Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated

[Celts17Pride]

Off-ball offense is not Luka's problem at all. And he can post quite well, so he can maneuver for position that way, and does. Dallas'
issue is team defense. The one year this past stretch where they weren't below average, they went to the WCFs. They are missing frontcourt pieces, very much as were the pre-2011 Mavs with Dirk.

I agree with this and I certainly agree about Dallas needing frontcourt pieces; since they went to the WCF, they've moved Porzingis, Boban, DFS and other defenders and we can't forget that they lost Brunson that summer.

I'm not sure what that FO is doing tbh and having Irving makes their defense even worse - but much harder to upgrade now.

Thinking about the Hawks', I've always thought they should trade Trae and hand the team over to Murray.

Problem with trading Trae Young is the same issue with Chicago and LaVine. Trae Young doesn’t have anywhere near the value in the NBA that the Hawks think that he should have, thus it’s hard to find a trade.

[Dacost]

Same old issue 5 years later NO DEFENSE.

Alot players are bad and teams find ways to hide them however no of the are 5'10 170lbs.

The only way to get over the hump is rebuild the roster with tall defense minded players.

That means getting rid off Bodgan ect..

[Ball4life32]

Off-ball offense is not Luka's problem at all. And he can post quite well, so he can maneuver for position that way, and does. Dallas'
issue is team defense. The one year this past stretch where they weren't below average, they went to the WCFs. They are missing frontcourt pieces, very much as were the pre-2011 Mavs with Dirk.

I agree with this and I certainly agree about Dallas needing frontcourt pieces; since they went to the WCF, they've moved Porzingis, Boban, DFS and other defenders and we can't forget that they lost Brunson that summer.

I'm not sure what that FO is doing tbh and having Irving makes their defense even worse - but much harder to upgrade now.

Thinking about the Hawks', I've always thought they should trade Trae and hand the team over to Murray.

Problem with trading Trae Young is the same issue with Chicago and LaVine. Trae Young doesn’t have anywhere near the value in the NBA that the Hawks think that he should have, thus it’s hard to find a trade.

Except Trae is significantly better and has way more value than Lavine plus hawks aren’t shopping Trae. He only gets moved if he demands a trade. Also why would hawks move the younger superior player? Not happening. And pretty wild to think no one would want a PG averaging 28/11+ on 59 TS% 25 yr old locked up.

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I agree with this and I certainly agree about Dallas needing frontcourt pieces; since they went to the WCF, they've moved Porzingis, Boban, DFS and other defenders and we can't forget that they lost Brunson that summer.

I'm not sure what that FO is doing tbh and having Irving makes their defense even worse - but much harder to upgrade now.

Thinking about the Hawks', I've always thought they should trade Trae and hand the team over to Murray.

Problem with trading Trae Young is the same issue with Chicago and LaVine. Trae Young doesn’t have anywhere near the value in the NBA that the Hawks think that he should have, thus it’s hard to find a trade.

Except Trae is significantly better and has way more value than Lavine plus hawks aren’t shopping Trae. He only gets moved if he demands a trade. Also why would hawks move the younger superior player? Not happening. And pretty wild to think no one would want a PG averaging 28/11+ on 59 TS% 25 yr old locked up.

When you are talking about under-rated in regards to trade value, you run into two other stumbling blocks.

First, a team’s star is often more valuable to his current team. He has been marketed for years, and the team has told local fans how amazing he is, and that they should come out and buy tickets and merchandise. There is an image that he represents the team - THAT team. He is often at the center of their positive memories of the team. This effect is magnified, the better the player is.

Second, the current team has had the player for years, and has often been constructed to maximize him. Trae is an exceptional talent offensively, but you need the other four players to pick up his defensive slack. Also, Trae is going to be the show on his new team, and he is valuable with the ball in his hands and with a high usage. It’s hard to find a team that is already built with a strong defense, and wants to cut the usage of their current star(s). When we talk about trading a player like Anunoby or Bridges, we say he is a seamless fit anywhere - Trae is the opposite. He needs a specific team, or they won’t be willing to make big offers for him.

One good thing in Trae’s case is that he is only 25. You could see a struggling franchise complete embrace a rebuild, and Young is young enough to be a part of it. If the Hawks trade him, I think that’s where you’ll see him go.

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[Ball4life32]

The best defense of his life is still terrible defense. It’s like saying a lifetime F student did the best ever and celebrating they got a D minus.

Except in this case the F student has become a C- to a C student. He's average to slightly below average. That is a huge increase.

Trae Young is #466 of 513 in DRtg. That’s the 10th percentile.

And sadly, the poster may be telling the truth when he says this is the best defense of Trae’s life.

Trae is an extremely good offensive player - one of the NBA’s best. But I do not think, on a whole, he is “ridiculously’ under-rated.

I’m not saying is good defensively but DRTG is a team stat and hawks are bad defensively to be fair. I mean top 3 in ORTG are all on the Pacers and the Wolves have 5 guys in the top 10 in DRTG. The other 5 in the top 10 in DRTG are either on Hou or Phi. Hawks DRTG without Trae is 121.6 right now which is just abysmal sigh.

[marco102]

Problem with trading Trae Young is the same issue with Chicago and LaVine. Trae Young doesn’t have anywhere near the value in the NBA that the Hawks think that he should have, thus it’s hard to find a trade.

Except Trae is significantly better and has way more value than Lavine plus hawks aren’t shopping Trae. He only gets moved if he demands a trade. Also why would hawks move the younger superior player? Not happening. And pretty wild to think no one would want a PG averaging 28/11+ on 59 TS% 25 yr old locked up.

When you are talking about under-rated in regards to trade value, you run into two other stumbling blocks.

First, a team’s star is often more valuable to his current team. He has been marketed for years, and the team has told local fans how amazing he is, and that they should come out and buy tickets and merchandise. There is an image that he represents the team - THAT team. He is often at the center of their positive memories of the team. This effect is magnified, the better the player is.

Second, the current team has had the player for years, and has often been constructed to maximize him. Trae is an exceptional talent offensively, but you need the other four players to pick up his defensive slack. Also, Trae is going to be the show on his new team, and he is valuable with the ball in his hands and with a high usage. It’s hard to find a team that is already built with a strong defense, and wants to cut the usage of their current star(s). When we talk about trading a player like Anunoby or Bridges, we say he is a seamless fit anywhere - Trae is the opposite. He needs a specific team, or they won’t be willing to make big offers for him.

One good thing in Trae’s case is that he is only 25. You could see a struggling franchise complete embrace a rebuild, and Young is young enough to be a part of it. If the Hawks trade him, I think that’s where you’ll see him go.

LOL this is silly. If the Hawks were to trade Trae Young, they'd get a hall for him. Matter of fact you'd probably want him on your team. It's easy to discuss all the weaknesses when he isn't on your team and you don't watch every game. Trae is an offensive system to himself. Top 15 player by catch all metrics. You guys who don't watch him on a game by game basis don't realize how much he's improved defensively. He's average at best, but that's all should ask for a player with his size and offensive workload. He isn't the reason the Hawks defense is bad and if you watch 5 hawks games in a row you'll see that.

[Celts17Pride]

LOL this is silly. If the Hawks were to trade Trae Young, they'd get a hall for him.

and this is the problem. Hawks expectations outweigh his value.

[Ball4life32]

LOL this is silly. If the Hawks were to trade Trae Young, they'd get a hall for him.

and this is the problem. Hawks expectations outweigh his value.

So you’re saying he wouldn’t get a haul?

And comparing him to Lavine….on what planet do they have similar value when Trae is younger and makes much more impact?

Trae +4.3 BPM +5.0 EPM

Lavine +0.1 BPM +0.1 EPM

[Celts17Pride]

LOL this is silly. If the Hawks were to trade Trae Young, they'd get a hall for him.

and this is the problem. Hawks expectations outweigh his value.

Based on what? You’re saying he wouldn’t get a haul?

Trae +4.3 BPM +5.0 EPM

Lavine +0.1 BPM +0.1 EPM

And comparing him to Lavine….on what planet do they have similar value when Trae is younger and makes much more impact?

I'm not comparing LaVine to Young. Young is a better player. The only comparison I'm making between LaVine and Young is both teams expectations for what they will get in return for the players will be disappointing.

[Ball4life32]

and this is the problem. Hawks expectations outweigh his value.

Based on what? You’re saying he wouldn’t get a haul?

Trae +4.3 BPM +5.0 EPM

Lavine +0.1 BPM +0.1 EPM

And comparing him to Lavine….on what planet do they have similar value when Trae is younger and makes much more impact?

I'm not comparing LaVine to Young. Young is a better player. The only comparison I'm making between LaVine and Young is both teams expectations for what they will get in return for the players will be disappointing.

Who thinks Lavine has high value? There is no world hawks trade Trae and don’t get back a haul. And no I’m not saying every team in the nba would be interested and give a haul because fit does matter…but I don’t believe there wouldn’t be any teams interested if they actually made him available like Lavine.

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Based on what? You’re saying he wouldn’t get a haul?

Trae +4.3 BPM +5.0 EPM

Lavine +0.1 BPM +0.1 EPM

And comparing him to Lavine….on what planet do they have similar value when Trae is younger and makes much more impact?

I'm not comparing LaVine to Young. Young is a better player. The only comparison I'm making between LaVine and Young is both teams expectations for what they will get in return for the players will be disappointing.

Who thinks Lavine has high value? There is no world hawks trade Trae and don’t get back a haul. And no I’m not saying every team in the nba would be interested and give a haul because fit does matter…but I don’t believe there wouldn’t be any teams interested if they actually made him available like Lavine.

Pause. Read what he’s saying, and stop arguing against things nobody said.

[Ball4life32]

I'm not comparing LaVine to Young. Young is a better player. The only comparison I'm making between LaVine and Young is both teams expectations for what they will get in return for the players will be disappointing.

Who thinks Lavine has high value? There is no world hawks trade Trae and don’t get back a haul. And no I’m not saying every team in the nba would be interested and give a haul because fit does matter…but I don’t believe there wouldn’t be any teams interested if they actually made him available like Lavine.

Pause. Read what he’s saying, and stop arguing against things nobody said.

Buddy I know exactly what he said. Lavine doesn’t make the impact of his contract plus he’s almost 29 yrs old and will be making 45m+ into his 30s. That’s why Bulls won’t get a haul and I don’t think anyone outside of casual Bulls fans are expecting a ton of value for him at this point. Not to mention they have him on the block while hawks haven’t made Trae available ….hell bulls have gotten better since lavine went down even if it’s a small sample. Sure Trae doesn’t fit everywhere I understand that but that doesn’t mean hawks would get way less than they think if they made him available especially with the way he’s playing right now.

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Who thinks Lavine has high value? There is no world hawks trade Trae and don’t get back a haul. And no I’m not saying every team in the nba would be interested and give a haul because fit does matter…but I don’t believe there wouldn’t be any teams interested if they actually made him available like Lavine.

Pause. Read what he’s saying, and stop arguing against things nobody said.

Buddy I know exactly what he said. Lavine doesn’t make the impact of his contract plus he’s almost 29 yrs old and will be making 45m+ into his 30s. That’s why Bulls won’t get a haul and I don’t think anyone outside of casual Bulls fans are expecting a ton of value for him at this point. Not to mention they have him on the block while hawks haven’t made Trae available ….hell bulls have gotten better since lavine went down even if it’s a small sample. Sure Trae doesn’t fit everywhere I understand that but that doesn’t mean hawks would get way less than they think if they made him available especially with the way he’s playing right now.

By this response, you did not know what he said, even though he said it twice.

He did not compare LaVine and Trae, or their situations. All this talk about “hauls” is all you.

I'm not comparing LaVine to Young. Young is a better player. The only comparison I'm making between LaVine and Young is both teams expectations for what they will get in return for the players will be disappointing.

[art_tatum]

I think if he has better selection of his shot and keep focusing on running the team and improve his D then yes he can contribute to championship ball. Not there yet.

[Ball4life32]

Pause. Read what he’s saying, and stop arguing against things nobody said.

Buddy I know exactly what he said. Lavine doesn’t make the impact of his contract plus he’s almost 29 yrs old and will be making 45m+ into his 30s. That’s why Bulls won’t get a haul and I don’t think anyone outside of casual Bulls fans are expecting a ton of value for him at this point. Not to mention they have him on the block while hawks haven’t made Trae available ….hell bulls have gotten better since lavine went down even if it’s a small sample. Sure Trae doesn’t fit everywhere I understand that but that doesn’t mean hawks would get way less than they think if they made him available especially with the way he’s playing right now.

By this response, you did not know what he said, even though he said it twice.

He did not compare LaVine and Trae, or their situations. All this talk about “hauls” is all you.

I'm not comparing LaVine to Young. Young is a better player. The only comparison I'm making between LaVine and Young is both teams expectations for what they will get in return for the players will be disappointing.

And again for the second time I know exactly what he said….

Problem with trading Trae Young is the same issue with Chicago and LaVine. Trae Young doesn’t have anywhere near the value in the NBA that the Hawks think that he should have, thus it’s hard to find a trade.

I disagree with this statement that Trae doesn’t have NEAR the value the hawks think he does especially when compared to Lavine and the Bulls. I know he’s not comparing them as players or their situations but pretty sure that factors in trade value which is why I brought it up. And I wasn’t the first and only one to bring up “hauls” either.

Like I said I agree he wouldn’t fit on all teams and not everyone would go after him but I bet they’d get a lot closer in trade value from someone than the Bulls would get for Lavine if Chicago was actually expecting a lot when they put him on the market. I don’t see hawks trading Trae unless he wanted to leave though.

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I don’t think anyone disagrees that Trae is great at the things he does great.

But if you are rating (or under-rating) a basketball player, you need to rate the player as a whole.

[KingFox]

Trae is special but you never really know what version of him you'll get. I'd like to see him mix it up a bit more offensively, from a scoring standpoint. The deep curry-like threes ain't for everybody (all the time, i mean).