2017 Isaiah Thomas is better than any version of Iverson.

[VinBaker6]

This thread is another example of basketball fans living in the moment. The number of times I see ppl say "I've never seen this before!" is hilarious.

[Trippinskarlo]

1993 . The fact that you are dodging proves you know very little. Number twisting doesn't prove anything

Dodging? Ill ask for a thiRd time pick any season from iverson and we will go through the data. You wont. You havE dodged my question twice now. You have 25 years of basketball knowledge im Sure its easy to back your opinions with facts and data.

It is easy to twist numbers to prove any point. Some idiot on here did it to say I.T. was better than Jordan in his 72 win year. I am sure someone here could have done I.T. vs Lebron before this series and made I.T. come out on top. Are you telling me I.T. is better than Jordan or Lebron? That is the flaw with just using numbers. After 20 years you should know this. Money Ball would never work in the NBA.

Yeah not looking to twist some obscure analytics....just basic boxscore numbers, u know, how we track a players contribution. The fact is that IT this season would be picked over Iverson any season FOR ONE SEASON this year by all 30 GM's. You are simply wrong. The fact that you have no data to support the I FEEL opinion is telling. You have nothing to bring to the table for an argument besides your opinion, I'll bring the numbers against anyone who wants.

[joeyAdaMan]

Dodging? Ill ask for a thiRd time pick any season from iverson and we will go through the data. You wont. You havE dodged my question twice now. You have 25 years of basketball knowledge im Sure its easy to back your opinions with facts and data.

It is easy to twist numbers to prove any point. Some idiot on here did it to say I.T. was better than Jordan in his 72 win year. I am sure someone here could have done I.T. vs Lebron before this series and made I.T. come out on top. Are you telling me I.T. is better than Jordan or Lebron? That is the flaw with just using numbers. After 20 years you should know this. Money Ball would never work in the NBA.

Yeah not looking to twist some obscure analytics....just basic boxscore numbers, u know, how we track a players contribution. The fact is that IT this season would be picked over Iverson any season FOR ONE SEASON this year by all 30 GM's. You are simply wrong. The fact that you have no data to support the I FEEL opinion is telling. You have nothing to bring to the table for an argument besides your opinion, I'll bring the numbers against anyone who wants.

keep your numbers...AI is an MVP, HOFer, and all-time great respected by everyone who's anyone in the basketball world....IT is the best player ever under 6 foot...but he's not Allen Iverson...not even remotely close....

[r3demption]

Dodging? Ill ask for a thiRd time pick any season from iverson and we will go through the data. You wont. You havE dodged my question twice now. You have 25 years of basketball knowledge im Sure its easy to back your opinions with facts and data.

It is easy to twist numbers to prove any point. Some idiot on here did it to say I.T. was better than Jordan in his 72 win year. I am sure someone here could have done I.T. vs Lebron before this series and made I.T. come out on top. Are you telling me I.T. is better than Jordan or Lebron? That is the flaw with just using numbers. After 20 years you should know this. Money Ball would never work in the NBA.

Yeah not looking to twist some obscure analytics....just basic boxscore numbers, u know, how we track a players contribution. The fact is that IT this season would be picked over Iverson any season FOR ONE SEASON this year by all 30 GM's. You are simply wrong. The fact that you have no data to support the I FEEL opinion is telling. You have nothing to bring to the table for an argument besides your opinion, I'll bring the numbers against anyone who wants.

Do you know all 30 GM's to ask this? I.T. is not better than any iteration of A.I. If you can quantify relentlessness and drive, then I will look at your numbers. You would have had to drag A.I. off the court before he left a big game like that with making 0 baskets.

[joeyAdaMan]

Iverson would never get shut down or give up on his team like this.

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Iverson has never played with this much shooting, depth, and overall talent either....he'd still get smushed by Lebron...but it wouldn't be this bad...

What talent? A bunch of inconsistent shooters who can't hit wide open 3's?? At least Iverson had tough guys like Hill, Ratliff, Lynch, McKie who could provide some defensive muscle. Guys like Zeller/Jackson/Mickey/Young/Jerebko are unplayable and that's a third of the team. If Iverson was in this era, his teams would be constructed very differently too.

Al Horford, who is IT's CENTER...is a better shooter and passer than anyone AI played with during his 76ers tenure...i swear people must've not watched the 76ers during AI's prime...they were tough teams that were well coached...but there was zero scoring/shooting/playmaking outside of whatever AI brought to the table....the teams could defend and rebound with the best of them...but, ZERO teams in NBA history have won with ONE guy who can score...that's what Iverson's 76ers were....this Celtics team is a good bit better than anything AI worked with in his prime...

[Plutonashfan]

LMAO...Isaiah has All-NBA year and gets down on his luck and the cowards who couldn't say **** when he was beasting start typing nonsense. Not only cowards but reactionary cowards smh. Trash Isaiah and the OP all you want but it was a special season and a couple blowouts ain't going to change my mind of it.

Lol

[sick_irony]

Well, you like numbers OP, right? 75% of the board agrees that this comparison is simply not a fair for Thomas... so...

[JackZZ]

1993 . The fact that you are dodging proves you know very little. Number twisting doesn't prove anything

Dodging? Ill ask for a thiRd time pick any season from iverson and we will go through the data. You wont. You havE dodged my question twice now. You have 25 years of basketball knowledge im Sure its easy to back your opinions with facts and data.

It is easy to twist numbers to prove any point. Some idiot on here did it to say I.T. was better than Jordan in his 72 win year. I am sure someone here could have done I.T. vs Lebron before this series and made I.T. come out on top. Are you telling me I.T. is better than Jordan or Lebron? That is the flaw with just using numbers. After 20 years you should know this. Money Ball would never work in the NBA.

Folks are way into advance stats these days. While it gives us a way to observe a certain aspect of players, it doesn't tell us everything about them. IT size is a problem and it doesn't show in stats.
AI wasn't exactly the DPOY material in defense but he is slightly taller than IT's height and one thing that i don't see many ppl brings up is AI has also wider wingspan. He gambled a lot on D but it worked out for most of the time. He has better reaction too on D, playing the passing lane. AI's wingspan and height combine makes him much bigger than IT.
AI's wingspan is 6’3.25”
IT's wingspan is 6'1.75''
AI had much better defensive presence due to his total size alone and it was easier for him to get shots off on offense in comparison to IT. Advance stats won't tell you that. You can easily pick this up by watching them.
Watching IT getting slaughtered like that, it feels like closer to (eye check) Mugsy Boggues getting slaughtered by MJ than AI vs MJ.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1416466 Look at this turd thread and the blog it referred to. Curry is good but not that good. Numbers are fun to look at and play around with but you have to observe the player. Curry, counting fatigue and his history with ankles problems, can't be realistically able to average 50ppg.

[76ciology]

Gimmick

[tundraknight]

Well, you like numbers OP, right? 75% of the board agrees that this comparison is simply not a fair for Thomas... so...

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[Braggins]

It is easy to twist numbers to prove any point. Some idiot on here did it to say I.T. was better than Jordan in his 72 win year.

Not sure if you are referring to me or the people who actually agreed with my post, but I was being completely sarcastic to mock the basis people were using to compare IT vs. Iverson. They're acting like they are making some kind of sophisticated analytical argument, when in reality the entire argument is mostly being focused on per36 scoring average + TS% and literally completely ignoring defense (to be fair, completely ignoring defense has been standard for IT discussions for a while, as if possibly being the worst starting defensive player at your position in the entire league isn't a big deal lol).

[Hipster Doofus]

lol this thread becomes more and more ridiculous with each passing day.

[mysticOscar]

IT would have never been this good in Iversons era. Now way...but of physicality and he becomes a negative

[Cormag001]

I understand how IT has been manhandled by the Cavs and is clearly not ready for that superstar status, but he has been very disrespected in the last 48 hours.

Dude is still unbelievable when it comes to scoring and he's a pretty good passer too. While his poor performance in the ECF obviously has a lot to do with legacy, his skill set is obviously there (if you need a reminder, watch the 52 points game vs Wizards) and he is an extremely fun player to watch.

While he may not be on Allen Iverson's level, disrespecting him over a few games against one of the best teams the NBA has ever seen is a little outrageous and narrow in perspective. Dude had an unbelievable season and I always love a guy who proves a lot of people wrong.

[Infinite Llamas]

After Isaiah lost his sister, he could have put the game aside to spend time with his family. Boston probably would have lost in the first round...and that would have been that. Instead, Isaiah laces them up and is instrumental in winning two rounds...then he comes out flat against a consensus Finals team and people do whatever they can to discredit him. Thing is, the guy is a warrior who I'm sure has more heart and fight in him than all his haters combined. Heavens forbid y'all lose someone that you love unconditionally and then you go out on the biggest stage and don't perform up to your usual standards. I respect Isaiah for playing through the tragedy and all he has done for the team this season. Honestly, I wish his haters would just **** off, but they're so giddy to drudge up old threads and grandstand all over them.

[BudenFerry]

After Isaiah lost his sister, he could have put the game aside to spend time with his family. Boston probably would have lost in the first round...and that would have been that. Instead, Isaiah laces them up and is instrumental in winning two rounds...then he comes out flat against a consensus Finals team and people do whatever they can to discredit him. Thing is, the guy is a warrior who I'm sure has more heart and fight in him than all his haters combined. Heavens forbid y'all lose someone that you love unconditionally and then you go out on the biggest stage and don't perform up to your usual standards. I respect Isaiah for playing through the tragedy and all he has done for the team this season. Honestly, I wish his haters would just **** off, but they're so giddy to drudge up old threads and grandstand all over them.

Boohoo. No one is saying that isaiah doesn't have talent. They are just laughing at the weak comparison of IT to Iverson when Iverson is clearly better.

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[ensergiog]

Seriously, close this fu%&%ing threads.

[Infinite Llamas]

After Isaiah lost his sister, he could have put the game aside to spend time with his family. Boston probably would have lost in the first round...and that would have been that. Instead, Isaiah laces them up and is instrumental in winning two rounds...then he comes out flat against a consensus Finals team and people do whatever they can to discredit him. Thing is, the guy is a warrior who I'm sure has more heart and fight in him than all his haters combined. Heavens forbid y'all lose someone that you love unconditionally and then you go out on the biggest stage and don't perform up to your usual standards. I respect Isaiah for playing through the tragedy and all he has done for the team this season. Honestly, I wish his haters would just **** off, but they're so giddy to drudge up old threads and grandstand all over them.

Boohoo. No one is saying that isaiah doesn't have talent. They are just laughing at the weak comparison of IT to Iverson when Iverson is clearly better.

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So let the thread die then. Problem is after every inevitable Celtics loss, some clowns gonna bring it back for the lolz.

[Illmatic12]

Iverson would never get shut down or give up on his team like this.

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Iverson has never played with this much shooting, depth, and overall talent either....he'd still get smushed by Lebron...but it wouldn't be this bad...

What talent? A bunch of inconsistent shooters who can't hit wide open 3's?? At least Iverson had tough guys like Hill, Ratliff, Lynch, McKie who could provide some defensive muscle. Guys like Zeller/Jackson/Mickey/Young/Jerebko are unplayable and that's a third of the team. If Iverson was in this era, his teams would be constructed very differently too.

Why are you bringing up defensive muscle? This comparison is largely about offense. Iverson played with complete trash offensively, Horford alone would have been the best offensive teammate AI ever played with on the Sixers

[holdenwait]