league year after year.

[Oscar9992]

NBA RPM Leaders as for 18.11.2022:

1. Luka Doncic - 9.82
2. Stephen Curry - 8.88
3. Jayson Tatum - 8.30
4. Nikola Jokic - 6.63
5. Giannis Antetokounmpo - 6.25

Updated (19.11.2022):

1. Luka Doncic - 10.02
2. Stephen Curry - 8.89
3. Jayson Tatum - 8.36
4. Nikola Jokic - 6.70
5. Giannis Antetokounmpo - 6.16

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm

[nikster]

Translation: I have no idea how statistics work.

Every statistic without context can be interpreted however you like. Just like people throwing out NETrtg and +/- like it's the ONLY be all stat to measure someone's importance on the team. You guys are trying to portray like Doncic has no real impact on Mavs. I just wanted to show you with what kind of personal he has to work with for most of the game. If you didn't at least try to understand what my point is and it doesn't fit your narrative, i guess you can say i have no clue how it works. But then again, results speak for themselves.

You have to be one of the worst player stans I have ever seen on here, it's embarrassing. Feels like arguing with you is talking about something dumb and just getting beaten by experience. It's not the only stat, but it's the main viable one that shows how a team does when a player is off the court. You can ignore it or look at something else because you don't like the results, just make sure you do it in a Mavs echo chamber so you can have everyone agree with your nonsense there.

Net rating has very real flaws that he correctly pointed out. Warriors bench is a dumpster fire and Mavs move some talented players to the bench to balance out the line up's. That would definetly impact net rating.

If I want to take on/off at face value, Kevon Looney is the most impactful player in the Warriors. You can ignore it or look at something else because you don't like the results

[Infinite Llamas]

Weird that Giannis is leading this poll as he hasn’t played at anything resembling an MVP level in 3 weeks now. I’ve long wondered what his game would look like when his athleticism would wane or all the beatings he takes really starts to accumulate. If those knee issues are chronic than his career after his prime might not look too pretty.

[Exp0sed]

Weird that Giannis is leading this poll as he hasn’t played at anything resembling an MVP level in 3 weeks now. I’ve long wondered what his game would look like when his athleticism would wane or all the beatings he takes really starts to accumulate. If those knee issues are chronic than his career after his prime might not look too pretty.

He came out of the gate really strong, was the clear early front runner
Thus the votes



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[eyeatoma]

Weird that Giannis is leading this poll as he hasn’t played at anything resembling an MVP level in 3 weeks now. I’ve long wondered what his game would look like when his athleticism would wane or all the beatings he takes really starts to accumulate. If those knee issues are chronic than his career after his prime might not look too pretty.

People are just ready to given Giannis a 3rd MVP. Rightly so, he had them well placed the first 1.5 weeks of the league, and he was dominating. I agree about his current knee issues which been plagueing him over the last 3-4 years.

IMO MVP right now is

Luka
Tatum/Embiid

If Embiid continues to play like this fo rthe next month I think he overtakes, especialy with Harden and Maxey out right now.

[ty 4191]

I’m convinced that Denver will never win a game again where Jokic does not play. Sort of serious.

It's incredible, really.

Just imagine him with an All-Star teammate or two. They would be steamrolling the whole league year after year.

11-20 without him in his career (.355 winning percentage).

Here's an amazing article about Jokic's passing abilities. As early as January, 2017, he was increasing his teammates' FG% by 14 percentage points. Nobody else in the NBA was over 10%, and, his passing has certainly improved since then.

https://nbamath.com/the-nbas-most-efficient-passers/

[ty 4191]

Weird that Giannis is leading this poll as he hasn’t played at anything resembling an MVP level in 3 weeks now. I’ve long wondered what his game would look like when his athleticism would wane or all the beatings he takes really starts to accumulate. If those knee issues are chronic than his career after his prime might not look too pretty.

The poll needs to be restarted.

[ty 4191]

People are just ready to given Giannis a 3rd MVP. Rightly so, he had them well placed the first 1.5 weeks of the league, and he was dominating. I agree about his current knee issues which been plagueing him over the last 3-4 years.

IMO MVP right now is

Luka
Tatum/Embiid

If Embiid continues to play like this fo rthe next month I think he overtakes, especialy with Harden and Maxey out right now.

Which metrics are you basing this on, specifically?

[CharityStripe34]

Weird that Giannis is leading this poll as he hasn’t played at anything resembling an MVP level in 3 weeks now. I’ve long wondered what his game would look like when his athleticism would wane or all the beatings he takes really starts to accumulate. If those knee issues are chronic than his career after his prime might not look too pretty.

Up until about two weeks ago he was playing like Superman. And showing a ton of patience and floor-leadership. With guys like Middleton, Holiday (until last night), Connaughton and Allen missing from the lineup things just caught up with Milwaukee, schedule wise. Plus, I'm betting the untimely death of Middleton's father recently hasn't helped. As well as being out last week for a sore left knee, then twisting his ankle against Cleveland. He's certainly in a mental slump at the FT line the last few games. Last night was bizarre. He was great in the first half, then looked like the Space Jam aliens stole his mojo in the second half.

I trust he'll get back on track soon. I don't think he's suddenly turning into old-man Duncan before his 28th birthday.

[Archx]

I’m convinced that Denver will never win a game again where Jokic does not play. Sort of serious.

It's incredible, really.

Just imagine him with an All-Star teammate or two. They would be steamrolling the whole league year after year.

You may be on to something. Even Mavs players on bench trying "to help" Denver on offense.

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