Simmons demands out and will not report

[Duke4life831]

That's exactly right, it isn't! Which is why GSW aren't getting Simmons for just Draymond and Portland aren't getting Simmons for just CJ. The 76ers are trying to build a contender around Embiid, not help GSW build another super-team... or help Portland get better help for Dame on the cheap. Morey just isn't going to go for that no matter which way y'all want to spin things to get your hopes high. If Morey offered Simmons to Toronto for Siakam and FRP(s), I think Masai would drive Siakam to the airport himself. Then there's always Dallas available to ride in and save the day by offering Porzingis and multiple picks and swaps. Luka + Ben could do some serious damage together. Now that Ben has said he's fine being traded to all 29 other teams, the Cali ones have to make fair offers if they want their target.

imo Draymond is just the far superior player. We don't want their "help"

At this point, don’t even want Simmons for Wiggins. Wiggins is putting in the work to rebuild his shot. Below is how someone working on his shot looks like. Not like Simmons annual teaser trailers. Wiggins showed improvement last year and going to work his way to becoming a pro.

Watch on YouTube

Im sorry but how is this any different than the multiple training videos we see of Simmons every single year since he was a senior in high school?

The funny thing is, Wiggins has been the poster boy of all the potential in the world and zero improvement. Up until last year there wasn't a single aspect of Wiggins game that he had improved since he was a senior in high school. And as of right now the only improvement in Wiggins game has been 1 good year with his jumper. He isn't a better shot creator on the ball, he isn't a better facilitator, he doesnt have a better handle. Wiggins could've easily just had a fluke year with his jumper last year and he falls right back down to earth this year. Simmons has improved more in the NBA than Wiggins has. Simmons level of improvement on the defensive end is greater than Wiggins improvement on the offensive and defensive end combined in his career.

I just dont see how a video of Wiggins at a practice is proof of what it looks like of someone putting in the work. While when Simmons has videos doing the exact same thing, those mean nothing. Also people seem to forget there are a lot more aspects in the game to improve than just a jumper.

[Myth]

I feel GSW and Portland need to add a whole lot each. Prior to this last playoffs, the 76ers could have netted CJ + Draymond + ?? for Simmons ... and the idea wouldn't have been scoffed at.

This aint candyland

That's exactly right, it isn't! Which is why GSW aren't getting Simmons for just Draymond and Portland aren't getting Simmons for just CJ. The 76ers are trying to build a contender around Embiid, not help GSW build another super-team... or help Portland get better help for Dame on the cheap. Morey just isn't going to go for that no matter which way y'all want to spin things to get your hopes high. If Morey offered Simmons to Toronto for Siakam and FRP(s), I think Masai would drive Siakam to the airport himself. Then there's always Dallas available to ride in and save the day by offering Porzingis and multiple picks and swaps. Luka + Ben could do some serious damage together. Now that Ben has said he's fine being traded to all 29 other teams, the Cali ones have to make fair offers if they want their target.

How is Dallas offering Porzingis saving the day?

[LAL1947]

This aint candyland

Then there's always Dallas available to ride in and save the day by offering Porzingis and multiple picks and swaps.

How is Dallas offering Porzingis saving the day?

Porzingis + Brunson + multiple picks + multiple swaps.

And ride in to save the day by offering something of better value than just Wiggins (blech) + filler... or just Draymond... or just CJ... or Brogdon (blech) + a pick. Y'all will have to up your offers... or Luka finally gets a good running-mate.

Watch on YouTube

[SpreeChokeJob]

imo Draymond is just the far superior player. We don't want their "help"

At this point, don’t even want Simmons for Wiggins. Wiggins is putting in the work to rebuild his shot. Below is how someone working on his shot looks like. Not like Simmons annual teaser trailers. Wiggins showed improvement last year and going to work his way to becoming a pro.

Watch on YouTube

Im sorry but how is this any different than the multiple training videos we see of Simmons every single year since he was a senior in high school?

The funny thing is, Wiggins has been the poster boy of all the potential in the world and zero improvement. Up until last year there wasn't a single aspect of Wiggins game that he had improved since he was a senior in high school. And as of right now the only improvement in Wiggins game has been 1 good year with his jumper. He isn't a better shot creator on the ball, he isn't a better facilitator, he doesnt have a better handle. Wiggins could've easily just had a fluke year with his jumper last year and he falls right back down to earth this year. Simmons has improved more in the NBA than Wiggins has. Simmons level of improvement on the defensive end is greater than Wiggins improvement on the offensive and defensive end combined in his career.

I just dont see how a video of Wiggins at a practice is proof of what it looks like of someone putting in the work. While when Simmons has videos doing the exact same thing, those mean nothing. Also people seem to forget there are a lot more aspects in the game to improve than just a jumper.

How is this different from Simmons videos? In my opinion, it looks like they are practicing a new shooting form. Same for Wiseman, where it looks like they are rebuilding from scratch. Both are working with shooting coaches not their brother. Another thing I notice about Simmons videos is his body language during misses. As long as he makes several in a row, he's good, but when he misses his body language gets worse and worse, and he eventually gives up. Wiggins is missing, but he continues on with the new form.

You can argue last year was a fluke, maybe it was. I could argue that it wasn't. Doesn't get us anywhere. My prediction is he'll probably be worse in the beginning of the year since he's trying new form but by the end of the year it will pay off. But arguing is useless, the results will speak for themselves, and my bet is by the end of the year he will preserve his shooting gains from last year.

My thinking is Wiggins game will become much better with an improved shot. If he has a reliable jump shot, it just opens up a lot of things to his game given his speed and height. He showed himself to shut down a few offensive stars last year on defense, so he's no liability on that side. If he ups his offensive game, all those people who complain about his contract will start complaining less and even reverse when he finally proves himself.

[LAL1947]

My thinking is Wiggins game will become much better with an improved shot. If he has a reliable jump shot, it just opens up a lot of things to his game given his speed and height. He showed himself to shut down a few offensive stars last year on defense, so he's no liability on that side. If he ups his offensive game, all those people who complain about his contract will start complaining less and even reverse when he finally proves himself.

Well, if you're happy with Wiggins, that's great and I'm glad too! The league certainly doesn't need to see another super-team of Curry, Klay, Dray and Simmons. That'll be too much, especially if it was done by a player and/his agent forcing his way to a team in exchange for assets far below his true value.

[DroseReturnChi]

My thinking is Wiggins game will become much better with an improved shot. If he has a reliable jump shot, it just opens up a lot of things to his game given his speed and height. He showed himself to shut down a few offensive stars last year on defense, so he's no liability on that side. If he ups his offensive game, all those people who complain about his contract will start complaining less and even reverse when he finally proves himself.

Well, if you're happy with Wiggins, that's great and I'm glad too! The league certainly doesn't need to see another super-team of Curry, Klay, Dray and Simmons. That'll be too much, especially if it was done by a player and/his agent forcing his way to a team in exchange for assets far below his true value.

that lineup is a superteam but gs has strange fears about players busting. they promised lamelo number 2 as well but didnt pick him bc fans were clowning his jumper and they didnt want to get mocked by the league as a joke.
same with simmons. they probably see him never improving bc of the embiid,doc throwing him under the bus his reputation has taken a hit like meyers leonard where its become toxic to being him in. kind of ironic they believe more in maple jordan.

one more theory is they saw the dynasty and probably evaluated curry isnt that good with him as number 1 option failing to make playoffs. your paying 400mil with simmons and now team is imploding forced to trade steph for pennies.
it is understandable bc if curry's shots arent falling and now you suddenly have 0pt simmons and green sulking getting embarrassed by 19 yr old kids. steph legacy takes hit, forces a trade, lacob loses billions in valuation and gs becomes wasteland post dynasty.
from a gm perspective, its safer to coddle curry give him 5 yr farewell kobe tour and keep his job under rebuilding "flexibility".

once gms focus more on other stuff other than winning a chip, you realize that team is on the downfall. even the lakers had those dark age but it didnt take like decades like crappy teams.

[Knightfall]

Send his ass to the D-League team and fine him for every no show.

That will go over well with Simmons, other players, the agent, even fans. That's going to point every player in the world to go to Philadelphia. They'll love it. Its genius.


Haha yeah right.

Other players ? Who likes him ? Nobody in Phil right now . Fans? He has fans right now ? Where ? I mean yea I’d do it too

I'd say do it. It's going to go great. Free agents will line up to play for that owner I'm sure.

[KuruptedCav]

imo Draymond is just the far superior player. We don't want their "help"

At this point, don’t even want Simmons for Wiggins. Wiggins is putting in the work to rebuild his shot. Below is how someone working on his shot looks like. Not like Simmons annual teaser trailers. Wiggins showed improvement last year and going to work his way to becoming a pro.

Watch on YouTube

Im sorry but how is this any different than the multiple training videos we see of Simmons every single year since he was a senior in high school?

The funny thing is, Wiggins has been the poster boy of all the potential in the world and zero improvement. Up until last year there wasn't a single aspect of Wiggins game that he had improved since he was a senior in high school. And as of right now the only improvement in Wiggins game has been 1 good year with his jumper. He isn't a better shot creator on the ball, he isn't a better facilitator, he doesnt have a better handle. Wiggins could've easily just had a fluke year with his jumper last year and he falls right back down to earth this year. Simmons has improved more in the NBA than Wiggins has. Simmons level of improvement on the defensive end is greater than Wiggins improvement on the offensive and defensive end combined in his career.

I just dont see how a video of Wiggins at a practice is proof of what it looks like of someone putting in the work. While when Simmons has videos doing the exact same thing, those mean nothing. Also people seem to forget there are a lot more aspects in the game to improve than just a jumper.

Curious about this as Simmons Steal Rate, Block Rate, Defensive Rebounding Rate, DWS, DPM, and Defensive Net are all below his career averages.


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[Myth]

Then there's always Dallas available to ride in and save the day by offering Porzingis and multiple picks and swaps.

How is Dallas offering Porzingis saving the day?

Porzingis + Brunson + multiple picks + multiple swaps.

And ride in to save the day by offering something of better value than just Wiggins (blech) + filler... or just Draymond... or just CJ... or Brogdon (blech) + a pick. Y'all will have to up your offers... or Luka finally gets a good running-mate.

Watch on YouTube

Portland would offer more than just CJ as well, so the main difference is essentially how many more picks Dallas is willing to offer. The pick swaps are likely to not be that valuable.

[John Murdoch]

Would be hillarious to see Morey take the original Brogdon offer

[QingJames]

It’s always crazy to me that some fans are so rabidly pro-player in the player empowerment debate. Like, unless you’re a fan of one of the 4-5 teams that gets free agents, you do recognize that the fans’ interest largely aligns with the teams’ interest, right? I mean, player mobility is a bad thing for fans of 24 of the team’s leagues. Why pretend any differently?

If you want to make the argument that players deserve more power within the league, you ought to at least acknowledge how doing so is anti-competitive and directly counter to the vast majority of the league’s fans.

Excellent post in a vacuum. Again, it’s not a lack of understanding. Anyone posting on a message board the way we do is probably a fanatic of a team. Your/our interests are therefore going to be whatever is in the best interest of the team. That said, I can be a part of a group of people and still recognize that that means I have a certain level of privilege or control. For instance, I’m a man. That doesn’t make me blind to the fact that men have waaaaaayyyyyyy more benefits in our western society than women do. So when women ask for certain rights, I don’t immediately go to ‘what more can they possibly want?’ or ‘don’t they have enough?!’

Can you see that point?

Yeah, I think that's fair. I think, like anything, it's hard to be sympathetic to the person when their interests are counter to your own. Intellectually though, I do agree with you. It's just especially hard to sympathize with the cause of a person who seemingly already has a great deal of privilege. Good post though.

[TroubleS0me]

its hard to root for guy a like simmons, doesnt want to improve,
send him to the Lions den..

[jbk1234]

That's exactly right, it isn't! Which is why GSW aren't getting Simmons for just Draymond and Portland aren't getting Simmons for just CJ. The 76ers are trying to build a contender around Embiid, not help GSW build another super-team... or help Portland get better help for Dame on the cheap. Morey just isn't going to go for that no matter which way y'all want to spin things to get your hopes high. If Morey offered Simmons to Toronto for Siakam and FRP(s), I think Masai would drive Siakam to the airport himself. Then there's always Dallas available to ride in and save the day by offering Porzingis and multiple picks and swaps. Luka + Ben could do some serious damage together. Now that Ben has said he's fine being traded to all 29 other teams, the Cali ones have to make fair offers if they want their target.

imo Draymond is just the far superior player. We don't want their "help"

At this point, don’t even want Simmons for Wiggins. Wiggins is putting in the work to rebuild his shot. Below is how someone working on his shot looks like. Not like Simmons annual teaser trailers. Wiggins showed improvement last year and going to work his way to becoming a pro.

Watch on YouTube

Anyone have some one on none video of Dion Waters? I need my fix.

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[Duke4life831]

its hard to root for guy a like simmons, doesnt want to improve,
send him to the Lions den..

He literally went from a prospect that wasn't viewed as a top tier defender and now this past season was runner up in DPOY. Yes he hasn't improved on the offensive end, but he clearly has improved overall when you factor in the huge growth in his defense.

[LAL1947]

If the Mavericks can somehow pull it off... I'm liking the idea of Ben Simmons playing small-ball center there. He and Luka could be great in the PNR and they've got good sized wings to put around them. What do y'all think? Is that a feasible thought or am I just being a dreamer?

Halleluka, Hardaway Jr, Reggie Bullock, Finney-Smith, Simmons
Dragic, Sterling Brown, *Josh Jackson, Maxi Kleber, Powell/Bobito.

*trading WCS for Jackson, seems quite a do-able trade.

I feel this role is perfect for Ben's skill-set, as he'd be the perfect secondary play-maker next to Luka in the playoffs... and he'd have an open runway to the hoop with the spacing. The Mavs could really use his DPOY qualities too. When they start winning games, it will help him sort out any image or game-related issues in the eyes of the public.

Do it, Mark/Nico & Ben!

[DroseReturnChi]

Would be hillarious to see Morey take the original Brogdon offer

only an idiot gm would do it. elite gms even if the original offer is good dont take it bc of ego and showing weakness.

[DroseReturnChi]

If the Mavericks can somehow pull it off... I'm liking the idea of Ben Simmons playing small-ball center there. I think he and Luka could be great in the PNR and they've got some decent wings to put around them. What do y'all think? Is that a feasible thought or am I just being a dreamer?

Halleluka, Hardaway Jr, Reggie Bullock, Finney-Smith, Simmons
Dragic, Sterling Brown, *Josh Jackson, Maxi Kleber, Powell/Bobito.

*trading WCS for Jackson, quite a do-able trade.

I'm quite sure playing in that role alongside Luka can help Ben sort out any image or game-related issues that need to be sorted out in the eyes of the public. Do it, Mark/Nico & Ben!

kp and picks. im banking on cuban to make it happen.

[Tomjas]

If the Mavericks can somehow pull it off... I'm liking the idea of Ben Simmons playing small-ball center there. I think he and Luka could be great in the PNR and they've got some decent wings to put around them. What do y'all think? Is that a feasible thought or am I just being a dreamer?

Halleluka, Hardaway Jr, Reggie Bullock, Finney-Smith, Simmons
Dragic, Sterling Brown, *Josh Jackson, Maxi Kleber, Powell/Bobito.

*trading WCS for Jackson, quite a do-able trade.

I'm quite sure playing in that role alongside Luka can help Ben sort out any image or game-related issues that need to be sorted out in the eyes of the public. Do it, Mark/Nico & Ben!

Simmons to Mavs

KP to Spurs

Murray, Thad (expiring), picks from Spurs and Mavs to Sixers

[LAL1947]

kp and picks. im banking on cuban to make it happen.

May have to include Brunson + swaps, but that shouldn't be any issue IMO. So KP + Brunson + 2 FRPs + 2 Swaps.

Heck, I'd even do 3 FRPs since the Mavs FO haven't made a good pick outside Luka in forever.