If you could re do the Cade, Green and Mobley draft would you go differently

[basketballRob]

Not sure I am reading that chart correctly. Are you adding weight to a lower volume 3 point percentage?

No, I'm adding weight because I'm bias.

That makes more sense. Thanks.

He definitely has a case to be the best.

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[toooskies]

Mobley has figured out how to be an additive player next to #1and #2 options. As long as there are #1 and #2 options are already on the team, you can't ask for much more than vastly improving efficiency.

My ceiling projection for him may be lower than before but it's still above where Joakim Noah was the year he got MVP votes.

[PrimeThyme]

One of my favorite experiences is listening to opposing announcers get exposed to Wagner for the first time.

They are all aware of Banchero, who was the number 1 pick and looks every bit the part. But Wagner on the other hand, is a tall lanky white kid selected 8th in an All-time hyped draft who everyone just assumes is a proto-typical unathletic 3&D wing. That's why it's so fun to see the revelations they have in real-time as he's blowing past their teams best-opposing defenders for a contested finish at the rim, taking over 4th quarters, and hitting stepback jumpers.

For my taste, and it will of course be taken as bias, I don't see how Franz doesn't go top 3 in a redraft. Just like the announcers, I think people who don't watch him on a nightly basis are still attached to their assumptions and his college/pre-draft scouting reports.

[basketballRob]

Franz keeps getting better. In the last 15 games he's averaged 22 ppg on 50/40/86.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/franz-wagner-stats-last-15-games

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[AaronB]

One of my favorite experiences is listening to opposing announcers get exposed to Wagner for the first time.

They are all aware of Banchero, who was the number 1 pick and looks every bit the part. But Wagner on the other hand, is a tall lanky white kid selected 8th in an All-time hyped draft who everyone just assumes is a proto-typical unathletic 3&D wing. That's why it's so fun to see the revelations they have in real-time as he's blowing past their teams best-opposing defenders for a contested finish at the rim, taking over 4th quarters, and hitting stepback jumpers.

For my taste, and it will of course be taken as bias, I don't see how Franz doesn't go top 3 in a redraft. Just like the announcers, I think people who don't watch him on a nightly basis are still attached to their assumptions and his college/pre-draft scouting reports.

I doubt the Portland announcers last night will be saying in the future "one day he will be a good 'glue guy'. " like they were probably saying at the beginning of the game

At the end, they were probably saying something "WTF just happened? That is not a guy with 'glue guy' potential. That is a guy with MVP potential" as the game ended.

I don't blame them either because it took me about 20-30 games to figure out FWag is not the guy I thought he was.

[AaronB]

Franz keeps getting better. In the last 15 games he's averaged 22 ppg on 50/40/86.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/franz-wagner-stats-last-15-games

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I think Coach Mosley needs to make him run laps until he gets his FT percentage up.

[LordCovington33]

I would’ve gone

Mobley

Cade

Green

To me Mobley has enormous potential …Dude is already one of the most versatile defensive players in the game if not top 3 with Giannis and OG currently and hasn’t even scratched the surface. At 7 feet tall he can virtually guard every position on the floor.

On offense still is a tad raw but you can see the potential with his touch around the basket and can hit the mid range . Additionally he is an underrated passing big . His upside is off the charts

Green is a chucker on the worst team … Barnes is better without a doubt

[OrlMagic05]

Watch on YouTube

He keeps getting better..

[JonFromVA]

Franz is one of the best finishers at the rim in the NBA. None of the the other lottery picks can say that.

Franz has scored over 30 points in a game multiple times.

How many assisted? A finisher does so without being assisted.

fyi, Mobley is currently at 78.3% on shots between 0-3ft.

Assists are a good thing ...

[orlando_joe]

Franz has been the best player in the NBA this season in the 4th quarter, if you look at points and percentages.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=who+has+scored+the+most+4th-quarter+points+this+season

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its only going up for the "is this anything" last 22 games 4th quarter shooting was like 60/55/90 %

[tooler]

One of my favorite experiences is listening to opposing announcers get exposed to Wagner for the first time.

Haha, I thought I was the only one. The funniest thing is watching highlight videos cut from the opposing team’s broadcast. They always start out saying “he’s had a great year” or “he’s a really good player” and then when he takes over the 4th quarter they just start saying “wow” and “unbelievable move.” You get the whole Franz experience edited down to a couple minutes.

One group that isn’t surprised to see him — defensive coaching staffs! He’s already faced his first wave of game planning and I suspect the second wave will come back with a vengeance. Some of them are probably very mad.

[3ddman23]

How u can watch these franz highlights from his game against Portland last night and not see how he is the most advanced scorer from the draft last year is baffling. I mean his finishing around the rim is a thing of beauty. Almost like watching ginobli.

[GelbeWand09]

[mcfly1204]

Side note, those charts are garbage.

[kdthunderup]

I would’ve gone

Mobley

Cade

Green

To me Mobley has enormous potential …Dude is already one of the most versatile defensive players in the game if not top 3 with Giannis and OG currently and hasn’t even scratched the surface. At 7 feet tall he can virtually guard every position on the floor.

On offense still is a tad raw but you can see the potential with his touch around the basket and can hit the mid range . Additionally he is an underrated passing big . His upside is off the charts

Green is a chucker on the worst team … Barnes is better without a doubt

I think Green is the most talented and has the best potential - unfortunately he is probably the worst situation coaching and development wise. You can't really blame him for that.

[AbC?]

I said it before this season started that I would take Franz over anyone else in this class. That's partly how great I think he is but also this class is just mediocre as hell.

Cade has serious question marks - shooting, inability to get to the FT line, turnovers and physical limitations
Green looks like an empty calories scoring guard
Mobley has zero offensive game outside 3 feet - I really don't understand the optimism when it comes to his offense.
Much has made of why Barnes has struggled - mentality, shooting etc etc, I think he's just a limited athlete because of how goddamn slow he is in all respects, not big on his upside
Suggs - can't dribble or shoot at an NBA level

The only guys I watch and feel excited about their potential is Franz

[OrlMagic05]

How u can watch these franz highlights from his game against Portland last night and not see how he is the most advanced scorer from the draft last year is baffling. I mean his finishing around the rim is a think of beauty. Almost like watching ginobli.

I like to think of Franz as a 6'9 Ginobli. The way he uses the euro step is very similar to the way Ginobli did.

[AaronB]

I said it before this season started that I would take Franz over anyone else in this class. That's partly how great I think he is but also this class is just mediocre as hell.

Cade has serious question marks - shooting, inability to get to the FT line, turnovers and physical limitations
Green looks like an empty calories scoring guard
Mobley has zero offensive game outside 3 feet - I really don't understand the optimism when it comes to his offense.
Much has made of why Barnes has struggled - mentality, shooting etc etc, I think he's just a limited athlete because of how goddamn slow he is in all respects, not big on his upside
Suggs - can't dribble or shoot at an NBA level

The only guys I watch and feel excited about their potential is Franz and Giddey.

You should add Sengun to your list of guys to get excited about. He has the footwork of a 10 year vet. His potential is off the charts. In a redraft, I would have a hard time not making Sengun the number 2 or 3 pick.

[tooler]

The only guys I watch and feel excited about their potential is Franz and Giddey.

I'm impressed with Josh Giddey now after not paying attention to him all season. I'm jealous that OKC went out and got a premier shooting coach, something I think Orlando would never do because it comes straight from profit.

If he can hit league average from 3PT range, then his free throw rate doesn't matter that much. As long as teams aren't sagging off him in the playoffs, that will give room for SGA to cook.

Can someone explain to me why he's the second tallest player on their active roster? Do they have 5 or 6 injured bigs or are they trying to do the "positionless player" thing with 6'6" guys?

[Vox Populi]

Tier 1 - Franz, Cade, Mobley, Green
Tier 2 - Giddey, Sengun, Barnes, Kuminga, Suggs