MVP discussion thread

[Shv3d]

So far my top 5; Below w/ Stats

LeBron; 25ppg on 58%, 5.8rpg and 6.8apg

Paul G; 24ppg on 46%, 6.2rpg and 3.2 apg

CP3; 19ppg on 45%, 2.4 spg and 12 apg

Kevin Love; 24ppg on 46%, 12rpg and 4.5apg

Kevin Durant; 28ppg on 45%, 7rpg and 5.2apg

As of now I have it;
1. Love
2. Durant
3. LeBron
4. CP3
5. PG

Love and Durant over Lebron?

Am I missing something...lol. They're doing good but neither their stats or record is better.

These stats aren't up to date either. I don't know how anyone could not have LeBron in the lead.

[Darkstar77]

Seriously I can't understand how somebody as great as Lebron keeps getting better. He is the ULTIMATE in what you want in a player. Gifted athlete, strong, doesn't get injuries (serious injuries), and work ethic. People said he needed a jumper. He worked hard and got one. People said he needed a post game. He worked hard and got one. How he's not first on everyone's MVP list is beyond me.

This is as big as a Lebron nuthugging post as you can get, but he's been that good and getting even better. He's set himself up to when he's older and not as athletic he'll still dominate.

[big_ticket]

PG24 is one of the overpaid guys in the league,just benefiting on hibberts play

Wow, just wow.

Have you even watched a Pacers game this season? He is clearly the 2nd best SF in the league behind Durant.

yeah i always watched PG24 played,how many shots did he take against melo last couple of games to get 30+?
espn hypes paul george just like j-will in sacto,PG24 cant even guard melo 1 on 1

bron is more efficient scorer,better passer,better at everything

[daschysta]

PG24 is one of the overpaid guys in the league,just benefiting on hibberts play

Wow, just wow.

Have you even watched a Pacers game this season? He is clearly the 2nd best SF in the league behind Durant.

yeah i always watched PG24 played,how many shots did he take against melo last couple of games to get 30+?
espn hypes paul george just like j-will in sacto,PG24 cant even guard melo 1 on 1

bron is more efficient scorer,better passer,better at everything

jwill? Wtf? He has great stats, 24+ on 60% TS along with his elite d. He's easily been better than Melo this year. You say how many shots did he need to get 35? Check out how many shots melo needed to get 30... Noone claims he's better than LBJ.

[boateng]

It would be travesty if Lebron doesn't win it. He's like soooooo good. Acknowledging that Durant and CP3 are playing at all time great level but it sometimes feels they are like a tier or even 2 below what Lebron is doing.

61-49-80 on 70%TS and while he is taking good shots they ain't all layups. He's been mediocre defensively (for his high standard) this year while being absolute GOAT/BOAT-tier offensively so far.

its not for best player
its more valuable

i think paul geroge deserves it so far....

[xStanton27]

Lebron 11-14 last night for 35 points


35 points on 14 shots

11/11 from Free throw. The guy's game has no weaknesses.

[NBA4EVA2010]

Current top 10 in scoring (excluding FT's):


1. Lebron James - 21.9ppg
2. Kevin Love - 20.1ppg
3. Carmelo Anthony - 20.1ppg
4. Lamarcus Aldridge - 19.6ppg
5. Blake Griffin - 18.9ppg
5. Klay Thompson - 18.9ppg
7. Kevin Martin - 18.3ppg
7. Paul George - 18.3ppg
7. Kevin Durant - 18.3ppg
10. Bradley Beal - 18.1ppg

How's that relevant?

just shows who gets buckets without depending on ft's

[litex]

Lebron's still at a 70% true shooting percentage. If he actually manages to maintain that for a season, this is going to go down as one of the all time great scoring seasons.

[Ettorefm]

Lebron's still at a 70% true shooting percentage. If he actually manages to maintain that for a season, this is going to go down as one of the all time great scoring seasons.

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Again Just to see how amazing he is. Every season we say that he's going to the record books for his seasons. And he gets better
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LBJ is the MVP right now, with Paul, George and Love right behind him

[MaliBrah]

It would be travesty if Lebron doesn't win it. He's like soooooo good. Acknowledging that Durant and CP3 are playing at all time great level but it sometimes feels they are like a tier or even 2 below what Lebron is doing.

61-49-80 on 70%TS and while he is taking good shots they ain't all layups. He's been mediocre defensively (for his high standard) this year while being absolute GOAT/BOAT-tier offensively so far.

its not for best player
its more valuable

i think paul geroge deserves it so far....

Lebrons more valuable to what the heat do then George is to the pacers

[mopper8]

My list right now is

1. Lebron
2. Paul
3. Durant
4. George
5. & 6. Tie between Love & Curry

If people are curious I'll elaborate, but it's basically something like: (1) Lebron has been ridiculous/clearly best player in the L, everything Miami does revolves around him, and they're playing championship-caliber basketball. (2) Paul's season if boiled down to numbers looks like something out of Magic's prime and he's captaining the 2nd best offense in the NBA (behind Miami). (3) Durant objectively has been amazing but still represents a little bit of a retreat from last year's absurdity (dude is a beast) and OKC has been a little underwhelming on the whole. (4) George is Indiana's best player and they've looked insane, and he's maintained elite numbers. But its debatable whether he's even Indy's best defensive player, with Hibbert having the edge, and that's where Indy really makes it money. His big jump in scoring has only boosted Indy to league average on offense. (5) Love and Curry both have fantastic numbers. Love is hurt by his team's record, Curry is hurt by the fact that he's missing time and, like George, his team's success is on the defensive side. Unlike George, he can't really claim a ton of credit for that defense.

[xMADEinDADEx]

Right now, LeBron is one made three away from shooting 60/50/80 from the field.. Lol that's crazy.


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[Chalky White]

LeBron's playing very well, but he isn't going to shoot 49% from three or 60% from the field through the remainder of the season. What he's doing needs to be analyzed within the context of what the Heat as a unit are doing, which is turning out some of the most consistently explosive offense the league has seen since Nash's Suns. Miami manufactures mismatches and open looks as well as anyone, and they've been been overwhelming teams with their depth and athleticism through the first month of the season en route to some impressive numbers. LBJ is only one of a handful of Miami players experiencing career high averages in efficiency, and I think that's more a testament to the system and talent level of the team rather than LBJ's individual brilliance. It also doesn't hurt that he's a PF whose statistical production is analyzed via the standards of a perimeter player(72% of his points are coming from the paint, or the line).

Most of the improvement I see is in his comfortability in the post, but beyond that his level of play right now is within expected variation. Though, I don't expect him to carry these averages into the post season. He never does.

I think the same is true of Paul George to an extent. His individual improvement is obvious, but when analyzing his defensive metrics it's important to note that the Pacers are performing at a high level defensively across the board. While his individual play deserves recognition, some of his production is a reflection of the strength of the teams system.

Plus, it's only been 15 games, and both have benefited from weak schedules.

[Mikey111690]

LeBron's easily the MVP right now. 60/40/80 currently with a 70% ts. That's insane. He really wasn't kidding when he said his game improved.

[Run DLC]

And the scary part is, LeBron is barely trying in the first half of those games. He isn't rebounding the ball well, and he's a bit of a turnover machine right now. Once he clean things up a bit, it's over.

[Antrim]

LBJ is only one of a handful of Miami players experiencing career high averages in efficiency, and I think that's more a testament to the system and talent level of the team rather than LBJ's individual brilliance.

Only if you lack the basketball knowledge to recognize the fact that the whole system revolves around him, offensively and defensively.

[Chalky White]

LBJ is only one of a handful of Miami players experiencing career high averages in efficiency, and I think that's more a testament to the system and talent level of the team rather than LBJ's individual brilliance.

Only if you lack the basketball knowledge to recognize the fact that the whole system revolves around him, offensively and defensively.

LeBron is carrying less of a load offensively and defensively this season than any since he's been in Miami. They've adopted a Spurs like approach emphasizing ball movement, and they're better because of it.

[Antrim]

LBJ is only one of a handful of Miami players experiencing career high averages in efficiency, and I think that's more a testament to the system and talent level of the team rather than LBJ's individual brilliance.

Only if you lack the basketball knowledge to recognize the fact that the whole system revolves around him, offensively and defensively.

LeBron is carrying less of a load offensively and defensively this season than any since he's been in Miami. They've adopted a Spurs like approach emphasizing ball movement, and they're better because of it.

LeBron is carrying the same load than last year, where he also coasted. It's not like this is the first time he's taking it easy.

They haven't adopted a Spurs like approach, unless you call everything that's good basketball 'Spurs-like'. Miami's game is based on LeBron James, much more than SA's game (or any other team in the league, actually) is based on any of their players. This ball movement you're talking about wouldn't be happening, or definitely not be coming as easy for the Heat without the figure of LeBron James capturing all the defensive focus, and him being one of the smartest players and passers in the game.

It is obvious Miami's offensive game has improved tremendously since their first season together and I give a lot of credit to Spo, but you're underrating LeBron's impact in all aspects of Miami Heat basketball.

[NinjaSheppard]

Two questions regarding Miami this year but more specifically LeBron?

1) How would you rate his defensive impact so far this year?
2) How much of a lift is Miami getting from Dwyane Wade this year? (low end all star, high end all star, super star, lower than any of the above, etc)

[SideshowBob]

Two questions regarding Miami this year but more specifically LeBron?

1) How would you rate his defensive impact so far this year?
2) How much of a lift is Miami getting from Dwyane Wade this year? (low end all star, high end all star, super star, lower than any of the above, etc)

1. Looked great in the 1st game against Chicago, then struggled afterwards but has picked it up progressively in the last couple of weeks (as his offensive game has picked up). Through 14 games, I have him a bit lower than last year, but I expect the same level by season's end. FWIW, I have 2013 as his best defensive season.

2. Inconsistent. At times he's looked very poor, in some games, he's been the best defensive player on the floor. He's looked great in the last two games though, probably 2011-esque. Remains to be seen what he'll bring consistently, but encouraging signs so far.