China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

[Duffman100]

you literally just said 'in both cases lives are at risk'

do I have to sit here and explain to you how laughable that is to even say when Uyghers are literally having their organs harvested as we speak?

but hey, let's all talk about how woke the NBA is for walking out of Charlotte for the trans bathroom nonsense.

That's not saying the events are comparable. That's saying there's a commonality between them.

In both situations, there are lives at risk. That's just a fact.

Your idea that we have to ignore the smaller issue until the bigger one is solved is flawed

not even going to get into the notion that allowing men into womens bathroom is an issue in the first place, but let's say that it is.

i didn't say don't tackle the smaller issues before the bigger issue, just don't pretend you're holier than thou and 'fighting the good fight' taking on things like the trans bathroom thing while simultaneously getting into bed with regimes that are committing MASS genocide. just don't say you're pro freedom and human rights (aimed at the NBA).

it's easy to act when it doesn't affect your pocket much (Charlotte), but when it's something will (China), you are on your knees despite the insane amount of human rights abuses.

We can agree on that, it's what I've been writing this entire time. NBA should tell China to go **** themselves.

[LofJ]

Do some research on how long it can take to find an organ donor in western countries and compare it to how long it takes in China if you want some receipts on what they're doing.

Hint: If you need an organ in less than a month you will be booking a trip to China.

[clyde21]

So again, you're stranding people who had no say how their lives were structured. Who are innocent in their surroundings.

Their lives will just be deemed historical collateral damage. That's a hell of a fate to put on people.

China is going to go to HK and just murder each citizen? No? Then what exactly are you talking about here? These people are Chinese citizens, if China gets HK back proper and they go back to China proper with no fighting they'll be welcomed. If they don't they'll probably be killed or imprisoned. This is no different from any other country and how they act towards their citizens/defectors.

They're only stranded because they support western imperialism over their Chinese authoritarianism.

You think China, of all places, is going to ignore the protestors? Not identify them? Ignore the journalists and political bloggers? Give them a pass.

People are going to die. Don't be naive.

maybe you should worry about the people the US is slaughtering across the Middle East first

[Arman_tanzarian]

If you think it's true you don't know the US like you think you do.

How does the US not have true freedom of speech? Or at least close to it?

https://www.scribd.com/document/421166393/FBI-Strategy-Guide-FY2018-20-and-Threat-Guidance-for-Racial-Extremists

The FBI from the 50s up until now have targeted Civil Rights Activists under the term "Black Identity Extremists" in a pretty well documented way. These various operations from COINTELPRO to the more recent IRON FIST have led to the deaths of many activists like Fred Hampton, possibly MLK (I think it's obvious personally), and many major protesters in Ferguson (dying in burning cars, through "suicides", and one even collapsed on a bus). All killed for suggesting the US government shouldn't treat black citizens as an underclass.

Or how about we go into the fact that the first thing our congress did in 2019 was make it illegal to use our right to free speech to criticize and boycott Israel. America likes to say they love free speech but isn't very good at actually promoting free speech.

Def agreed with you there. I'd like to add, the Government isn't really efficient at doing other things as well.

[MotownMadness]

Do some research on how long it can take to find an organ donor in western countries and compare it to how long it takes in China if you want some receipts on what they're doing.

Hint: If you need an organ in less than a month you will be booking a trip to China.

Thats crazy

[kabstah]

When did I say it was comparable?

you literally just said 'in both cases lives are at risk'

do I have to sit here and explain to you how laughable that is to even say when Uyghers are literally having their organs harvested as we speak?

but hey, let's all talk about how woke the NBA is for walking out of Charlotte for the trans bathroom nonsense.

Do you have an article on the organ harvesting? Wild

I doubt you'll find anyone on record, but if you talk to practicing physicians in China, it's an open secret that many, many cadaver and tissue donors for both medical education and organ transplants are prisoners executed by the state. That's true for anyone, not just Uyghurs, though it's a safe bet that a disproportionately large fraction of executed prisoners are Uyghur.

[E-Balla]

So again, you're stranding people who had no say how their lives were structured. Who are innocent in their surroundings.

Their lives will just be deemed historical collateral damage. That's a hell of a fate to put on people.

China is going to go to HK and just murder each citizen? No? Then what exactly are you talking about here? These people are Chinese citizens, if China gets HK back proper and they go back to China proper with no fighting they'll be welcomed. If they don't they'll probably be killed or imprisoned. This is no different from any other country and how they act towards their citizens/defectors.

They're only stranded because they support western imperialism over their Chinese authoritarianism.

You think China, of all places, is going to ignore the protestors? Not identify them? Ignore the journalists and political bloggers? Give them a pass.

People are going to die. Don't be naive.

But like I said this is what all countries do. I posted what the US does already. I'm not seeing China as some special evil for doing what authoritarian regimes would all do when faced with a situation like this. This all sounds like shoddy justification to invade China and I pray to god that's not what it is. At the end of that day I'm about action, what do you want done about the situation because I'll totally admit both sides are bad and the only proper solution to me would be if Hong Kong was introduced back into China proper. It might suck, but it seems more "right" than the alternative.

[Duffman100]

China is going to go to HK and just murder each citizen? No? Then what exactly are you talking about here? These people are Chinese citizens, if China gets HK back proper and they go back to China proper with no fighting they'll be welcomed. If they don't they'll probably be killed or imprisoned. This is no different from any other country and how they act towards their citizens/defectors.

They're only stranded because they support western imperialism over their Chinese authoritarianism.

You think China, of all places, is going to ignore the protestors? Not identify them? Ignore the journalists and political bloggers? Give them a pass.

People are going to die. Don't be naive.

maybe you should worry about the people the US is slaughtering across the Middle East first

So we're back to prioritizing who's lives should be considered first?

Tell me Clyde, when do I get to worry about the innocent people in HK? Where are they on the list?

[clyde21]

US Provides Military Assistance to 73 Percent of World’s Dictatorships

https://truthout.org/articles/us-provides-military-assistance-to-73-percent-of-world-s-dictatorships/

but keep pretending we give a **** about Hong Kong's 'freedom'

[Duke4life831]

My biggest issue with all of this when it comes to the NBA is how much they brag about how progressive they are. Look at Rachel Nichols and the Charlotte bathroom thing, Steve Kerr blasting the NFL for bowing down to their audience because of the anthem thing and bragging at how progressive the NBA is on these kind of issues.

But there Rachel Nichols in China doing her show. There Steve Kerr staying silent on the issue. It's also not like this is some under the radar issue either, or it's a brand new one that just started with the HK stuff.

Forgive for not buying the excuse, "oh I just don't know enough about the subject to comment" when I have to hear all the time about how progressive and woke you are on social issues. It just so happens that when it is on a subject that can cost you big time money, that is when you are quiet on the subject. But if it's a subject that can get you a ton of retweets and social popularity points, no hesitation to say something. All this stuff is just fake virtue signaling in my opinion.

[Arman_tanzarian]

China is going to go to HK and just murder each citizen? No? Then what exactly are you talking about here? These people are Chinese citizens, if China gets HK back proper and they go back to China proper with no fighting they'll be welcomed. If they don't they'll probably be killed or imprisoned. This is no different from any other country and how they act towards their citizens/defectors.

They're only stranded because they support western imperialism over their Chinese authoritarianism.

You think China, of all places, is going to ignore the protestors? Not identify them? Ignore the journalists and political bloggers? Give them a pass.

People are going to die. Don't be naive.

maybe you should worry about the people the US is slaughtering across the Middle East first

Why not both?

[Arman_tanzarian]

My biggest issue with all of this when it comes to the NBA is how much they brag about how progressive they are. Look at Rachel Nichols and the Charlotte bathroom thing, Steve Kerr blasting the NFL for bowing down to their audience because of the anthem thing and bragging at how progressive the NBA is on these kind of issues.

But there Rachel Nichols in China doing her show. There Steve Kerr staying silent on the issue. It's also not like this is some under the radar issue either, or it's a brand new one that just started with the HK stuff.

Forgive for not buying the excuse, "oh I just don't know enough about the subject to comment" when I have to hear all the time about how progressive and woke you are on social issues. It just so happens that when it is on a subject that can cost you big time money, that is when you are quiet on the subject. But if it's a subject that can get you a ton of retweets and social popularity points, no hesitation to say something. All this stuff is just fake virtue signaling in my opinion.

Rachel and Steve =/= NBA. In a clash between morality and money, money usually wins.

[clyde21]

You think China, of all places, is going to ignore the protestors? Not identify them? Ignore the journalists and political bloggers? Give them a pass.

People are going to die. Don't be naive.

maybe you should worry about the people the US is slaughtering across the Middle East first

So we're back to prioritizing who's lives should be considered first?

Tell me Clyde, when do I get to worry about the innocent people in HK? Where are they on the list?

Westerners have no place to talk about Hong Kong's freedom and Human Rights while they're literally sponsoring genocide and ethnic cleansing in Yemen, Palestine, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, and Sudan

ya'll don't have a leg to to stand on, it's funny how Hong Kong has been front page news...but where the **** is the front page news on the 90 thousand Yemeni children that have starved to death because of the US-Saudi backed slaughter of Yemenis huh?

or maybe ya'll just pick and choose what/who you care about, at least be honest and let's call it a day.

[Duffman100]

You think China, of all places, is going to ignore the protestors? Not identify them? Ignore the journalists and political bloggers? Give them a pass.

People are going to die. Don't be naive.

maybe you should worry about the people the US is slaughtering across the Middle East first

Why not both?

Nope, there's a list of priority. Can you can't worry about one, until the other is totally solved.

[pontius]

Yeah, China is well-known to exaggerate everything that criticizes their politics, so Morey should've seen that coming and so should've the league. It was bound to happen. Not expecting China to react to it is like not expecting the NBA to react if Morey was writing some racist **** instead just because he's expressing his personal opinion and not the league's official policy. You can't be virtue signalling and getting blood money at the same time. Maybe Harden can go to one of them uyghur camps and tell everybody things ain't that bad out there. The whole situation is absolutely pathetic for all parties involved.

[E-Balla]

My biggest issue with all of this when it comes to the NBA is how much they brag about how progressive they are. Look at Rachel Nichols and the Charlotte bathroom thing, Steve Kerr blasting the NFL for bowing down to their audience because of the anthem thing and bragging at how progressive the NBA is on these kind of issues.

But there Rachel Nichols in China doing her show. There Steve Kerr staying silent on the issue. It's also not like this is some under the radar issue either, or it's a brand new one that just started with the HK stuff.

Forgive for not buying the excuse, "oh I just don't know enough about the subject to comment" when I have to hear all the time about how progressive and woke you are on social issues. It just so happens that when it is on a subject that can cost you big time money, that is when you are quiet on the subject. But if it's a subject that can get you a ton of retweets and social popularity points, no hesitation to say something. All this stuff is just fake virtue signaling in my opinion.

No this isn't like US social issues. This is a 2 sided and complex issue. One side is authoritarianism and the other is colonialism. On the social issues they speak on one side is government sanctioned lynchings, tyranny, and deregarding of human rights. The other side is equality. There's no other defensible side to "stop killing innocent people extrajudicially" or "let people use public bathrooms".

[Duffman100]

maybe you should worry about the people the US is slaughtering across the Middle East first

So we're back to prioritizing who's lives should be considered first?

Tell me Clyde, when do I get to worry about the innocent people in HK? Where are they on the list?

Westerners have no place to talk about Hong Kong's freedom and Human Rights while they're literally sponsoring genocide and ethnic cleansing in Yemen, Palestine, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, and Sudan

ya'll don't have a leg to to stand on, it's funny how Hong Kong has been front page news...but where the **** are 90 thousand Yemeni children that have starved to death becaue of the US-Saudi backed slaughter of Yemenis huh?

or maybe ya'll just pick and choose what/who you care about huh

You have no clue about me. What my leanings are, what I talk about. That I actively vote against the parties in Canada that have supported deals with the Saudis over weapons.

so before you cast judgment on me and where my concerns are, perhaps you should actually know where I am.

[MrBigShot]

There are lives at risk across the board.

Trans lives at risk.
On Hong Kong there are lives at risk.

Who are you to say which lives should be ignored?

trans lives are not at risk if we don't allow men to walk into girls bathrooms

to compare that issue to the outright genocide in Xinjiang is both laughable and disgusting at the same time

almost as comical as the NBA pandering to this nonsense while simultaneously getting in bed with China and UAE and Israel and numerous other historically genocidal regimes on the planet.

If you are naive enough to believe the bathroom issue isn't a deeper cause rooted in discrimination, abuse and high suicide rates than I'm not sure what to say.

It's an issue but I feel like this is a bit of an oversimplification of what the issue is. There are legitimate ramifications that the bathroom issue has for women's safety. In the world today you have predators like Jessiva Yaniv masquerading as women who are allowed to exist (anyone unfamiliar feel free to google). Would anyone be okay with an individual like that or the trans woman that destroyed property and threatened to fight an employee at game stop entering a bathroom with their sister/wife/mother? I wouldn't.

I feel like it's pretty strange/out of place to compare the bathroom issue with the human rights atrocities happening in china.

[clyde21]

You think China, of all places, is going to ignore the protestors? Not identify them? Ignore the journalists and political bloggers? Give them a pass.

People are going to die. Don't be naive.

maybe you should worry about the people the US is slaughtering across the Middle East first

Why not both?

because it's coming from a hypocritical viewpoint, America talking about 'freedom' and 'democracy' while slaughtering and displacing millions across the Middle East and sponsoring most of the world's oppressive regimes

[Duke4life831]

My biggest issue with all of this when it comes to the NBA is how much they brag about how progressive they are. Look at Rachel Nichols and the Charlotte bathroom thing, Steve Kerr blasting the NFL for bowing down to their audience because of the anthem thing and bragging at how progressive the NBA is on these kind of issues.

But there Rachel Nichols in China doing her show. There Steve Kerr staying silent on the issue. It's also not like this is some under the radar issue either, or it's a brand new one that just started with the HK stuff.

Forgive for not buying the excuse, "oh I just don't know enough about the subject to comment" when I have to hear all the time about how progressive and woke you are on social issues. It just so happens that when it is on a subject that can cost you big time money, that is when you are quiet on the subject. But if it's a subject that can get you a ton of retweets and social popularity points, no hesitation to say something. All this stuff is just fake virtue signaling in my opinion.

Rachel and Steve =/= NBA. In a clash between morality and money, money usually wins.

NBA takes away all star game from Charlotte because of trans bathroom bill. While at the same time talking to Dubai trying to maybe set up a connection so maybe they can get games there. Homosexuality is illegal in UAE.

I mean if that isn't the definition of hypocrisy and virtue signaling, I don't know what is then.