2025 NBA PLAYOFFS East Semifinals: #1 Cleveland Cavaliers vs #4 Indiana Pacers (IND leads 2-0)

[xBulletproof]

Mans just ignoring all the drives to the rim before that. Also the entire Bucks series where he won games driving to the rim.

Who said he can't drive to the rim?

I stopped reading right here, because you said it, ya dope. See attached below.

If he isn't coming off the pick and roll or a stepback, he's useless.

[ImSlower]

Pacers play team ball so Tyrese doesn’t have the luxury of being selfish.

Every fan of the "true PG" likes to tell themselves this when in reality, their "true PG" doesn't have the bag to get a shot whenever they want.

If Hali could drop 25 on 60 TS a game, he would but he can't. It's been 3 years.

He doesn't draw free throws, he doesn't have simple ways to generate offense, he isn't that crafty of a guy.

He's a bread and butter pick and roll PG that shoots 3s and makes the right pass.

I don't think you've watched as much Haliburton gameplay as I have, and I've hardly gotten to watch much at all. You're just thoroughly wrong. He's not a Top 10 guy, but he's got a lot more in his bag than what you're saying. Yes, Spida had a better game. But give Hali his props for making an inverse four point play to win a game at a hostile crowd. It was an amazing finish, even if you underestimate him.

It's fine, dude, we all have varying opinions on players' worth. Just give Hali some props and maybe watch some more of his games?

[BigDan245]

Mitchell played 36 minutes...For context Luka played over 40 minutes in all 5 games vs Minnesota and 46 in game 4. For a player to be as gassed as he was is not a good look.

[jptremblay]

If Cavs get at least two of the injured guys for the game 3, they are winning the series still. Too much power for Indiana to shut down. Also Cavs are gonna leave all the next game and maybe Indiana gets more relaxed after getting this position in that series

[threethehardway]

I've been following this team throughout the season, my friend. As a guy from Greece which means I stay up until 5 or 6 in the morning to watch. Yeah, definitely sounds like a casual

As for the game, I have no issue admitting that Mitchell outplayed Hali tonight. He nearly outplayed all of the Pacers. He was absolutely unreal.

But Hali also showed up when it mattered. He had 8 points in the final 1:30 minutes of the game. It wasn't just the step-back. He broke down Cleveland's defense at least 3 times in the biggest possessions of the game. And, yeah, the game winner does tend to matter quite a bit, don't you think?

Mitchell had the better game overall, there's no denying that but you acting like Hali has no moves and then for Hali to take over and hit a big game-winner like that is pretty much the definition of a comment aging poorly.

The entire game matters.

There is no "showing up when it matters". The entire game matters.

Compare Hali to Donovan Mitchell and Kyrie, does he have moves?

Compare Hali to James Harden, even now, does he have moves?

Matter of fact, compare Hali to someone like Cam Thomas, does he have moves?

There's players that got moves and there's players that do the basics, Hali does the basics. Nobody is picking Haliburton to win a game of one on one. If we talking the most skilled scoring guard in the league, nobody is picking Haliburton in the top 10. Haliburton doesn't even make the top 15.

Saying Haliburton has moves is saying John Stockton has moves and nobody says that.

[jbk1234]

Officiating aside, if you're able to, the two minute meltdown is why Garland needs to play in Game 3.

Man at this point I’m not sure prime Michael Jordan can help you

Cavs team looks beat

Okay, just remember the time and place you said it if Garland comes back for game 3.

[Nuntius]

Tyrese did nothing all game while Donovan Mitchell killed himself to his team in position to win, taking on 2 and 3 defenders at a time.

Tyrese had Nembhard out here turning the ball over left and right in the half court.

And Tyrese does the only thing he can do in the half court, which is a step back 3, like I said and the comment is in poor taste.

I could understand if Tyrese took over the 4th and he looked like Kobe vs. the Raptors.

But Tyrese getting to his only move, which I said is his only move...is my comment aging poorly.

I forget most casuals only care about what happens in the last 2 minutes...

Pacers play team ball so Tyrese doesn’t have the luxury of being selfish.

The Cavs play team ball too. It’s just their 2-4 scorers weren’t available

Yep. As discussed in the previous thread, the two teams are quite similar on how they rely on depth and a balanced offensive approach. Even without Cleveland's 2-4 scorers, Mitchell managed to have a very effective floor game. He did have 9 assists to go with his 48 points after all.

Ty Jerome can definitely be criticized for the game he had (2 points on 14 shots, only 4 assists) but Mitchell was basically superman tonight.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Mitchell played 36 minutes...For context Luka played over 40 minutes in all 5 games vs Minnesota and 46 in game 4. For a player to be as gassed as he was is not a good look.

Mitchell was doing EVERYTHING.

Luka was doing a lot...not everything.

[LFGK]

The Pacers play the game the right way. I think they value each possession on offense highly. That's a winning formula in the POs. If they end up playing the Knicks, I like their chances to make the Finals. They have been highly impressive to start the POs.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

I've been following this team throughout the season, my friend. As a guy from Greece which means I stay up until 5 or 6 in the morning to watch. Yeah, definitely sounds like a casual

As for the game, I have no issue admitting that Mitchell outplayed Hali tonight. He nearly outplayed all of the Pacers. He was absolutely unreal.

But Hali also showed up when it mattered. He had 8 points in the final 1:30 minutes of the game. It wasn't just the step-back. He broke down Cleveland's defense at least 3 times in the biggest possessions of the game. And, yeah, the game winner does tend to matter quite a bit, don't you think?

Mitchell had the better game overall, there's no denying that but you acting like Hali has no moves and then for Hali to take over and hit a big game-winner like that is pretty much the definition of a comment aging poorly.

The entire game matters.

There is no "showing up when it matters". The entire game matters.

Compare Hali to Donovan Mitchell and Kyrie, does he have moves?

Compare Hali to James Harden, even now, does he have moves?

Matter of fact, compare Hali to someone like Cam Thomas, does he have moves?

There's players that got moves and there's players that do the basics, Hali does the basics. Nobody is picking Haliburton to win a game of one on one. If we talking the most skilled scoring guard in the league, nobody is picking Haliburton in the top 10. Haliburton doesn't even make the top 15.

Saying Haliburton has moves is saying John Stockton has moves and nobody says that.

I think we've hit the point where you just need to accept that not a single person in this thread will take you seriously anymore.

[ArksNetsSince99]

Officiating aside, if you're able to, the two minute meltdown is why Garland needs to play in Game 3.

Man at this point I’m not sure prime Michael Jordan can help you

Cavs team looks beat

Okay, just remember the time and place you said it if Garland comes back for game 3.

Good luck , I’m not a fan of either team , but odds is definitely now in Pacers corner , just saying

[Nuntius]

I've been following this team throughout the season, my friend. As a guy from Greece which means I stay up until 5 or 6 in the morning to watch. Yeah, definitely sounds like a casual

As for the game, I have no issue admitting that Mitchell outplayed Hali tonight. He nearly outplayed all of the Pacers. He was absolutely unreal.

But Hali also showed up when it mattered. He had 8 points in the final 1:30 minutes of the game. It wasn't just the step-back. He broke down Cleveland's defense at least 3 times in the biggest possessions of the game. And, yeah, the game winner does tend to matter quite a bit, don't you think?

Mitchell had the better game overall, there's no denying that but you acting like Hali has no moves and then for Hali to take over and hit a big game-winner like that is pretty much the definition of a comment aging poorly.

The entire game matters.

There is no "showing up when it matters". The entire game matters.

Compare Hali to Donovan Mitchell and Kyrie, does he have moves?

Compare Hali to James Harden, even now, does he have moves?

Matter of fact, compare Hali to someone like Cam Thomas, does he have moves?

There's players that got moves and there's players that do the basics, Hali does the basics. Nobody is picking Haliburton to win a game of one on one. If we talking the most skilled scoring guard in the league, nobody is picking Haliburton in the top 10. Haliburton doesn't even make the top 15.

Saying Haliburton has moves is saying John Stockton has moves and nobody says that.

Basketball is also a team game. Haliburton has a ton of basketball moves that get his teammate way open. Sure, he isn't an iso scorer and as an iso scorer he mostly does the basics. No issue with that.

But as a playmaker and floor general? He has a ton of moves. And, you know, those are basketball moves as well since they result in the ball getting through the hoop which is the entire point of the sport.

[Hoop Hunter]

That extra chicken sacrifice did the trick.

What a horrible played game by the Pacers, for most of it.

Home cooking officiating for most of it. You simply couldn't breathe on Mitchell.

I've got big balls, You've got big balls, We've all got big balls, but Hali's got the biggest balls of them all.

[BigDan245]

Mitchell played 36 minutes...For context Luka played over 40 minutes in all 5 games vs Minnesota and 46 in game 4. For a player to be as gassed as he was is not a good look.

Mitchell was doing EVERYTHING.

Luka was doing a lot...not everything.

Mitchell was gassed in the 3rd quarter. His conditioning is terrible. The Cavs basically put him in a minutes limit all year and he still got hurt and he's still out of gas and it's round 2.

[Wolfgang630]

Well this series is over. Too many injuries for the Cavs. Indiana lucks out yet again

[threethehardway]

I don't think you've watched as much Haliburton gameplay as I have, and I've hardly gotten to watch much at all. You're just thoroughly wrong. He's not a Top 10 guy, but he's got a lot more in his bag than what you're saying. Yes, Spida had a better game. But give Hali his props for making an inverse four point play to win a game at a hostile crowd. It was an amazing finish, even if you underestimate him.

It's fine, dude, we all have varying opinions on players' worth. Just give Hali some props and maybe watch some more of his games?

I am not giving the guy props for barely beating a team with 3 of their top 8 out and he finally starts trying in the 4th quarter after watching his team struggle for 46 minutes.

Especially when the only player is doing everything he can and Hali is sitting there in the corner chilling.

Now we can look his pretty statline and the game winning shot and be like, "He had a great game."

Hali's game is fine. He's a smart guard that has a style for efficiency and it looks fun but he ain't that guy because he cannot impose his will on the game unless it is already going his way.

[Nuntius]

Always knew that Cleveland was fake, but yo, I thought they would at least win one at home.

Don't do this man.

They are missing 3 of their best players. We'd struggle missing 3 of our top guys too.

Hear, hear. Raise your team up, do not tear another team down. No one wins from that.

[Tor_Raps]

There’s no way Mitchell is gonna be healthy for game 3

Mitchell needs to improve his cardio. It didn't help that he played 40 minutes like one time all year.

[Boneman2]

I've been following this team throughout the season, my friend. As a guy from Greece which means I stay up until 5 or 6 in the morning to watch. Yeah, definitely sounds like a casual

As for the game, I have no issue admitting that Mitchell outplayed Hali tonight. He nearly outplayed all of the Pacers. He was absolutely unreal.

But Hali also showed up when it mattered. He had 8 points in the final 1:30 minutes of the game. It wasn't just the step-back. He broke down Cleveland's defense at least 3 times in the biggest possessions of the game. And, yeah, the game winner does tend to matter quite a bit, don't you think?

Mitchell had the better game overall, there's no denying that but you acting like Hali has no moves and then for Hali to take over and hit a big game-winner like that is pretty much the definition of a comment aging poorly.

The entire game matters.

There is no "showing up when it matters". The entire game matters.

Compare Hali to Donovan Mitchell and Kyrie, does he have moves?

Compare Hali to James Harden, even now, does he have moves?

Matter of fact, compare Hali to someone like Cam Thomas, does he have moves?

There's players that got moves and there's players that do the basics, Hali does the basics. Nobody is picking Haliburton to win a game of one on one. If we talking the most skilled scoring guard in the league, nobody is picking Haliburton in the top 10. Haliburton doesn't even make the top 15.

Saying Haliburton has moves is saying John Stockton has moves and nobody says that.

Basketball is also a team game. Haliburton has a ton of basketball moves that get his teammate way open. Sure, he isn't an iso scorer and as an iso scorer he mostly does the basics. No issue with that.

But as a playmaker and floor general? He has a ton of moves. And, you know, those are basketball moves as well since they result in the ball getting through the hoop which is the entire point of the sport.

I had only 1 like to give

[xBulletproof]

I've been following this team throughout the season, my friend. As a guy from Greece which means I stay up until 5 or 6 in the morning to watch. Yeah, definitely sounds like a casual

As for the game, I have no issue admitting that Mitchell outplayed Hali tonight. He nearly outplayed all of the Pacers. He was absolutely unreal.

But Hali also showed up when it mattered. He had 8 points in the final 1:30 minutes of the game. It wasn't just the step-back. He broke down Cleveland's defense at least 3 times in the biggest possessions of the game. And, yeah, the game winner does tend to matter quite a bit, don't you think?

Mitchell had the better game overall, there's no denying that but you acting like Hali has no moves and then for Hali to take over and hit a big game-winner like that is pretty much the definition of a comment aging poorly.

The entire game matters.

There is no "showing up when it matters". The entire game matters.

Compare Hali to Donovan Mitchell and Kyrie, does he have moves?

Compare Hali to James Harden, even now, does he have moves?

Matter of fact, compare Hali to someone like Cam Thomas, does he have moves?

There's players that got moves and there's players that do the basics, Hali does the basics. Nobody is picking Haliburton to win a game of one on one. If we talking the most skilled scoring guard in the league, nobody is picking Haliburton in the top 10. Haliburton doesn't even make the top 15.

Saying Haliburton has moves is saying John Stockton has moves and nobody says that.

I think we've hit the point where you just need to accept that not a single person in this thread will take you seriously anymore.

I mean, given the name and attitude, maybe it's Tim Hardaway's RealGM account.

I'm sorry Tyrese cousin banged your wife.