2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 3: Son of daughter of MVP thread)

[MoneyTalks41890]

21 FT’s again tonight for SGA. That’s more than 9 teams shot total tonight. He’s an incredible talent and he’s going to win MVP, but I’m never going to be able to fully enjoy watching him play because he’s the biggest foul-baiter in the league and I just really don’t enjoy that style of play. Just like I don’t enjoy watching Trae Young flop and foul-bait every game and I’ve never liked watching Harden do the same thing. It’s just not enjoyable to me personally. But to each their own.

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In my view it’s actually ok to call fouls. And drawing contact is and always has been a skill. Making your free throws, also a skill.

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[ITYSL]

In my view it’s actually ok to call fouls. And drawing contact is and always has been a skill. Making your free throws, also a skill.

He's an incredible player who is also an egregious foul baiter. It's not as fun to watch him when he does that. That said, there's been a bit too much hand-wringing about Shai's FTs (I'm guilty of it too). His FTr is down from last season, which was down from the season before. He's not getting as many calls as he used to.

[MMyhre]

Jokic 17 6 6 on 15 shots. Prime Richie Guerin over here.

[Special_Puppy]

Big night for the "OKC would still make the playoffs without SGA" crowd. Sure they would.

How games do you think the Thunder would win without SGA out of curiousity?

[Special_Puppy]

Jokic was trash tonight... why are we supposed to vote for someone on a team down the standings? Just because he puts up big offensive stats?

Jokic haters taking advantage of the 3 games they get per season i see.

I like Jokic. Just don't like people who think he can do no wrong. Guy has been trash on D lately.

Jokic gets no criticism for his defense you are right. Not like it’s not the number 1 criticism of Jokic for several years now

[Special_Puppy]

Jokic was trash tonight... why are we supposed to vote for someone on a team down the standings? Just because he puts up big offensive stats?

Because you think he’s been the most valuable player over the course of the season because of his amazing traditional and advanced stats? Same reason someone would vote for SGA

[RRR3]

Jokic would win offensive MVP this year for sure. But his defense eeeeeeyuck

[Special_Puppy]

Jokic would win offensive MVP this year for sure. But his defense eeeeeeyuck

Again. Why are we acting like criticism of Jokic's defense is some novel or bold thing lol.

[Big J]

Jokic was trash tonight... why are we supposed to vote for someone on a team down the standings? Just because he puts up big offensive stats?

Because you think he’s been the most valuable player over the course of the season because of his amazing traditional and advanced stats? Same reason someone would vote for SGA

SGA has his team in 1st place in the standings and he's playing great on BOTH sides of the floor. Standings and narrative have traditionally played a big role in who wins MVP. SGA has both of those going for him.

[Special_Puppy]

Jokic was trash tonight... why are we supposed to vote for someone on a team down the standings? Just because he puts up big offensive stats?

Because you think he’s been the most valuable player over the course of the season because of his amazing traditional and advanced stats? Same reason someone would vote for SGA

SGA has his team in 1st place in the standings and he's playing great on BOTH sides of the floor. Standings and narrative have traditionally played a big role in who wins MVP. SGA has both of those going for him.

How much of the difference in team performance do you think is because SGA has been more valuable than Jokic this season vs SGA's supporting cast has been better than Jokic's?

[Big J]

Jokic would win offensive MVP this year for sure. But his defense eeeeeeyuck

Again. Why are we acting like criticism of Jokic's defense is some novel or bold thing lol.

Because a lot of people act like Jokic had no flaws. It's not just a criticism, it's a big negative in his game. Half of the game is on defense, and Center typically shoulders a bigger load of the defensive responsibilities.

[RRR3]

Jokic was trash tonight... why are we supposed to vote for someone on a team down the standings? Just because he puts up big offensive stats?

Because you think he’s been the most valuable player over the course of the season because of his amazing traditional and advanced stats? Same reason someone would vote for SGA

SGA has his team in 1st place in the standings and he's playing great on BOTH sides of the floor. Standings and narrative have traditionally played a big role in who wins MVP. SGA has both of those going for him.

Not to mention he's doing about as well as Jokic in all the "nerd stats". Jokic really doesn't have a clear case here, he certainly has an argument, but not enough of one to say it's wrong to give it to SGA.

[Big J]

Because you think he’s been the most valuable player over the course of the season because of his amazing traditional and advanced stats? Same reason someone would vote for SGA

SGA has his team in 1st place in the standings and he's playing great on BOTH sides of the floor. Standings and narrative have traditionally played a big role in who wins MVP. SGA has both of those going for him.

How much of the difference in team performance do you think is because SGA has been more valuable than Jokic this season vs SGA's supporting cast has been better than Jokic's?

That doesn't really matter that much historically. Usually MVP goes to the best guy on one of the top 4 teams. If you are down the standings as far as the nuggets you have to be WAAYYY better than the other top candidates, and Jokic simply hasn't because of his defense.

[RRR3]

SGA has his team in 1st place in the standings and he's playing great on BOTH sides of the floor. Standings and narrative have traditionally played a big role in who wins MVP. SGA has both of those going for him.

How much of the difference in team performance do you think is because SGA has been more valuable than Jokic this season vs SGA's supporting cast has been better than Jokic's?

That doesn't really matter that much historically. Usually MVP goes to the best guy on one of the top 4 teams. If you are down the standings as far as the nuggets you have to be WAAYYY better than the other top candidates, and Jokic simply hasn't because of his defense.

SGA is pretty close to Jokic in offensive impact according to the data as well, so although I definitely favor Jokic if we're just talking offense, it's crazy how great SGA has been.

[Special_Puppy]

SGA has his team in 1st place in the standings and he's playing great on BOTH sides of the floor. Standings and narrative have traditionally played a big role in who wins MVP. SGA has both of those going for him.

How much of the difference in team performance do you think is because SGA has been more valuable than Jokic this season vs SGA's supporting cast has been better than Jokic's?

That doesn't really matter that much historically. Usually MVP goes to the best guy on one of the top 4 teams. If you are down the standings as far as the nuggets you have to be WAAYYY better than the other top candidates, and Jokic simply hasn't because of his defense.

Why should we care about the difference in team result *IF* we think that the difference is basically entirely due to the difference in supporting casts?

[Special_Puppy]

How much of the difference in team performance do you think is because SGA has been more valuable than Jokic this season vs SGA's supporting cast has been better than Jokic's?

That doesn't really matter that much historically. Usually MVP goes to the best guy on one of the top 4 teams. If you are down the standings as far as the nuggets you have to be WAAYYY better than the other top candidates, and Jokic simply hasn't because of his defense.

SGA is pretty close to Jokic in offensive impact according to the data as well, so although I definitely favor Jokic if we're just talking offense, it's crazy how great SGA has been.

SGA has a great case for MVP and the strongest arguments for SGA have nothing to do with record

[Big J]

How much of the difference in team performance do you think is because SGA has been more valuable than Jokic this season vs SGA's supporting cast has been better than Jokic's?

That doesn't really matter that much historically. Usually MVP goes to the best guy on one of the top 4 teams. If you are down the standings as far as the nuggets you have to be WAAYYY better than the other top candidates, and Jokic simply hasn't because of his defense.

Why should we care about the difference in team result *IF* we think that the difference is basically entirely due to the difference in supporting casts?

Because MVP's should also be great leaders. Great leaders inspire their supporting casts to play harder for the team. Teammates aren't just robots.

[Special_Puppy]

That doesn't really matter that much historically. Usually MVP goes to the best guy on one of the top 4 teams. If you are down the standings as far as the nuggets you have to be WAAYYY better than the other top candidates, and Jokic simply hasn't because of his defense.

Why should we care about the difference in team result *IF* we think that the difference is basically entirely due to the difference in supporting casts?

Because MVP's should also be great leaders. Great leaders inspire their supporting casts to play harder for the team. Teammates aren't just robots.

Dude thinks this is Remember the Titans

[RRR3]

Why should we care about the difference in team result *IF* we think that the difference is basically entirely due to the difference in supporting casts?

Because MVP's should also be great leaders. Great leaders inspire their supporting casts to play harder for the team. Teammates aren't just robots.

Dude thinks this is Remember the Titans

Jokic sure does, that's why he only plays one end of the court.

[Special_Puppy]

Because MVP's should also be great leaders. Great leaders inspire their supporting casts to play harder for the team. Teammates aren't just robots.

Dude thinks this is Remember the Titans

Jokic sure does, that's why he only plays one end of the court.

That's a good jab ngl