Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two

Nowascki · Post #681 » by **Nowascki** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:34 am

I hate to be the person talking about this, but I feel like it's needed. Unfortunately even today, in the modern days, the hatred and prejudice against women runs deeply in America. The #metoo movement exposed this. Kobe was an amazing player, a myth, a legend, but if are being sincere here he also very likely sexually assaulted an innocent woman. Might have even ruined her life. But we don't talk about this. Most people don't even know her name. We only talk about the glory and the fame, but nothing about the bad parts.

And we are talking something global here. The NBA is watched everywhere, and women everywhere live with fear of being sexually assaulted. As a trans woman, I live with this fear too. What kind of message are we sending here when we sweep this under the rug? We need to be mature and talk about the good and bad things in the life of a person. It's very serious, especially in cases like this. And it's disturbing when most of the media and hollywood, who are both industries full of sexism, don't even dare mention it just because Kobe was famous and a millionaire. The part of the media who is mentioning it is suffering fierce and disgusting sexist attacks, like the Washington Post reporter. Is this the NBA we want?

Anyway, this doesn't erase the fact that it was a horrifically sad and tragic accident, I hope all those who died rest in peace.

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Drygon · Post #682 » by **Drygon** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:34 am

clyde21 wrote:
Suppe wrote:
Sgt Major wrote:

Read on Twitter

Kind of corny to do it on Twitter and do it now. Perkins is a (Please Use More Appropriate Word)

Perk is such a weasel

Agreed. It's a manipulative move from Perk.

Perk doing it publicly makes KD look like a jerk if he doesn't want to respond online.

First Take · Post #683 » by **First Take** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:35 am

**** this **** man. RIP Kobe, my brother, good father, competitor, role model, etc. I hope he can look down on us with a smile

clyde21 · Post #684 » by **clyde21** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:36 am

Nowascki wrote:I hate to be the person talking about this, but I feel like it's needed. Unfortunately even today, in the modern days, the hatred and prejudice against women runs deeply in America. The #metoo movement exposed this. Kobe was an amazing player, a myth, a legend, but if are being sincere here he also very likely sexually assaulted an innocent woman. Might have even ruined her life. But we don't talk about this. Most people don't even know her name. We only talk about the glory and the fame, but nothing about the bad parts.

And we are talking something global here. The NBA is watched everywhere, and women everywhere live with fear of being sexually assaulted. As a trans woman, I live with this fear too. What kind of message are we sending here when we sweep this under the rug? We need to be mature and talk about the good and bad things in the life of a person. It's very serious, especially in cases like this. And it's disturbing when most of the media and hollywood, who are both industries full of sexism, don't even dare mention it just because Kobe was famous and a millionaire. The part of the media who is mentioning it is suffering fierce and disgusting sexist attacks, like the Washington Post reporter. Is this the NBA we want?

Anyway, this doesn't erase the fact that it was a horrifically sad and tragic accident, I hope all those who died rest in peace.

no, just stop. don't care that you tried to sugarcoat this either.

Jayt99 · Post #685 » by **Jayt99** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:37 am

Nowascki wrote:I hate to be the person talking about this, but I feel like it's needed. Unfortunately even today, in the modern days, the hatred and prejudice against women runs deeply in America. The #metoo movement exposed this. Kobe was an amazing player, a myth, a legend, but if are being sincere here he also very likely sexually assaulted an innocent woman. Might have even ruined her life. But we don't talk about this. Most people don't even know her name. We only talk about the glory and the fame, but nothing about the bad parts.

And we are talking something global here. The NBA is watched everywhere, and women everywhere live with fear of being sexually assaulted. As a trans woman, I live with this fear too. What kind of message are we sending here when we sweep this under the rug? We need to be mature and talk about the good and bad things in the life of a person. It's very serious, especially in cases like this. And it's disturbing when most of the media and hollywood, who are both industries full of sexism, don't even dare mention it just because Kobe was famous and a millionaire. The part of the media who is mentioning it is suffering fierce and disgusting sexist attacks, like the Washington Post reporter. Is this the NBA we want?

Anyway, this doesn't erase the fact that it was a horrifically sad and tragic accident, I hope all those who died rest in peace.

All metoo exposed was that they were idiots. Kindly take you sjw **** to twitter it's not wanted here.

JB2 · Post #686 » by **JB2** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:46 am

Nowascki wrote:Anyway, this doesn't erase the fact that it was a horrifically sad and tragic accident, I hope all those who died rest in peace.

I'm purposely not quoting you entire post bc I'd like to limit the number of times people see that.

The fact that you started that by he "very likely did X" is exactly why we shouldn't be talking about it. I'm not going to debate you or get into the facts other than the simple one that we don't know. I wish you'd have just left it there. The fact that you reference the me too "movement" makes it all the more unbearable to read.

Yet I did read it. And quite frankly, I'm disappointed you took this as an opportunity to try and tell the world a little bit more about your own struggle and fears. It sucks you have them but they have nothing to do with Kobe. Perhaps there are better places you can gain help to overcome them.

I wish you the best in getting over those but please don't make this an opportunity to champion awareness based on an event that nobody knows what actually happed. This is about a legend of the sport who died in a helicopter crash with his 13 year old daughter (likely cowering in his arms in fear) and other children and parents. Today, and forever, we will honor Kobe, Gianna, and all the other that perished so tragically.

Meeksology · Post #687 » by **Meeksology** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:50 am

Roy The Natural wrote:After spending all day looking at videos and reaction to Kobe's passing I have decided that this isn't real. And I will wake up soon and find out this is all a dream. I can't accept it. It's just too unreal to believe.

I did the same thing all day yesterday and today, and I still cannot accept it. It's unbelievable.

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igorbianch · Post #688 » by **igorbianch** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:50 am

Check on Shaqs son Instagram. He posted many pictures of their Instagram dm...

Kobe was always reaching for him and taking care of him. Really beautiful relationship.

Repeat 3-peat · Post #689 » by **Repeat 3-peat** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:52 am

Watching Kobe willing the Lakers to a win in his last game, so amazing.

Amare_1_Knicks · Post #690 » by **Amare_1_Knicks** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:53 am

Watching Kobe’s last game on ESPN and seeing his daughter’s(Gia) reaction to his performance down the stretch — the way she was lighting up, getting excited, becoming inspired. Painful to watch knowing she’s gone.

Clay Davis · Post #691 » by **Clay Davis** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:56 am

Nowascki wrote:I hate to be the person talking about this, but I feel like it's needed. Unfortunately even today, in the modern days, the hatred and prejudice against women runs deeply in America. The #metoo movement exposed this. Kobe was an amazing player, a myth, a legend, but if are being sincere here he also very likely sexually assaulted an innocent woman. Might have even ruined her life. But we don't talk about this. Most people don't even know her name. We only talk about the glory and the fame, but nothing about the bad parts.

And we are talking something global here. The NBA is watched everywhere, and women everywhere live with fear of being sexually assaulted. As a trans woman, I live with this fear too. What kind of message are we sending here when we sweep this under the rug? We need to be mature and talk about the good and bad things in the life of a person. It's very serious, especially in cases like this. And it's disturbing when most of the media and hollywood, who are both industries full of sexism, don't even dare mention it just because Kobe was famous and a millionaire. The part of the media who is mentioning it is suffering fierce and disgusting sexist attacks, like the Washington Post reporter. Is this the NBA we want?

Anyway, this doesn't erase the fact that it was a horrifically sad and tragic accident, I hope all those who died rest in peace.

Well to be honest, it's a good thing people don't know that young woman's name. She'd be subjected to serious harassment day in and day out.

Whatever actually happened (and Kobe's words speak volumes about it), all indications point towards him growing past it and becoming a better person. Whether or not you choose to celebrate his life comes down to whether or not you believe that people can change. The legal system did its thing, the truth was stated somewhat symmetrically by both parties, there was a purposefully opaque settlement process, and that is that. What followed the legal dilemma was us all seeing him appear in public as a dedicated father to four girls and help people -- both male and female -- enjoy, compete, and learn the sport that we all love.

Air Apparent · Post #692 » by **Air Apparent** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:58 am

Optms wrote:
Repeat 3-peat wrote:

Read on Twitter

Holy crap this is epic on so many levels

yoooo hahah kobeeeeeeee :lol:

Repeat 3-peat · Post #693 » by **Repeat 3-peat** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:02 am

Optms wrote:
Repeat 3-peat wrote:

Read on Twitter

Holy crap this is epic on so many levels

Kobe loved the word soft :lol:

RoyceDa59 · Post #694 » by **RoyceDa59** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:04 am

Today I burned one down in honour of Kobe and threw on some great tracks to help soften the blow. Thought I'd share a few of em with you guys:

Watch on YouTube

Tracymcgoaty · Post #695 » by **Tracymcgoaty** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:07 am

Nowascki wrote:I hate to be the person talking about this, but I feel like it's needed. Unfortunately even today, in the modern days, the hatred and prejudice against women runs deeply in America. The #metoo movement exposed this. Kobe was an amazing player, a myth, a legend, but if are being sincere here he also very likely sexually assaulted an innocent woman. Might have even ruined her life. But we don't talk about this. Most people don't even know her name. We only talk about the glory and the fame, but nothing about the bad parts.

And we are talking something global here. The NBA is watched everywhere, and women everywhere live with fear of being sexually assaulted. As a trans woman, I live with this fear too. What kind of message are we sending here when we sweep this under the rug? We need to be mature and talk about the good and bad things in the life of a person. It's very serious, especially in cases like this. And it's disturbing when most of the media and hollywood, who are both industries full of sexism, don't even dare mention it just because Kobe was famous and a millionaire. The part of the media who is mentioning it is suffering fierce and disgusting sexist attacks, like the Washington Post reporter. Is this the NBA we want?

Anyway, this doesn't erase the fact that it was a horrifically sad and tragic accident, I hope all those who died rest in peace.

RIght we need to be honest..So please explain to me the deep rooted hatred for women seeping through men all throughout the US.

Cafu · Post #696 » by **Cafu** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:09 am

Repeat 3-peat wrote:
Optms wrote:
Repeat 3-peat wrote:

Read on Twitter

Holy crap this is epic on so many levels

Kobe loved the word soft

And execute :lol:

GordanFreeman · Post #697 » by **GordanFreeman** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:11 am

Nowascki wrote:I hate to be the person talking about this... I hope all those who died rest in peace.

Spoiler:

Meeksology · Post #698 » by **Meeksology** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:13 am

Wilber85 wrote:Being a father this hits hard. I just saw this post and wanted to share

Can you even imagine how difficult it was for him in that moment? The moment he knew that not only his own life was about to end, but that of his daughter...a life he helped create.

Can you imagine how he felt as a father knowing he couldn't protect her?

Can you imagine him holding her, consoling her, telling her he loved her as that helicopter went down?

As a parent, I can tell you, Kobe Bryant's greatest fear was realized today. And it wasn't the fear for his own life, but for that of his beautiful daughter.

Because as a parent, your life means nothing in comparison to the lives of your children.

We live for our children. We breathe for our children. They are our reason for being.

We would also die for them, without hesitation.

Without question, without a moments notice, we would lay down our own lives to ensure theirs.

Just thinking of his internal struggle in those last moments tears my heart into pieces.
He knew his daughter's young life was ending. He knew he was leaving 3 other precious children behind. Oh, how his heart must have ached!

Can you even imagine the agony that played out in his mind? Every parents worst nightmare happening to him in real time.

He was there when his sweet girl took her first breath, and he was there with her when she took her last.

And that's the only solace I can find in this...that he was there. In her final moments, her daddy was there to remind her of his undying love.

And with everything in me, I hope that baby felt every ounce of love her daddy had for her. I hope it overwhelmed her, and carried her straight into paradise.

Because I know that's all her daddy wanted too.

Rest in peace Kobe and Gigi. Our hearts mourn you

Hug your children extra tight tonight, mamas and daddies. Tomorrow is never promised.

This swelled me up. This was my exact thinking when I finally was able to accept that this could be real. Truly sad.

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TimRobbins · Post #699 » by **TimRobbins** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:25 am

TroyD92 wrote:
TimRobbins wrote:
Ambrose wrote:It was Kobe's private pilot. People said Kobe refused to fly with anyone but him.

That makes it even more bizarre since everything we know about the incident suggests a huge pilot error, from the fact chose to fly in bad whether conditions to his mishandling of the situation which resulted in the crash.

Human error is a thing. I really hope you don’t put that same level of expectation on people you love. It was a tragic accident and putting blame on someone is just...

I'd didn't say anything about expectations. It was human error. Human errors happen. This one cost the live of Kobe and 9 others. The blame is there, like it or not.

rewill17 · Post #700 » by **rewill17** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:27 am