Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando

[Johnny Bball]

It is quite literally impossible to know the long term side effects of the vaccine. I wouldnt judge anyone who would decide against taking it. For many people, the known risk of the virus might be more palatable than the unknown risk of the vaccine.

What are you talking about....if this is about mercury there are no long term effects from that little of an exposure. And no, your body does not collect toxins endlessly. Whatever you people are reading you need to be more selective and know where you don't know more than people that did it for a lifetime

Im not some conspiracy nut, lol. Im telling you what should be self evidently true; you cannot know long term effects when a study doesnt go long term. Personally, i know the risks involved with contracting COVID. Im young, healthy and have no cormobidities. If im putting my health first, which i always suggest everybody should do, then taking an unknown vaccine at this point in time is not worth it for me.

Do you know the difference between a live and dead vaccine? And if you think there is less risk with contracting covid vs a vaccine, since there is never no risk, just as there never is with infection, there is zero chance you do know the risk of both... unless you're a child.

[mademan]

What are you talking about....if this is about mercury there are no long term effects from that little of an exposure. And no, your body does not collect toxins endlessly. Whatever you people are reading you need to be more selective and know where you don't know more than people that did it for a lifetime

Im not some conspiracy nut, lol. Im telling you what should be self evidently true; you cannot know long term effects when a study doesnt go long term. Personally, i know the risks involved with contracting COVID. Im young, healthy and have no cormobidities. If im putting my health first, which i always suggest everybody should do, then taking an unknown vaccine at this point in time is not worth it for me.

Do you know the difference between a live and dead vaccine? And if you think there is less risk with contracting covid vs a vaccine, since there is never no risk, just as there never is with infection, there is zero chance you do know the risk of both... unless you're a child.

I didnt say there was less risk of contracting COVID. I was clearly talking about the negative effects of contracting COVID vs the possible long term effects of a fast tracked vaccine. Regardless of how stringent every step is, you cant just take time out of the equation. Knowing the actual long term effects of any vaccine is impossible until we get to the long term. We do know the effects of COVID, at least reasonably well to a degree. I see nothing irrational about a healthy, young person deciding against taking the vaccine.

[DavidDunn21]

Imagine thinking that NBA players, the best at their craft, who most likely worked their way up from an embarrassingly under-served community, are just rich and have no responsibilities. As opposed to the hard-working owners who let their team rot in 10th seed mediocrity every year, bleed money, and have their asset double and triple in value based on what the players are doing on the court.

We wanna watch the players not the owners.

We wanna like the players not the owners.

When the players mock us for wanting to like and watch the players, and when the dumbest narcissist in recent memory leads them expect blowback.

[Pharmcat]

It is quite literally impossible to know the long term side effects of the vaccine. I wouldnt judge anyone who would decide against taking it. For many people, the known risk of the virus might be more palatable than the unknown risk of the vaccine.

What are you talking about....if this is about mercury there are no long term effects from that little of an exposure. And no, your body does not collect toxins endlessly. Whatever you people are reading you need to be more selective and know where you don't know more than people that did it for a lifetime

Im not some conspiracy nut, lol. Im telling you what should be self evidently true; you cannot know long term effects when a study doesnt go long term. Personally, i know the risks involved with contracting COVID. Im young, healthy and have no cormobidities. If im putting my health first, which i always suggest everybody should do, then taking an unknown vaccine at this point in time is not worth it for me.

We don't fully know the long term effects of covid yet either ...some people have scarring in lungs post infection ...for an athlete if they get that their pro career is going to be over if that happens to them

[Time for Change]

End of the calendar year for a vaccine like everyone is guessing would seem right. Or find a way to lockdown support staff like pretty much everyone thought they would.

What do you mean like everyone is guessing? The estimates by experts at end of April was 12-18 months as the goal. The more advanced vaccine trials are in stage 2 still, and only a few have betted on themselves to actually start production on their vaccine. I am optimistic and really hoping these vaccines see the light, but it would be an incredible turnaround if they did as vaccines usually take several years.

Would you like to lay money on it?

There’s already multiple vaccines. It’s only the trials that are pending. And at least one of those that’s Canadian will be done by end of calendar year. In less ethical places with less restrictions, the trials are going to take as long.

And they are ready shortened the testing from the ethical standpoint oretty much everywhere from several years, in light of the need. They used the sars vaccine work that never finished to get ahead.

There is absolutely no way there is a vaccine by the end of the year.

The trials you are talking about are the small preliminary trials, that are just to make sure the vaccine doesn’t cause extreme side effects like seizures or kidney failure or something that cripple a significant percentage who take it. They are just so they can safely start the wider trials which take a year minimum, usually much longer. For example, they need to test for effects on pregnancy, so that is 9 months plus at least few more to make sure the baby doesn’t have any obvious problems. It just can’t be rushed if you want to ethically tell people to get vaccinated.

[Johnny Bball]

What do you mean like everyone is guessing? The estimates by experts at end of April was 12-18 months as the goal. The more advanced vaccine trials are in stage 2 still, and only a few have betted on themselves to actually start production on their vaccine. I am optimistic and really hoping these vaccines see the light, but it would be an incredible turnaround if they did as vaccines usually take several years.

Would you like to lay money on it?

There’s already multiple vaccines. It’s only the trials that are pending. And at least one of those that’s Canadian will be done by end of calendar year. In less ethical places with less restrictions, the trials are going to take as long.

And they are ready shortened the testing from the ethical standpoint oretty much everywhere from several years, in light of the need. They used the sars vaccine work that never finished to get ahead.

There is absolutely no way there is a vaccine by the end of the year.

The trials you are talking about are the small preliminary trials, that are just to make sure the vaccine doesn’t cause extreme side effects like seizures or kidney failure or something that cripple a significant percentage who take it. They are just so they can safely start the wider trials which take a year minimum, usually much longer. For example, they need to test for effects on pregnancy, so that is 9 months plus at least few more to make sure the baby doesn’t have any obvious problems. It just can’t be rushed if you want to ethically tell people to get vaccinated.

You think they will need to test it for pregnancy before releasing it to the rest of the population? Lol guy, no. They will just say not for pregnant and nursing mother. It’s a pandemic ?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html

The earliest two are tracking fall. I’m not sure why so many people insist on talking right out their ass on this without reading anything. Just read it. I’m done with crazy..

[C3H6N6O6]

I would only give the vaccine to my parents because it would be worth the risk given their old age.
I am not taking any vaccine created in such a short period. We don't know the long term effects. I would rather risk getting Covid and recovering from it.

[GhosDini]

Imagine thinking that NBA players, the best at their craft, who most likely worked their way up from an embarrassingly under-served community, are just rich and have no responsibilities. As opposed to the hard-working owners who let their team rot in 10th seed mediocrity every year, bleed money, and have their asset double and triple in value based on what the players are doing on the court.

We wanna watch the players not the owners.

We wanna like the players not the owners.

When the players mock us for wanting to like and watch the players, and when the dumbest narcissist in recent memory leads them expect blowback.

Kyrie should just "Shut up and dribble", right?

[basketballRob]

How can a bubble have holes? Once the surface breaks, the entire bubble pops. I just can't get over that they called this a bubble, it's pretty hilarious

I doubt it. If one person gets it they sit out a minimum of 7 games, that's all. It's not like half the league will get it, if one person gets it

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[basketballRob]

Lol. I'm surprised at all the people that don't want them to play basketball at all and will continue try to throw out reasons.

You also forgot that it will be very hot. Plus a boy was killed by an alligator at Disney a few years ago.

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I am surprised at all the people that want to watch a Bush League version of the NBA when we have a pandemic and social injustice protests going on...but, hey gotta have that non essential entertainment, right?

The Roman Circus must go on to distract, huh?

I wonder if Rob realizes that it’s kinda hard to play in a arena with no electricity.

Sounds like a Karen upset about not getting a haircut.

They have generators at Disney, they're a 130 billion dollar corporation. Hurricane's this far inland aren't that bad. I think I've lost power 5 hours in 20 years.

You sound like Antifa in your mom's basement.

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[mademan]

What are you talking about....if this is about mercury there are no long term effects from that little of an exposure. And no, your body does not collect toxins endlessly. Whatever you people are reading you need to be more selective and know where you don't know more than people that did it for a lifetime

Im not some conspiracy nut, lol. Im telling you what should be self evidently true; you cannot know long term effects when a study doesnt go long term. Personally, i know the risks involved with contracting COVID. Im young, healthy and have no cormobidities. If im putting my health first, which i always suggest everybody should do, then taking an unknown vaccine at this point in time is not worth it for me.

We don't fully know the long term effects of covid yet either ...some people have scarring in lungs post infection ...for an athlete if they get that their pro career is going to be over if that happens to them

as i said, 'reasonably well'. We understand virology well too. All things considered, for most young and healthy people, this is taking a fast tracked vaccine for a virus that, at an individual level, isnt very injurious and very to extremely far from lethal.

[NBA Sheady]

Not to be too crass, but when’s the last time any of these guys went more than a week without getting laid?

This is probably the biggest vector for any of these athletes contracting the virus in Orlando.

These guys are going to be importing sex workers for sure. They will pay off security.

[NBA Sheady]

The only thing I need to understand and get more information on is the social justice dynamic. I don’t see how playing basketball or playing competitively at the highest level would diminish or take away from anything that’s going on right now.

Just consider that Sony delayed the release of their PlayStation and why.

They stated that they don't want to drown out any other voices.

[Catchall]

Just wanna interject on here, but do you wanna be the guinea pig? I mean say its true and the vaccine does cone out say... late November/early December.. you gonna be the first in line to get it? Assuming its also mass-produced?

You don't think more conservative people would wait 2-3months more to see if there are any side effects?

If you aren't scared and willing I mean heck there are talks/rumours that china already has a vaccine finished, why not try it out then for those who want speed more than safety?

Would I have volunteered to do something that might benefit everyone with little downside risk as part of a human trial? Lol. Of course. And you're asking if I would wait until it's past that stage? Uh... no, I'm gonna be good.

Wait.... what do you think the human trails are for if not effectiveness and side effects? You think you can just buy it while it's in trial?

Normally vaccines are tested for long periods of time (we're talking years), not months.

I'm not in any hurry to take a covid-19 vaccine that's been rushed to market. There are already 5 strains of this virus, which people know little about, and a vaccine could actually be a health risk that does more damage than good. I'm at low risk of harm from covid-19 to begin with.

[NBA Sheady]

Several of these players joined large, tightly-packed crowds to protest against police brutality just this past week. It's not clear if players are opposed to playing because they want to social distance to avoid the virus, or they're complaining because they don't want to be isolated.

If they were at a protest, they clearly aren’t affraid of covid.

I protested. I was afraid of covid the entire time.

Some of us believe in things so strongly we're willing to take risks to support them.

[kassian]

I get where Dwight and Kyrie are coming from but they have to bring something else to the table, as a plan. Sitting out and hurting the pockets of other black athletes isn't going to cut it. You're literally hurting your own base. You can't have a revolutionary movement without a concrete plan on what you're trying to accomplish. I mean you're talking about a flat earther and Dwight here.

What Dwight and Kyrie have in mind as a 'plan' (to shut down a league that does a lot for black communities) is a walking contradiction.

[Johnny Bball]

Im not some conspiracy nut, lol. Im telling you what should be self evidently true; you cannot know long term effects when a study doesnt go long term. Personally, i know the risks involved with contracting COVID. Im young, healthy and have no cormobidities. If im putting my health first, which i always suggest everybody should do, then taking an unknown vaccine at this point in time is not worth it for me.

We don't fully know the long term effects of covid yet either ...some people have scarring in lungs post infection ...for an athlete if they get that their pro career is going to be over if that happens to them

as i said, 'reasonably well'. We understand virology well too. All things considered, for most young and healthy people, this is taking a fast tracked vaccine for a virus that, at an individual level, isnt very injurious and very to extremely far from lethal.

With no live virus in it... what is you imagination picturing that's in it that is so incredibly harmful? A 100 grams of Cyanide?

And far from lethal and isn't injurious is just willfully ignorant.

If you don't understand virology or exposure rates to minuscule harmful chemicals now, you're not likely to understand it when the vaccine is ready, so I see little changing with you're anti-vax stance. Which IS what this is.

[RookieStar]

The only thing I need to understand and get more information on is the social justice dynamic. I don’t see how playing basketball or playing competitively at the highest level would diminish or take away from anything that’s going on right now.

Just consider that Sony delayed the release of their PlayStation and why.

They stated that they don't want to drown out any other voices.

OFFICIALLY they did.

Snidely, some insiders ( ok maybe a few store owners that I know of ) claimed they didn't want their PS5 be a reason to have another riot just to be looted from their stores.

[Cavaliers2]

It is quite literally impossible to know the long term side effects of the vaccine. I wouldnt judge anyone who would decide against taking it. For many people, the known risk of the virus might be more palatable than the unknown risk of the vaccine.

What are you talking about....if this is about mercury there are no long term effects from that little of an exposure. And no, your body does not collect toxins endlessly. Whatever you people are reading you need to be more selective and know where you don't know more than people that did it for a lifetime

Im not some conspiracy nut, lol. Im telling you what should be self evidently true; you cannot know long term effects when a study doesnt go long term. Personally, i know the risks involved with contracting COVID. Im young, healthy and have no cormobidities. If im putting my health first, which i always suggest everybody should do, then taking an unknown vaccine at this point in time is not worth it for me.

Wait how do you know the long term effects of COVID? Was there a long term study on it?

[basketballwacko2]

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Fine let them sit it out. No ring if the team wins and no paycheck for any games after the shutdown.