Nikola Jokic Shoves Markieff Morris After Morris's Foul; Both Ejected

[GSP]

Wonder why that is.

It is not what you think it is. I really don't think it is a white guy/black guy thing.

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I think people are more likely to like and support those who look like them. The league has been waiting for a Luka for a long time as a marketing thing. I say that not to say it in a negative way though. It's like when Tiger Woods got popular and Black people started watching and supporting him. There's no secret it was because he was Black in a white sport, ya know? There was no animosity there though. It's golf.

It's different when you have sports like football and basketball and they get chippy though. The rhetoric here in this thread is that people actually ENJOYED watching Jokic do this. Hella dangerous. Then they see the Jokic brothers and they're thinking, 'Finally, we have somebody who's going to handle one of the Morris twins!' They want to see them hurt. They want retaliation for perceived history of the Morris twins.

Like I said earlier, I think if you think like that, you must be pussy. Serbia isn't rainbows and unicorns, but neither is Philly for a Black man. And them Morris boys have trained, so be careful what you ask for.

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[Synciere]

Sounds like you really want this to be true.

It’s definitely not a goon getting his comeuppance. It’s definitely racism.

btw- how many guys do you know that “look like Jokic”?

Sounds like I want what to be true?

Like I said, if you can call Morris a goon, then you have to call Jokic one after that reaction.

I live in New York and my ex used to live in Astoria so I know a few Serbs, not a lot though.

Serbia is not one-dimensional. F. e. I'm a Serb from Belgrade, never got into a real fight in my life. But Serbia has its fair share of savagery and aggressive people. People can only guess whether the Jokic brothers have a lot of experience in physical altercations or not. Same goes for Morris twins.

Anyways, you're missing the point: both Morris brothers are savages, it takes a lot less for them to try to physically hurt someone, and they keep getting away with it. This is documented, especially for Marcus. Jokic's had a couple of those situations in the league, and it took much more for him to do it. When Marcus tried to injure Doncic back then, people hated it not because Doncic is white, but because Doncic is a superstar who plays exciting basketball and he kept destroying the Clippers single-handedly, and isn't dirty, while Marcus is a mediocre starter who seems like he is ready to do evil stuff in order to win. People don't want to watch jealous mediocrities trying to injure superstars, it's that simple. People hate Zaza for what he did to Kawhi as much as they hate the Morris twins, but that doesn't fit your racial narrative that you're spewing everywhere on this board.

The Serbs I know are from Serbia and Bosnia, and they wouldn't hurt a fly. Serbians have this reputation as being fierce, and I'm sure some are, just like I'm sure some Philadelphians or New Yorkers or Somalians or Australians are, ya know? But people in this thread are assuming the Jokic brothers are fierce, and I'm saying, yeeeaaahhh... you have to show me proof of that lol. That said, I KNOW them Morris can and will throw hands. LOL.. It's documented going back to their high school days. They run 5 or 6 deep with their brothers, and THEY ALL THROW HANDS.

Now, I think it's time to repeat what I said earlier. When these types of threads pop up, words like dangerous and savages and anything with a animalistic characterization or trash suddenly come up. You don't hear those words to describe white players who make dirty plays like a Stockton or Laimbeer or Grayson Allen. Grayson Allen had a streak and never once was called trash or a savage. It's coded language reserved for Black people, and you should be mindful of it.

[Sedale Threatt]

There are people who fight, people who can fight, and people who are trained to fight.

Again, I don't know about the Jokic brothers, but I do know the Morris twins have trained. That's all I'm saying.

There's a difference. A HUGE difference. And if you'd like to find out we can do that too.

So now we're talking about fighting each other in real life based on comments made on a realgm board about two millionaires having an interaction on the basketball court?

Better be careful, he is highly trained at keyboard fighting

Temecula Part II

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[ATLTimekeeper]

Patrick Beverly's push in the back on Chris Paul got 1 game, so Jokic should get 1 game at worst if they want to be consistent no?

Right, I thought there was recent precedent. Almost the exact same hit except Beverly had a bit of momentum. Jokic should be suspended 1 game because of the precedent, and Markieff 2 for instigating and going after a star player.

[Wooderson]

There’s a pretty clear consensus here. Both sides can be right:

1. Jokic went too far, definitely worthy of suspension
2. Morris got what he deserved (assuming no serious injury)

I’m really curious to see what the league says. Will they protect their MVP, or try to make an example out of him?

You have to make an example because of what COULD have happened. If Markieff suffered a serious neck or back injury, this would have been really bad.

5 games should be enough. And with how hurt Denver is right now, that might lead to 5 losses which is tough for them.

Morris should be suspended twice as long as Jokic if there are suspensions. The Morris foul accomplished nothing other than being a dirty cheap shot disguised as a "take" foul instigating the whole mess. The game was over. Morris was frustrated and wanted to send a message. If it was a real take foul he would have just wrapped Jokic up.

Was Jokic excessive in retaliation and deserving of a negative response? Sure, but it was heat of the moment at least. Morris could have just stayed on his own guy and played defense, the Nuggets didn't even have numbers on the break.

[Synciere]

It is not what you think it is. I really don't think it is a white guy/black guy thing.

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I think people are more likely to like and support those who look like them. The league has been waiting for a Luka for a long time as a marketing thing. I say that not to say it in a negative way though. It's like when Tiger Woods got popular and Black people started watching and supporting him. There's no secret it was because he was Black in a white sport, ya know? There was no animosity there though. It's golf.

It's different when you have sports like football and basketball and they get chippy though. The rhetoric here in this thread is that people actually ENJOYED watching Jokic do this. Hella dangerous. Then they see the Jokic brothers and they're thinking, 'Finally, we have somebody who's going to handle one of the Morris twins!' They want to see them hurt. They want retaliation for perceived history of the Morris twins.

Like I said earlier, I think if you think like that, you must be pussy. Serbia isn't rainbows and unicorns, but neither is Philly for a Black man. And them Morris boys have trained, so be careful what you ask for.

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Finally! Someone showing some proof that they fight. Was that one of his brothers or just someone with the same last name?

[G R E Y]

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So Joker feels bad upon some reflection and this idiot doubles down. Like his brother, he chooses and selects the points along the timeline of events to focus on, ignoring his own actions that started it all. It really must be a twin thing.

Karma and the Jokic brothers are paying attention.

[Alatan]

Spoiler:

This thread is showing just how many of yall are pussies in real life. You guys are just soooo happy because you think the Jokic brothers are some fearsome group. Serbia is a tough place to grow up so I guess you think they must be like the Albanian mafia or something. That does not mean they can fight or have any training. You know who can fight and have trained? Them Morris boys that run like 6 deep lol... Jokic and his brothers are just regular dudes. They don't want nor need this smoke. Unless there's a secret Jokic history I don't know about, which is always possible.

People always front for the cameras. I hope they handle this offline like men and not soft ass celebrities.

https://newsbeezer.com/serbiaeng/nikola-jokics-brother-debuted-in-mma-defeat-rivals-in-round-1-photo-telegraph/

Think again.

[GSP]

I think people are more likely to like and support those who look like them. The league has been waiting for a Luka for a long time as a marketing thing. I say that not to say it in a negative way though. It's like when Tiger Woods got popular and Black people started watching and supporting him. There's no secret it was because he was Black in a white sport, ya know? There was no animosity there though. It's golf.

It's different when you have sports like football and basketball and they get chippy though. The rhetoric here in this thread is that people actually ENJOYED watching Jokic do this. Hella dangerous. Then they see the Jokic brothers and they're thinking, 'Finally, we have somebody who's going to handle one of the Morris twins!' They want to see them hurt. They want retaliation for perceived history of the Morris twins.

Like I said earlier, I think if you think like that, you must be pussy. Serbia isn't rainbows and unicorns, but neither is Philly for a Black man. And them Morris boys have trained, so be careful what you ask for.

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Finally! Someone showing some proof that they fight. Was that one of his brothers or just someone with the same last name?

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His brother

[mouse]

Yup i love Jokic but that's a dirty play. And jokic has a history of losing his cool. Even Jokic admitted it was stupid

Was Beverley's foul where he tore up Westbrook's knee just a hard foul too?

Should I be able to punch a player and then just turn my back, knowing retaliation is coming, and get away with no consequences?

1. Knee'd Jokic's knee sideways, while he had all 280 lbs planted on that leg
2. Elbowed him in the ribs as he was going to take off into the air

It's like people only saw the shove, not the lead up to it. Watch it in slow motion, it's a setting on youtube.

Youre missing the point. The foul was while the game was IN PLAY.

The blast from behind was not.

One is part of the game one isn't.

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So if it occurs during game play regardless of how dirty a foul is its part of the game and acceptable? Morris did try to hurt/injure Jokic with 2 minutes left in a game that was out of reach. Maybe if he wasn't a spineless coward he would have confronted Jokic instead of blindsided him.

[Synciere]

There are people who fight, people who can fight, and people who are trained to fight.

Again, I don't know about the Jokic brothers, but I do know the Morris twins have trained. That's all I'm saying.

There's a difference. A HUGE difference. And if you'd like to find out we can do that too.

So now we're talking about fighting each other in real life based on comments made on a realgm board about two millionaires having an interaction on the basketball court?

Better be careful, he is highly trained at keyboard fighting

LOL..

Like I said, some people do this, most people don't.

And to Duffman, what bothers me about these situations is that people talk and say things on the internet they would NEVER say to these grown men in person. Just mad reckless left and right. You can tell the people who never got punched in the face before.

[FinnTheHuman]

Sounds like I want what to be true?

Like I said, if you can call Morris a goon, then you have to call Jokic one after that reaction.

I live in New York and my ex used to live in Astoria so I know a few Serbs, not a lot though.

Serbia is not one-dimensional. F. e. I'm a Serb from Belgrade, never got into a real fight in my life. But Serbia has its fair share of savagery and aggressive people. People can only guess whether the Jokic brothers have a lot of experience in physical altercations or not. Same goes for Morris twins.

Anyways, you're missing the point: both Morris brothers are savages, it takes a lot less for them to try to physically hurt someone, and they keep getting away with it. This is documented, especially for Marcus. Jokic's had a couple of those situations in the league, and it took much more for him to do it. When Marcus tried to injure Doncic back then, people hated it not because Doncic is white, but because Doncic is a superstar who plays exciting basketball and he kept destroying the Clippers single-handedly, and isn't dirty, while Marcus is a mediocre starter who seems like he is ready to do evil stuff in order to win. People don't want to watch jealous mediocrities trying to injure superstars, it's that simple. People hate Zaza for what he did to Kawhi as much as they hate the Morris twins, but that doesn't fit your racial narrative that you're spewing everywhere on this board.

The Serbs I know are from Serbia and Bosnia, and they wouldn't hurt a fly. Serbians have this reputation as being fierce, and I'm sure some are, just like I'm sure some Philadelphians or New Yorkers or Somalians or Australians are, ya know? But people in this thread are assuming the Jokic brothers are fierce, and I'm saying, yeeeaaahhh... you have to show me proof of that lol. That said, I KNOW them Morris can and will throw hands. LOL.. It's documented going back to their high school days. They run 5 or 6 deep with their brothers, and THEY ALL THROW HANDS.

Now, I think it's time to repeat what I said earlier. When these types of threads pop up, words like dangerous and savages and anything with a animalistic characterization or trash suddenly come up. You don't hear those words to describe white players who make dirty plays like a Stockton or Laimbeer or Grayson Allen. Grayson Allen had a streak and never once was called trash or a savage. It's coded language reserved for Black people, and you should be mindful of it.

But it is savagery, and I'm sure I used that to describe G. Allen somewhere. It isn't coded language when the word has been used for centuries describing a wild man living in nature. I'm sure it's had negative implications much before American slavery. I could get you having issue with words like 'goon' and stuff that's been widely used to describe black violence or w/e, but 'savage' is not it. Can't tell people to be mindful about so many words with negative connotation like that, they're much more universal than you'd like to think.

[Synciere]

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Finally! Someone showing some proof that they fight. Was that one of his brothers or just someone with the same last name?

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His brother

Form's a little stiff and looks like a small venue so he's just starting, but any man who steps into an MMA ring deserves my respect.

[Snakebites]

You’re assuming Morris chose to walk away because he knew he crossed a line and was actively trying to avoid an escalating situation, but that’s almost certainly not the case.

I'm not assuming that. But its fair to suggest that based on my post. I'm sayingI think walking away was the right move regardless of his motivation. Whether he was intentionally trying to de escalate or he was playing the cowardly heel who took his shot and then is trying to escape consequences.

Again. Still not praising/condoning Morris. Simply stated I think walking away was the better option once we reached that point. Obviously it didn't work out that way, but generally I do think that's the correct approach.

I know how everyone views Morris and they are likely to assume the worst. Get it. Totally get it. I'm trying not to guess his motivation and simply evaluate his actions which I can see, unlike his motivations which I can't.

You can estimate motivations based on context and patterns of behavior. It’s fine if you don’t want to do that, but let’s not act like one can’t.

And to me when we say someone “did the right thing” that carries a moral connotation, not merely a practical one.

De-escalation also implies deliberate action and intent, at least to me.

[mouse]

So now we're talking about fighting each other in real life based on comments made on a realgm board about two millionaires having an interaction on the basketball court?

Better be careful, he is highly trained at keyboard fighting

LOL..

Like I said, some people do this, most people don't.

And to Duffman, what bothers me about these situations is that people talk and say things on the internet they would NEVER say to these grown men in person. Just mad reckless left and right. You can tell the people who never got punched in the face before.

People are having discussions on a message board. If you're too sensitive and get upset by some nonsense from a random stranger maybe you shouldn't be on the internet. There are mods that do a fine job taking care of the riff raff around these parts.

[Duke4life831]

The grasping at straws to make this racial is beyond pointless. Its beyond pointless and dumb because people laughing when dirty players get checked isn't new in the NBA and basketball. There are plenty of examples to look back over the decades.

Im a die hard Duke fan, guess what Duke is well known for having, white players that people love to see get put in check. Not because they're white, but because they're cocky and dirty. Grayson Allen, JJ Redick, Christian Laettner. Hell one of ESPN's most popular 30 for 30s is one called "I Hate Christian Laettner". Why? Because Christian Laettner was a cocky borderline dirty player. So whenever Laettner got put in check, people cheered and laughed. You dont have to go that far back to see how people reacted to Grayson Allen getting put in check. It had nothing to do with race, it was because Grayson Allen was tripping people in college. So they laughed and cheered when they saw Grayson get checked. There were talking heads on sportscenter openly cheering for people to beat up Grayson when he was at Duke.

People wanted to see the likes of Bill Laimbeer get put in check. Why? Because he was kind of the face of the Bad Boy Pistons, he was doing dirty crap all the time. If the search function worked on here, just type in the name Zaza and Im sure there are countless threads bashing Zaza for being dirty.

There is no shortage of people laughing at dirty white players when they got put in check. Is there a racial thing to it? No. Just like there is no shortage of people laughing at dirty black players when they got put in check. Its because people dont like dirty players and get a chuckle when they see dirty player gets embarrassed and gets put in check. It doesnt matter the race.

We dont need to be reaching for some deep cultural meaning behind every event. Sometimes the reaction people have really is just as simple and basic as, its funny watching a bully get embarrassed.

[pilkoids]

You don't care about Likes and then you invoke what everyone else thinks. Gotcha.

Stop acting like a child. I can have independent thoughts that others also have - are you old enough to understand this concept?

It's not childish to point out the inconsistency in your stand. I'm not critiquing your ability to think. I'm simply stating that the 'Everybody says so' retort you just made contradicts your point. Again, I think you and others are saying things but not thinking them through. I don't know if it was you but I asked earlier, what makes a guy a fake tough guy? Because to me if you're ready and willing to fight, you can't be called that. Why are they trash? Why such forceful language lol...

So, because I have a thought that everybody else has, and pointed out that everybody has that same point to support my own, i'm inconsistent?

Let me break it down:
1. I entered the thread
2. Immediately watched the video
3. Formed an opinion
5. Read that others had that same opinion
6. Posted my opinion, later stating that others also had a similar opinion to bolster the points I was making.

Where in there do you see me chasing And1's by thinking what other people think? I'm genuinely baffled here.

[Wolfgang630]

Race shouldn’t be brought up. It could’ve been Kevin Durant, Lebron, Embiid doing this to Morris and I would’ve had the same reaction.

I mean, we don't have to imagine. We had Zaza injuring Kawhi, literally the reverse situation, white on black, and everybody was saying Zaza was a goon or w/e. People hate a-holes, it's that simple.

Zaza is definitely a piece of ****.

[Texas Chuck]

[You can estimate motivations based on context and patterns of behavior. It’s fine if you don’t want to do that, but let’s not act like one can’t.

And to me when we say someone “did the right thing” that carries a moral connotation, not merely a practical one.

De-escalation also implies deliberate action and intent, at least to me.

You can. I'm simply speaking for me. I haven't said others shouldn't. In fact in the post you quoted I was explicit in saying I totally got why others would. "Get it. Totally get it" is a direct quote from me.....

The rest feels a bit like semantics especially since I've gone to great pains to explain my position.

[Synciere]

Serbia is not one-dimensional. F. e. I'm a Serb from Belgrade, never got into a real fight in my life. But Serbia has its fair share of savagery and aggressive people. People can only guess whether the Jokic brothers have a lot of experience in physical altercations or not. Same goes for Morris twins.

Anyways, you're missing the point: both Morris brothers are savages, it takes a lot less for them to try to physically hurt someone, and they keep getting away with it. This is documented, especially for Marcus. Jokic's had a couple of those situations in the league, and it took much more for him to do it. When Marcus tried to injure Doncic back then, people hated it not because Doncic is white, but because Doncic is a superstar who plays exciting basketball and he kept destroying the Clippers single-handedly, and isn't dirty, while Marcus is a mediocre starter who seems like he is ready to do evil stuff in order to win. People don't want to watch jealous mediocrities trying to injure superstars, it's that simple. People hate Zaza for what he did to Kawhi as much as they hate the Morris twins, but that doesn't fit your racial narrative that you're spewing everywhere on this board.

The Serbs I know are from Serbia and Bosnia, and they wouldn't hurt a fly. Serbians have this reputation as being fierce, and I'm sure some are, just like I'm sure some Philadelphians or New Yorkers or Somalians or Australians are, ya know? But people in this thread are assuming the Jokic brothers are fierce, and I'm saying, yeeeaaahhh... you have to show me proof of that lol. That said, I KNOW them Morris can and will throw hands. LOL.. It's documented going back to their high school days. They run 5 or 6 deep with their brothers, and THEY ALL THROW HANDS.

Now, I think it's time to repeat what I said earlier. When these types of threads pop up, words like dangerous and savages and anything with a animalistic characterization or trash suddenly come up. You don't hear those words to describe white players who make dirty plays like a Stockton or Laimbeer or Grayson Allen. Grayson Allen had a streak and never once was called trash or a savage. It's coded language reserved for Black people, and you should be mindful of it.

But it is savagery, and I'm sure I used that to describe G. Allen somewhere. It isn't coded language when the word has been used for centuries describing a wild man living in nature. I'm sure it's had negative implications much before American slavery. I could get you having issue with words like 'goon' and stuff that's been widely used to describe black violence or w/e, but 'savage' is not it. Can't tell people to be mindful about so many words with negative connotation like that, they're much more universal than you'd like to think.

If you used that term to describe Grayson Allen then you're in the minority. If I could nitpick I'd also say that if you used that term to describe Allen you probably would've remembered and it wouldn't be 'I'm sure I did.' It's coded language in today's society because it's used only to describe Black people, and if you can't agree with that then you just don't want to see the facts and I can't help that and don't need to bother explaining further. Savage, thug, animals etc. Read this thread and you'll see a bunch. I'm not going to belabor this. You can choose the wool if you like.