NBA MVP Discussion 20/21 (Fresh poll ➥ Vote)

[Swag]

Still have time to climb the standings

If the Warriors had a better record Curry would be the MVP by a landslide.

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[Gibson22]

Embiid
Lebron
Jokic
Giannis
Kawhi

[DCasey91]

It’s a raffle right now between James/Embiid. James definitely has the narrative and is the flavor of the week with 2ot/ot wins (the lone hand in both of em)

Curry is the value bet (massive, massive darkhorse imo) this season isn’t that far of his absurd mvp season. This year in particular offense has been going nutso.

Watch Curry if he goes bonkers in the 2nd half (no all stars around, might be a better chance than Jokic in the end).

[The Master]

Watch Curry if he goes bonkers in the 2nd half (no all stars around, might be a better chance than Jokic in the end).

There's no way Warriors are competitive in today's West with this roster unfortunately. They'll be happy if they get to 39-33 record and secure playoff spot, that won't be enough.

[DCasey91]

Yeah it’s unfortunate his team is awful on offense without him and he’s definitely having an mvp like season on production stats/numbers. Entertainment wise though Curry is box office.

[chaimer]

ESPN's new article on early MVP favorites, including 100 media members poll:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30827963/which-player-early-lead-nba-mvp-race

[Homer38]

ESPN's new article on early MVP favorites, including 100 media members poll:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30827963/which-player-early-lead-nba-mvp-race

Interesting

[Homer38]

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[worldjbfree]

Embiid for me at this point - best player on the best team.

[WHITE_HOT_HEAT]

If dubs can secure a top 6 seed in the West and Curry keeps this up he would absolutely deserve it.

NO. Steph shouldn't enter the conversation until Dubs are at-least top 5 in the entire NBA. Otherwise no! Goes to the best player on the best regular season team.

Jokic has also unfortunately slipped out due to this. Embiid and LeBron at the top with Embiid holding the edge due to stats. Mitchell is probably 3rd with Giannis and Kawhi rounding up 4th and 5th.

[MindState]

If dubs can secure a top 6 seed in the West and Curry keeps this up he would absolutely deserve it.

NO. Steph shouldn't enter the conversation until Dubs are at-least top 5 in the entire NBA. Otherwise no! Goes to the best player on the best regular season team.

Jokic has also unfortunately slipped out due to this. Embiid and LeBron at the top with Embiid holding the edge due to stats. Mitchell is probably 3rd with Giannis and Kawhi rounding up 4th and 5th.

Best player on best team makes no sense.

KD would have won the MVP in 2017 and 2018 if that was the case. You have to consider other factors. LeBron is only in the conversation because AD is apparently washed up and is no longer an all-star.

Curry has the worst supporting cast in the NBA and is getting double/triple teamed any second he is on the court. If he can get into the top 4 of the west with this cast, hes the MVP. Especially missing his 2nd best player all year due to injury. Narrative and circumstances matter.

[nzahir]

Embiid for me at this point - best player on the best team.

Utah and Lakers currently have better records...

I have them both very close

Embiid mvp odds keep getting worse and worse to bet (4-1), considering taking him as a hedge to Lebron (was 9-1 when I made it, currently 2-1)

I don't think anyone else has a chance unless Nuggets finish top 2 and Jokic is putting up these insane numbers

[Homer38]

If dubs can secure a top 6 seed in the West and Curry keeps this up he would absolutely deserve it.

NO. Steph shouldn't enter the conversation until Dubs are at-least top 5 in the entire NBA. Otherwise no! Goes to the best player on the best regular season team.

Jokic has also unfortunately slipped out due to this. Embiid and LeBron at the top with Embiid holding the edge due to stats. Mitchell is probably 3rd with Giannis and Kawhi rounding up 4th and 5th.

Best player on best team makes no sense.

KD would have won the MVP in 2017 and 2018 if that was the case. You have to consider other factors. LeBron is only in the conversation because AD is apparently washed up and is no longer an all-star.

Curry has the worst supporting cast in the NBA and is getting double/triple teamed any second he is on the court. If he can get into the top 4 of the west with this cast, hes the MVP. Especially missing his 2nd best player all year due to injury. Narrative and circumstances matter.

The warriors had not the best record in the NBA in 2018 and in 2017,KD was not a first team all-nba....

[mademan]

If dubs can secure a top 6 seed in the West and Curry keeps this up he would absolutely deserve it.

NO. Steph shouldn't enter the conversation until Dubs are at-least top 5 in the entire NBA. Otherwise no! Goes to the best player on the best regular season team.

Jokic has also unfortunately slipped out due to this. Embiid and LeBron at the top with Embiid holding the edge due to stats. Mitchell is probably 3rd with Giannis and Kawhi rounding up 4th and 5th.

Best player on best team makes no sense.

KD would have won the MVP in 2017 and 2018 if that was the case. You have to consider other factors. LeBron is only in the conversation because AD is apparently washed up and is no longer an all-star.

Curry has the worst supporting cast in the NBA and is getting double/triple teamed any second he is on the court. If he can get into the top 4 of the west with this cast, hes the MVP. Especially missing his 2nd best player all year due to injury. Narrative and circumstances matter.

KD was never the clear cut best player on those 2017 2018 Warriors tho. And like you said in your last sentence, narrative and circumstance matter. Lebron doing this in year 18 matters. KD and Steph both blowing 3-1 leads right before they joined forces matters. KD coulda had a GOAT season in 2017 and i dont think he woulda got it.

And they didnt even have the best record in 2018.

[trickshot]

If dubs can secure a top 6 seed in the West and Curry keeps this up he would absolutely deserve it.

NO. Steph shouldn't enter the conversation until Dubs are at-least top 5 in the entire NBA. Otherwise no! Goes to the best player on the best regular season team.

Jokic has also unfortunately slipped out due to this. Embiid and LeBron at the top with Embiid holding the edge due to stats. Mitchell is probably 3rd with Giannis and Kawhi rounding up 4th and 5th.

Best player on best team makes no sense.

KD would have won the MVP in 2017 and 2018 if that was the case. You have to consider other factors. LeBron is only in the conversation because AD is apparently washed up and is no longer an all-star.

Curry has the worst supporting cast in the NBA and is getting double/triple teamed any second he is on the court. If he can get into the top 4 of the west with this cast, hes the MVP. Especially missing his 2nd best player all year due to injury. Narrative and circumstances matter.

In 2018 the MVP did go to the best player (Harden) on the best team (65-17). Same in 19 and 20.

edit: In fact same the years Curry won it in 15 and 16 and the years before that

edit actually the further back one goes in the records the further I realise it's a bit of a myth around Nba circles that the criteria overlooked KD. Outside of 16/17 when there was a huge narrative bias they never had the best record in the league. The MVPs throughout the time of the Warriors dynasty went to players on teams with the best records, which was never actually the Warriors

[WHITE_HOT_HEAT]

NO. Steph shouldn't enter the conversation until Dubs are at-least top 5 in the entire NBA. Otherwise no! Goes to the best player on the best regular season team.

Jokic has also unfortunately slipped out due to this. Embiid and LeBron at the top with Embiid holding the edge due to stats. Mitchell is probably 3rd with Giannis and Kawhi rounding up 4th and 5th.

Best player on best team makes no sense.

KD would have won the MVP in 2017 and 2018 if that was the case. You have to consider other factors. LeBron is only in the conversation because AD is apparently washed up and is no longer an all-star.

Curry has the worst supporting cast in the NBA and is getting double/triple teamed any second he is on the court. If he can get into the top 4 of the west with this cast, hes the MVP. Especially missing his 2nd best player all year due to injury. Narrative and circumstances matter.

In 2018 the MVP did go to the best player (Harden) on the best team (65-17). Same in 19 and 20.

edit: In fact same the years Curry won it in 15 and 16 and the years before that

edit actually the further back one goes in the records the further I realise it's a bit of a myth around Nba circles that the criteria overlooked KD. Outside of 16/17 when there was a huge narrative bias they never had the best record in the league. The MVPs throughout the time of the Warriors dynasty went to players on teams with the best records, which was never actually the Warriors

Exactly. Silly comment by the poster to my OP. Made no sense at all.

[dygaction]

As of the afternoon of February 9th, with movement in the last week.

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1. 20.5 - Jokic, DEN +1
2. 19.9 - Leonard, LAC -1
3. 19.2 - James, LAL +2
4. 19.1 - Embiid, PHI
5. 18.5 - Conley, UTA -2

6. 16.7 - Middleton, MIL +2
7. 16.7 - Gobert, UTA -1
8. 16.3 - George, LAC +1
9. 15.9 - Antetokounmpo, MIL (n/a)
10. 15.5 - Davis, LAL

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As predicted last week, Conley drops two spots despite going 4-0, showing that the formula is starting to normalize.

The formula represents James' great week in an accurate way, instead of slipping into the recency bias (not to speak of other biases) that is human nature.

I also predicted last week that Leonard would drop slightly, which is what he did this week.

Antetokounmpo makes his first appearance after averaging 27/12/5 with 2 blocks per game as Milwaukee went 4-0 with an average MoV of 19 points. Notably, he hit over 74% of his free throws over this stretch after starting the season at 59%.

Durant drops out of the top ten.

Whatever formula you are using to make postseason Meddle-a-ton ranks higher than Greek Freak needs a revision...

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Year 18

[scrabbarista]

As of the afternoon of February 9th, with movement in the last week.

----------------------------------------------------

1. 20.5 - Jokic, DEN +1
2. 19.9 - Leonard, LAC -1
3. 19.2 - James, LAL +2
4. 19.1 - Embiid, PHI
5. 18.5 - Conley, UTA -2

6. 16.7 - Middleton, MIL +2
7. 16.7 - Gobert, UTA -1
8. 16.3 - George, LAC +1
9. 15.9 - Antetokounmpo, MIL (n/a)
10. 15.5 - Davis, LAL

-----------------------------------------------------

As predicted last week, Conley drops two spots despite going 4-0, showing that the formula is starting to normalize.

The formula represents James' great week in an accurate way, instead of slipping into the recency bias (not to speak of other biases) that is human nature.

I also predicted last week that Leonard would drop slightly, which is what he did this week.

Antetokounmpo makes his first appearance after averaging 27/12/5 with 2 blocks per game as Milwaukee went 4-0 with an average MoV of 19 points. Notably, he hit over 74% of his free throws over this stretch after starting the season at 59%.

Durant drops out of the top ten.

Whatever formula you are using to make postseason Meddle-a-ton ranks higher than Greek Freak needs a revision...

Nah.

[KyRo23]

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Year 18

Game tying 3 for OT

He’s gunning for that MVP