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OFFICIAL: LeBron announces return to Cleveland

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Does this change how you feel about LeBron?

Yes. He's regained my respect.
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Re: OFFICIAL: LeBron announces return to Cleveland 

Post#681 » by HeatFanSince87 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:14 am

markdeez33 wrote:
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markdeez33 wrote:My friend Wes and I have been discussing this for over a year, and we both agreed that LBJ would return to Cleveland, and that now was the time. I am not surprised at this, at all. I thought it was an 85% chance that he would leave Miami. It just felt like time. I think the Spurs knocked the wind outta his sails in Miami, and he felt like there was no upside there. He made the right move.



Is that you chris Broussard ?


No, it's not.

I would be glad to go back through my FB messages from over a year ago where we both agree that LBJ will eventually return to the Cavs! Why would I make that up? That would be pointless. Virtually anyone who followed LBJ either as a fan or as someone who disliked him had a pretty good idea that he'd eventually return to Cleveland to atone for his sins. Just most people thought he'd be 35 or so, not so soon!



I'm talking about the 85% comment. That's what Broussard used on his twitter.

People "knew" one day he would return.. But no one really expected in 2014.
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Re: OFFICIAL: LeBron announces return to Cleveland 

Post#682 » by Donald Kaufman » Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:08 am

Chuck Everett wrote:He's kind of right. Shaq didn't win a title until his 8th year in the league. Hakeem schooled him, Jordan schooled him, Malone schooled him. Then he did the schooling.


When did Jordan school him? His Magic beat the Bulls in the '95 playoffs.
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Re: BREAKING: LeBron announces return to Cleveland 

Post#683 » by RH5 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:43 pm

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NOODLESTYLE wrote:Shirts are available now!

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Wouldn't lebron go back to #23?


His website has this:

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His website just changed to this now:
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So maybe 23 is still possible?
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Re: OFFICIAL: LeBron announces return to Cleveland 

Post#684 » by markdeez33 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:45 pm

HeatFanSince87 wrote:
markdeez33 wrote:
HeatFanSince87 wrote:

Is that you chris Broussard ?


No, it's not.

I would be glad to go back through my FB messages from over a year ago where we both agree that LBJ will eventually return to the Cavs! Why would I make that up? That would be pointless. Virtually anyone who followed LBJ either as a fan or as someone who disliked him had a pretty good idea that he'd eventually return to Cleveland to atone for his sins. Just most people thought he'd be 35 or so, not so soon!



I'm talking about the 85% comment. That's what Broussard used on his twitter.

People "knew" one day he would return.. But no one really expected in 2014.


Oh dear god, to know that I unknowingly quoted Chris Broussard has just made me sick to my stomach :noway:
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Re: OFFICIAL: LeBron announces return to Cleveland 

Post#685 » by AgentGreen » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:51 pm

Wade opted out for him, Bosh opted out for him, Riley made a trade for Napier because LeDiva wanted him.

He is like a bitch that you can never satisfy.
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Re: OFFICIAL: LeBron announces return to Cleveland 

Post#686 » by Kidds BAC » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:04 pm

Donald Kaufman wrote:
Chuck Everett wrote:He's kind of right. Shaq didn't win a title until his 8th year in the league. Hakeem schooled him, Jordan schooled him, Malone schooled him. Then he did the schooling.


When did Jordan school him? His Magic beat the Bulls in the '95 playoffs.


Jordan swept him the year after
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Re: OFFICIAL: LeBron announces return to Cleveland 

Post#687 » by Chemthethriller » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:06 pm

|||-Abaddon-||| wrote:I think LeBron handled the move with class with the letter, but lets be honest, in terms of respect, he goes down a few notches once again...and I dont hate him (at least as much as I did before)...

As much as he makes it seem like a hero coming home, he is strategically putting himself in a considerably better place for the next 5-7 years with the potential talent of the current Cavs roster. If Wade was 29 he would have stayed with Miami until they won as many championships as they possible could have. Its nothing personal, its pure strategy, he used Miami just as the organization would callously use and dispose of him when he is no longer needed. The truth is he genuinely thought Miami didn't have at least another 2 years of competing for a championship, they would most likely still storm through the East, but Western competition proves too much for an aging team losing motivation.

So the question comes down to: who can even remotely compete in the East? The East is so pathetic in its current state that the only answer is the Cavs for the simple fact that they stockpiled pick after pick and assembled a roster with very good 5-year horizon. There is no other polarizing player in the league currently that can shift the dynamic of the conferences, so its logical to stay East, and the Cavs kind of win by default...

Perfect storm for the Cavs? If the roster remained from 2010, he wouldn't have even considered them, its why he left in the first place.

But this is why my respect for LeBron goes down: he represents a new class of opportunistic athletes who want the easiest way to a championship. Screw being the top-dog and build a team from the rough beginnings, he is intelligent in the sense that his brand and legacy will inevitably be defined by the number of championships he wins. He isn't Jordan or Shaq, who suffered years of disappointment before leading their teams to trophy's, these battle scars define these players and their attitudes towards the game, and makes their journeys much more memorable. But LeBron simply knows that's all BS, he just wants to win, win as easily as possible, and as much as possible; predominately because he knows no one will remember the minute details, and he'll go down as a winner - creating a sports legacy that will generate millions/billions for years to come like the Jordan brand.

So honestly he isn't a hero, just a shrewd business man and opportunist who knows a good situation when he sees one...but with the letter he handled it so well you can't help but believe he is 'coming home' for the sake of Cleveland, but at the end of the day you know he is going to get his cake and eat it too...


I'm with LBJ on this one... I think it's an understatement on the difficulty of "building a dynasty" how many players in the history of the game have done this? Wilt? Jordan? Shaq? Even then look at these teams... LBJ was stuck with Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden as his other scorers on that team... He realized, he isn't the GM he can't build a team, he can only go out and score almost 30 a game and still come up short.

Michael Jordan didn't build the bulls, Jerry Krause did; without Pippen, Kerr, Longley, Rodman, Kukoc, etc Jordan may have won a ring... But he wouldn't be regarded as the best player ever, he would be last generations Durant.

In the modern era of basketball few teams have had as little talent as that 2007 cavs team and been in the finals, maybe the 2009 Magic.

Regardless LBJ has the understanding that he didn't want to become this generations Barkley, Shawn Kemp, Ewing, or any of the other great players that got stuck on a team that was never won anything.

LBJ didn't want to experience this for 15 years to then try and join a team as a MLE player chasing a title in his mid to late 30s.
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Re: OFFICIAL: LeBron announces return to Cleveland 

Post#688 » by Chemthethriller » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:09 pm

AgentGreen wrote:Wade opted out for him, Bosh opted out for him, Riley made a trade for Napier because LeDiva wanted him.

He is like a bitch that you can never satisfy.


Those were desperation moves to keep him... I doubt the story goes he told them to opt out so they could all take less then turned and left... Regardless, his actions got Bosh paid.
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Re: OFFICIAL: LeBron announces return to Cleveland 

Post#689 » by triplet1984 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:42 pm

Woj article from 2012 (!!!!) about Lebrons campaign to sow the seeds of his return.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/exclusive- ... --nba.html
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Re: OFFICIAL: LeBron announces return to Cleveland 

Post#690 » by qm22 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:59 pm

lol at those FOR6IVEN t-shirts. Acting like the Cavs fan/LeBron hate was rationale all along and that the approval of the illogical thinking fan is a big deal. Man, I kind of thought they were going to stop talking about the decision now that LeBron is back, but I just realized every ESPN pre-game and halftime show is going to be talking about this instead of basketball. Maybe some Cavs fan interviews about their feelings with a Brian Windhorst analysis.
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Re: OFFICIAL: LeBron announces return to Cleveland 

Post#691 » by |||-Abaddon-||| » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:59 pm

Chemthethriller wrote:
|||-Abaddon-||| wrote:I think LeBron handled the move with class with the letter, but lets be honest, in terms of respect, he goes down a few notches once again...and I dont hate him (at least as much as I did before)...

As much as he makes it seem like a hero coming home, he is strategically putting himself in a considerably better place for the next 5-7 years with the potential talent of the current Cavs roster. If Wade was 29 he would have stayed with Miami until they won as many championships as they possible could have. Its nothing personal, its pure strategy, he used Miami just as the organization would callously use and dispose of him when he is no longer needed. The truth is he genuinely thought Miami didn't have at least another 2 years of competing for a championship, they would most likely still storm through the East, but Western competition proves too much for an aging team losing motivation.

So the question comes down to: who can even remotely compete in the East? The East is so pathetic in its current state that the only answer is the Cavs for the simple fact that they stockpiled pick after pick and assembled a roster with very good 5-year horizon. There is no other polarizing player in the league currently that can shift the dynamic of the conferences, so its logical to stay East, and the Cavs kind of win by default...

Perfect storm for the Cavs? If the roster remained from 2010, he wouldn't have even considered them, its why he left in the first place.

But this is why my respect for LeBron goes down: he represents a new class of opportunistic athletes who want the easiest way to a championship. Screw being the top-dog and build a team from the rough beginnings, he is intelligent in the sense that his brand and legacy will inevitably be defined by the number of championships he wins. He isn't Jordan or Shaq, who suffered years of disappointment before leading their teams to trophy's, these battle scars define these players and their attitudes towards the game, and makes their journeys much more memorable. But LeBron simply knows that's all BS, he just wants to win, win as easily as possible, and as much as possible; predominately because he knows no one will remember the minute details, and he'll go down as a winner - creating a sports legacy that will generate millions/billions for years to come like the Jordan brand.

So honestly he isn't a hero, just a shrewd business man and opportunist who knows a good situation when he sees one...but with the letter he handled it so well you can't help but believe he is 'coming home' for the sake of Cleveland, but at the end of the day you know he is going to get his cake and eat it too...


I'm with LBJ on this one... I think it's an understatement on the difficulty of "building a dynasty" how many players in the history of the game have done this? Wilt? Jordan? Shaq? Even then look at these teams... LBJ was stuck with Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden as his other scorers on that team... He realized, he isn't the GM he can't build a team, he can only go out and score almost 30 a game and still come up short.

Michael Jordan didn't build the bulls, Jerry Krause did; without Pippen, Kerr, Longley, Rodman, Kukoc, etc Jordan may have won a ring... But he wouldn't be regarded as the best player ever, he would be last generations Durant.

In the modern era of basketball few teams have had as little talent as that 2007 cavs team and been in the finals, maybe the 2009 Magic.

Regardless LBJ has the understanding that he didn't want to become this generations Barkley, Shawn Kemp, Ewing, or any of the other great players that got stuck on a team that was never won anything.

LBJ didn't want to experience this for 15 years to then try and join a team as a MLE player chasing a title in his mid to late 30s.


Yeah I agree man, great points. LeBron just isn't an old school player, but he is a student of the game and definitely knows where he wants to be at the end of his career. Can't fault him for any of that to be honest.
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Re: OFFICIAL: LeBron announces return to Cleveland 

Post#692 » by Stix » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:23 pm

Good job Riley. Good effort.
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Re: OFFICIAL: LeBron announces return to Cleveland 

Post#693 » by BBgun » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:53 pm

Sorry if this has been asked/established, but have terms of the deal been made known? I'd assume he would be committing to 4-5 years right?
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Re: OFFICIAL: LeBron announces return to Cleveland 

Post#694 » by WOX_69 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:34 am

I had to post this since it's been bugging me. Watching games on TNT and Inside the NBA, sometimes I'm too lazy to change the channel and this show comes on and my mind just spins. HOWEVER the picture of Lebron reminded me of this.

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