Woj: Harden Opting into $35.6M Player Option and Demanding Trade from Philly; Wants to Play for the Clippers

[Roscoe Sheed]

Do the Clippers even want Harden ? He's on a noticeable decline & has jumped 3 unsuccessful situations that should have been more successful than they were.

I think they do as long as the price isn't too steep- like Powell, Morris, and Covington. I'd be reluctant to part with younger players like Mann, Hyland, and Brown. Harden could definitely help them in terms of facilitating and he can still score. However, his age and lack of fitness are a concern. He now struggles to beat his man off the dribble.

How do you see/project his game/skillset fitting with PG & Kawhi ?

Will he be a complimentary piece/role player/off ball shooter or is he going to spend a good amount of time on ball ?

Since he is a better playmaker than both of them, I see him as a facilitating point guard type. Since Westbrook struggles off the ball, I’d try to stagger their minutes as much as possible

[JustBuzzin]

No wonder Harden and KD are still single. These dudes aren't comfortable staying in a committed relationship. They leave for the pretty girl every time.

[Pointgod]

How much can Philly ask for a guy who can't sign an extension and they didn't want to pay themselves.

He would be absolutely perfect for the Raptors but just can't see it happening.

Exactly. Harden is a one year contract that has to be resigned with cap space. No team should overpay for Harden

[Mak]

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Sixers do not want what Clippers are offering, Clippers dont seem to be that crazy about Harden. What will Harden do? Not play, make up an injury? Just play badly like he did in Houston.

Embiid had so much bad luck so far, injuries during playoffs and then Ben Simmons drama and now Harden. Another lost year.

[The High Cyde]

He’s gonna start dogging it with Philly. Just trade the dude. At least Embiid will have teammates that want to be there.

[ken6199]

No wonder Harden and KD are still single. These dudes aren't comfortable staying in a committed relationship. They leave for the pretty girl every time.

It's pretty interesting league out there. If you stay people say "this guy only wants the money". If you go out and chase for winning situations people say "this guy has no loyalty". Only if you stay and win (at least once), like Dirk, Kobe, Steph, they say this one man one city stuff. Now other than loyalty we are bringing marriage into this. It's quite mind opening really.

In real life even for a steady two decade long marriage people have different opinions. The progressive guys will say, this guy should go find his true love instead of getting stuck in a responsibility only marriage and be less happy. They want him to let it go, and say that's better for everyone. Then of course you have the other ones who are super diehard on committing to everything, marriage, job, or whatever.

Oh yeah talking about marriage here. Like there is a bible on marriage with 2000 bullet points telling us what to do and what not.

[JustBuzzin]

No wonder Harden and KD are still single. These dudes aren't comfortable staying in a committed relationship. They leave for the pretty girl every time.

It's pretty interesting league out there. If you stay people say "this guy only wants the money". If you go out and chase for winning situations people say "this guy has no loyalty". Only if you stay and win (at least once), like Dirk, Kobe, Steph, they say this one man one city stuff. Now other than loyalty we are bringing marriage into this. It's quite mind opening really.

In real life even for a steady two decade long marriage people have different opinions. The progressive guys will say, this guy should go find his true love instead of getting stuck in a responsibility only marriage and be less happy. They want him to let it go, and say that's better for everyone. Then of course you have the other ones who are super diehard on committing to everything, marriage, job, or whatever.

Oh yeah talking about marriage here. Like there is a bible on marriage with 2000 bullet points telling us what to do and what not.

You can't be a FA every other year. These dudes just jumping from city to city while still under contract. Even Lebron waited till after he finished out his contracts before he left.

[madmaxmedia]

No wonder Harden and KD are still single. These dudes aren't comfortable staying in a committed relationship. They leave for the pretty girl every time.

It's pretty interesting league out there. If you stay people say "this guy only wants the money". If you go out and chase for winning situations people say "this guy has no loyalty". Only if you stay and win (at least once), like Dirk, Kobe, Steph, they say this one man one city stuff. Now other than loyalty we are bringing marriage into this. It's quite mind opening really.

In real life even for a steady two decade long marriage people have different opinions. The progressive guys will say, this guy should go find his true love instead of getting stuck in a responsibility only marriage and be less happy. They want him to let it go, and say that's better for everyone. Then of course you have the other ones who are super diehard on committing to everything, marriage, job, or whatever.

Oh yeah talking about marriage here. Like there is a bible on marriage with 2000 bullet points telling us what to do and what not.

Didn't you get the memo, everybody sucks.

[madmaxmedia]

He’s gonna start dogging it with Philly. Just trade the dude. At least Embiid will have teammates that want to be there.

While I should love for the Clippers to trade for Harden on the cheap, I don't like when these situations arise. It's bad vibes all around, and just not good for the sport. I think it is to his long term benefit to work hard even if he's not traded at the start of the season, whether he wants to be in Philly or not.

I guess we'll see what kind of shape he's in when training camp starts.

[Ballerhogger]

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Sixers do not want what Clippers are offering, Clippers dont seem to be that crazy about Harden. What will Harden do? Not play, make up an injury? Just play badly like he did in Houston.

Embiid had so much bad luck so far, injuries during playoffs and then Ben Simmons drama and now Harden. Another lost year.

Fat suit is coming !!!

[Ballerhogger]

No wonder Harden and KD are still single. These dudes aren't comfortable staying in a committed relationship. They leave for the pretty girl every time.

It's pretty interesting league out there. If you stay people say "this guy only wants the money". If you go out and chase for winning situations people say "this guy has no loyalty". Only if you stay and win (at least once), like Dirk, Kobe, Steph, they say this one man one city stuff. Now other than loyalty we are bringing marriage into this. It's quite mind opening really.

In real life even for a steady two decade long marriage people have different opinions. The progressive guys will say, this guy should go find his true love instead of getting stuck in a responsibility only marriage and be less happy. They want him to let it go, and say that's better for everyone. Then of course you have the other ones who are super diehard on committing to everything, marriage, job, or whatever.

Oh yeah talking about marriage here. Like there is a bible on marriage with 2000 bullet points telling us what to do and what not.

James harden in particular is never getting married the one smart choice you can say he’s made .

[JordansBulls]

Harden for Lavine.

[Ballerhogger]

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Sixers do not want what Clippers are offering, Clippers dont seem to be that crazy about Harden. What will Harden do? Not play, make up an injury? Just play badly like he did in Houston.

Embiid had so much bad luck so far, injuries during playoffs and then Ben Simmons drama and now Harden. Another lost year.

This on morey he should be fired if they can’t get to ECF

[Ballerhogger]

Harden for Lavine.

Are you not bulls fan?

[One Last Shot]

How much can Philly ask for a guy who can't sign an extension and they didn't want to pay themselves.

He would be absolutely perfect for the Raptors but just can't see it happening.

Exactly. Harden is a one year contract that has to be resigned with cap space. No team should overpay for Harden

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the team who will trade for Harden will get his bird rights and doesn't need cap space to sign him next season, he can't just sign a new contract until the end of the year because he opts in to his 2 year contract that restrict him to sign any contract extension during the season even wtih Sixers.

[TheNG]

Kind of poetic justice.
The 76ers got Harden undeservingly for a player with almost negative value (Simmons). So now Harden does the same trick but this time the 76ers are on the losing side.

[clippertown]

Kind of poetic justice.
The 76ers got Harden undeservingly for a player with almost negative value (Simmons). So now Harden does the same trick but this time the 76ers are on the losing side.

This is exactly right. Morey sold Simmons to Brooklyn knowing full well that his mental and back problems were severe - he sold the Nets a lemon, plain and simple and demanded top dollar. It’s hard to feel sympathy for what appears to be true poetic justice.

[HotRocks34]

Harden can help the Clips and he fits. But it'll be interesting to see what they have to give up if they get him. Mann?

Westbrook played really well for LAC last year but he can't shoot. Harden can shoot. So that would help with spacing.

LAC's biggest weakness, or one of the main ones (besides health) the last few years, has been getting real point guard play. If Harden starts and Russ comes off the bench, that's handled.

Morris sucks now, IMO. I'd try to move on from him if I could.

Speculative depth chart if they get Harden and lose Mann


JH*.....RW.......BH
PG......NP.......AC
KL......___......KB#
RC?.....NB......MM.....KMJ*
IZ.......MP......___


The biggest thing for me will be who plays backup SF? Maybe they dump Hyland and or Morris to help out there (if they don't have to dump them to get Harden).

[76thBearCub]

Kind of poetic justice.
The 76ers got Harden undeservingly for a player with almost negative value (Simmons). So now Harden does the same trick but this time the 76ers are on the losing side.

This is exactly right. Morey sold Simmons to Brooklyn knowing full well that his mental and back problems were severe - he sold the Nets a lemon, plain and simple and demanded top dollar. It’s hard to feel sympathy for what appears to be true poetic justice.

Except hes not going to take back a big crappy contract. So it's not much the same.

[HardenGoat]