2021-22 Rookie Thread

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Who will be the three best rookies?

Cade Cunningham
130
14%
Jalen Green
148
16%
Evan Mobley
187
21%
Scottie Barnes
225
25%
Jalen Suggs
51
6%
Josh Giddey
82
9%
Jonathan Kuminga
6
1%
Trey Murphy
11
1%
James Bouknight
15
2%
Other
44
5%
 
Total votes: 899

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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#681 » by DCasey91 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:39 am

QPR wrote:I remember Durant came into the league in a similar situation as a skinny rookie expected to be a first or second option on a poor team - he averaged 20ppg in his first season but he shot 43% and under 30% from 3, and there were some big games in amongst a bunch of poor shooting nights.


Next season he grew up, put on size and figured out NBA defenses. I expect it will be similar for Green.



Difference is KD is long as heck and over 50% of games in his rookie season (44/80) he scored 20 or more and averaged 5.6 FTA’s a game. He was a natural ATG scorer from day dot.

LBJ (though LBJ had the more complete game obviously) had worse and Carmelo had better ratios.
Antman is bang on 50% and all are more physically ready for NBA.

... and Zion was like I ain’t no damn teenager hulk go smash lol he was All Star level same deal with Luka post DSJ trade.

Now today with scoring inflation I don’t see that kind of consistency with Green
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#682 » by zimpy27 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:56 am

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Funcrusher wrote:it's been 5 games.


Yes it is, he's been disappointing so far


Would you say Barnes has been good so far? Or would you say no comment is valid yet either positive or negative?

yes, i would say Barnes is playing good, but I'm not going to project too much out of him from 5 games. same thing with Green, who i've criticized quite a bit in fact. Saying someone has been a disappointment in their first 5 games in the NBA is textbook "prisoner of the moment" disease. Like, yeah he hasn't been good thus far. So what?


I said he'd been disappointing so far.. I didn't say he was a disappointment or some other absolute outcome.

I think perhaps you must have perceived my initial message as that.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#683 » by Funcrusher » Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:00 am

zimpy27 wrote:
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Yes it is, he's been disappointing so far


Would you say Barnes has been good so far? Or would you say no comment is valid yet either positive or negative?

yes, i would say Barnes is playing good, but I'm not going to project too much out of him from 5 games. same thing with Green, who i've criticized quite a bit in fact. Saying someone has been a disappointment in their first 5 games in the NBA is textbook "prisoner of the moment" disease. Like, yeah he hasn't been good thus far. So what?


I said he'd been disappointing so far.. I didn't say he was a disappointment or some other absolute outcome.

I think perhaps you must have perceived my initial message as that.

it seems that way, and yeah, my apologies then
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#684 » by stanch sabonis » Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:05 am

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QPR wrote:I remember Durant came into the league in a similar situation as a skinny rookie expected to be a first or second option on a poor team - he averaged 20ppg in his first season but he shot 43% and under 30% from 3, and there were some big games in amongst a bunch of poor shooting nights.


Next season he grew up, put on size and figured out NBA defenses. I expect it will be similar for Green.



Difference is KD is long as heck and over 50% of games in his rookie season (44/80) he scored 20 or more and averaged 5.6 FTA’s a game. He was a natural ATG scorer from day dot.

LBJ (though LBJ had the more complete game obviously) had worse and Carmelo had better ratios.
Antman is bang on 50% and all are more physically ready for NBA.

... and Zion was like I ain’t no damn teenager hulk go smash lol he was All Star level same deal with Luka post DSJ trade.

Now today with scoring inflation I don’t see that kind of consistency with Green

lol Trae averaged 30 PPG in this league. Jalen's frame won't be the determining factor for his success. What is real is the fact that he is one of the most explosive guards to come into the league in a long time. His speed and first step is relentless. If his shot is even halfway respectable this kid will be a beast.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#685 » by DCasey91 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:17 am

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QPR wrote:I remember Durant came into the league in a similar situation as a skinny rookie expected to be a first or second option on a poor team - he averaged 20ppg in his first season but he shot 43% and under 30% from 3, and there were some big games in amongst a bunch of poor shooting nights.


Next season he grew up, put on size and figured out NBA defenses. I expect it will be similar for Green.



Difference is KD is long as heck and over 50% of games in his rookie season (44/80) he scored 20 or more and averaged 5.6 FTA’s a game. He was a natural ATG scorer from day dot.

LBJ (though LBJ had the more complete game obviously) had worse and Carmelo had better ratios.
Antman is bang on 50% and all are more physically ready for NBA.

... and Zion was like I ain’t no damn teenager hulk go smash lol he was All Star level same deal with Luka post DSJ trade.

Now today with scoring inflation I don’t see that kind of consistency with Green

lol Trae averaged 30 PPG in this league. Jalen's frame won't be the determining factor for his success. What is real is the fact that he is one of the most explosive guards to come into the league in a long time. His speed and first step is relentless. If his shot is even halfway respectable this kid will be a beast.


My man look beyond his freaky functional yet slight frame and actually look at his game.

Young opens up his scoring game via being an elite ballhandler/passer/facilitator/live dribbler and brings a ton of halfcourt manipulation because his reading skills are very advanced. 5.1 FTA’s in his rookie year and was using the floater as a means for developing a shot over the big men. Trae is actually a very very smart basketball player (most assists, most 10+ assists since entering). Always like watching him when he’s on. More strings to his bow for me than score and do nothing else guards. He really is a hawk.

Watch his head next time he plays. Elite scanner something Green probably doesn’t even know or honed to the basic level let alone really advanced stuff just going off when he has the ball in hand in live play facilitating. There’s levels here he’s going to be Nash/Lillard’s love child.

Green atm has an inconsistent 3ball and that’s it. Still hasn’t improved his foul drawing/facilitating skills/in between game hence why I’ve dampened my expectations on him. It’s going to take awhile to get up to scratch. Could be hyper Beal or could be Clarkson 6th man the variance is big. Means to say with that kind of freak athleticism and say not even Luka but more like a Conley great lvl iq of the game then your talking about best player in the draft by far.

You don’t think Greens frame will be detrimental if he doesn’t round out his game?

The red flags were before coming into the NBA with the extremely low foul rate, low assist to high turnover, I still like him but let’s not act there’s not real concerns here.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#686 » by PlatinumState » Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:42 am

Was Corey Kispert a wasted pick?
Id think a 4 year college player would settle in more easily, or is he just not nba material?
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#687 » by God Squad » Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:50 am

PlatinumState wrote:Was Corey Kispert a wasted pick?
Id think a 4 year college player would settle in more easily, or is he just not nba material?

A lot of people in the general board draft thread felt he was, or that their are far better options for the NBA game. I'm not gonna call him a wasted pick yet, but so far in the limited minutes hes not very serviceable yet. ( I wouldn't have drafted him at 15)
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#688 » by Statlanta » Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:56 am

Which Rookies should have their playing time reduced so far?

Which Rookies need more minutes?
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#689 » by PD28 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:40 am

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basketballRob wrote:You make an argument that Franz has been better than Scottie so far.

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Based on what? Scottie has more points, rebounds, assists, FG%, FT%

Franz has done better in steals, blocks, and turnovers which is a pointless comparison cause Scottie plays PG minutes and runs the offense at times

If you truly think there’s a way to stretch things numbers to say that Franz has been better than Scottie, then may I suggest you look at our 46th pick vs Suggs per36?
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You’re reaching too far. Scottie > Franz

Franz so far is a spot up shooter, who can attack if given space. Sub par rebounder, passer and ball handler. How you even think it's close is beyond me.

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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#690 » by God Squad » Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:41 am

Statlanta wrote:Which Rookies should have their playing time reduced so far?

Which Rookies need more minutes?


Reduced? I'm not sure as I think most of the rookies are over-performing. Maybe Suggs because he sucks handling/scoring right now. But I think he needs to play through it. If he still sucks once the Magic get Fultz/Issac then reduce his role or minutes a bit.

Increased - Jalen Johnson - Sengun - Moody

But Sengun and Johnson (ATL is deep) need more minutes. ESPECIALLY Sengun, kids very productive in his limited time.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#691 » by DCasey91 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:45 am

Statlanta wrote:Which Rookies should have their playing time reduced so far?

Which Rookies need more minutes?


Needs more mins:
Christopher
Bouknight
Johnson
Cooper (maybe called up who knows, Hawks are well deep like all the way deep)
Butler

All should get more playing time further along into the season so not worried about it.

I wouldn’t say to reduce mins on rookies on bad teams, it lets them play through their mistakes/warts but if it’s consistent then peg the mins back a touch to create consequences. You don’t want a highly touted rookie to develop bad habits then it sticks for the long term. Play the game the right way sort of deal
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#692 » by God Squad » Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:48 am

No cap, Is Green even the best rookie on his team currently? I see no mention of Sengun most of the time.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#693 » by DCasey91 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:05 pm

God Squad wrote:No cap, Is Green even the best rookie on his team currently? I see no mention of Sengun most of the time.


19 mins a game or just about which isn’t too bad for a rookie off the bench. He’ll lower his fouling/turnovers hopefully.

I see moving Theis and starting Sengun or something like that.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#694 » by CptCrunch » Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:13 pm

God Squad wrote:No cap, Is Green even the best rookie on his team currently? I see no mention of Sengun most of the time.



Green is sexy to look at and is the best. He has that Ant-man feel with more much maturity coming into the league. You got to grind his minutes until it clicks or he becomes more consistent. It may take the whole year or even two.

Otherwise Sengun has been the most productive rookie. Sengun has Chris Paul hands, he is masterful at gambling for the ball. When he it works, he gets a steal. When it doesn't, he racks up the steals.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#695 » by LofJ » Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:44 pm

Jalen Green is going to struggle all season if the Rockets insist on not starting a veteran guard next to him that can handle the ball. It makes no damn sense at all because they have 3 legit options in Wall, Gordon, and Augustin. None of them are going to be there in two years, but that's not the point. If you want your rookies to develop properly you have to put them in a position to succeed. The Rockets aren't doing that with Green.

Wall in particular was always really good at hitting shooters in their spots. The Rockets benching him is indefensible.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#696 » by DroseReturnChi » Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:49 pm

Funcrusher wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Jalen Green looks disappointing so far

it's been 5 games.


so whats ur plan? forcefully make him 1st option ahead of kpj like edwards and make him take 25 shots to lose 80 games?
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#697 » by nikster » Fri Oct 29, 2021 2:11 pm

LofJ wrote:Jalen Green is going to struggle all season if the Rockets insist on not starting a veteran guard next to him that can handle the ball. It makes no damn sense at all because they have 3 legit options in Wall, Gordon, and Augustin. None of them are going to be there in two years, but that's not the point. If you want your rookies to develop properly you have to put them in a position to succeed. The Rockets aren't doing that with Green.

Wall in particular was always really good at hitting shooters in their spots. The Rockets benching him is indefensible.

Yeah thats what Im thinking. I get they want to tank anyway, but I cant imagine its good for his development to play without any system or stabilizing presence
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Post#698 » by HumbleRen » Fri Oct 29, 2021 2:23 pm

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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#699 » by Jadoogar » Fri Oct 29, 2021 2:24 pm

LofJ wrote:Jalen Green is going to struggle all season if the Rockets insist on not starting a veteran guard next to him that can handle the ball. It makes no damn sense at all because they have 3 legit options in Wall, Gordon, and Augustin. None of them are going to be there in two years, but that's not the point. If you want your rookies to develop properly you have to put them in a position to succeed. The Rockets aren't doing that with Green.

Wall in particular was always really good at hitting shooters in their spots. The Rockets benching him is indefensible.


i really don't like the KPJ/Green combo long term. Right now it doesn't matter, they want to lose so let those 2 chuck up shots. But they both have a scoring mentality, eventually they'll need someone who can run an offense.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#700 » by Creativetran » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:50 pm

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Suggs - He's breaking my heart right now tbh. I keep saying next game he'll breakout, but he's having a rough time with his shot/handle for a pg. The defense looks legit as heck though. With his current inconsistencies maybe George Hill/Marcus Smart type? If he gets it under control I can see Jrue Holiday type in there.

As a Magic fan I'm not worried about Suggs, his shoot isn't falling right now like it did in summer league but he's shown enough in other areas that I'm not worried. He's playing off the ball too much right now, while Cole Anthony has put up better numbers I still think he should be a spark plug off the bench type guy. Suggs needs to be on the ball more so he doesn't over think everything as much as he's doing now, plus he's rushing everything.

If he's still shooting like this towards the end of the year then yeah, I would be worried.

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