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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#701 » by Nuntius » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:18 pm

rickxdel wrote:as they strong-arm Philly for a trade.


I want to focus on this part a bit. The "strong-arming". Let's make another thing clear. This is not a situation where a star forces his way out of his small-market team that is so desperately trying to keep him. This is pretty much the opposite. The Sixers are not a small-market team and they have been shopping Simmons for almost a year now. They tried to trade him long before he made his trade request. The Sixers would have definitely traded Simmons already if it wasn't for Morey overvaluing him and asking teams for way, wayyyy too much.

The Sixers are not victims here. Let's not portray them as such.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#702 » by zimpy27 » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:25 pm

Myth wrote:As somebody who works in mental health, there are times when you assume somebody is manipulating the system, but there isn't much you can do about that because it is too hard to prove they are lying. The part I turn to is the idea that most companies in the US don't continue to pay you while you are on a mental health leave. During a leave, your job is protected, you can apply for some assistance from your state (Good luck qualifying for that, Ben), and you can continue receiving benefits (that you still pay for). I don't know what systems are in place in the NBA regarding mental health leaves, but the idea that not getting paid while on mental health leave is causing worse mental health would not fly in most other places.


I think there has to be a reason a player doesn't want to play basketball that goes beyond not wanting to.

This isn't the same as a 9 to 5 job that most be dislike and suffer through for the money. This is doing something that most do for fun. Obviously not all of it is fun but the conditioning aspects doesn't seem like a problem for Simmons.

You're talking about someone not doing something that you know they love. That should be red flags. What would cause them to not want to do something they love?
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#703 » by rickxdel » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:29 pm

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How about the mental health specialist that they themselves recommended? Do they accept reports from him? Because Simmons has met with a mental health specialist that the 76ers themselves recommended -> https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/264668/Ben-Simmons-Meets-With-76ers-Recommended-Mental-Health-Specialist

So, yeah, not sure what you're trying to say here.


1. Ben Simmons only met with a 76ers appointed mental health professional one time so far, for one hour this past Monday November 8th.

2. This meeting just happened to occur right after the team started fining him again due to a lack of communication and clarity on his progress over the past two weeks despite the team's attempts to reach out

3. Rich Paul himself said that one meeting with the Philly therapist was not enough to make any sort of recommendation, direct quote: "He’s not there yet. How can a doctor, who has only met with Ben once, say, ‘Ben is mentally ready to play?’ So do we keep digging on him, or help him?” so what is your point about 'How about a mental health specialist they themselves recommended?" In order for Sixers to accept that specialist's opinion #4 must happen

4. Sixers want Ben to continue working with the therapist they provided and provide documentation of progress, not much to ask for someone who isn't performing the duties his job requires yet still wants to receive full pay. We shall see if Ben actually complies this time

Seems to me Ben clearly wants out of Philly, doesn't want to play for them while still getting paid. Wants to have his cake and eat it too.


He 100% wants out of Philly. I don't think that anyone is saying otherwise. Whether he wants to still get paid remains while not playing remains to be seen. His agent implied otherwise in that article but I generally do not trust Rich Paul so what he says doesn't matter all that much to me.

It is still important to note that the 76ers have elected to ignore the NBPA-affiliated therapist that Simmons was seeing and have instead insisted on Simmons seeing the therapist of their choosing. They pulled the same **** with Markelle Fultz and it wasn't pretty for them. We'll see if they want to continue down that path.


Rich Paul most definitely is implying he wants Ben to continue getting paid while not playing, thats the big scam here.

Here are a couple quotes:
“I truly believe the fines, the targeting, the negative publicity shined on the issue — that’s very unnecessary and has furthered the mental health issues for Ben,” Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul said. “Either you help Ben, or come out and say he’s lying. Which one is it?”


Paul drew a contrast between the situation with Simmons and that of Houston Rockets guard John Wall, another of his clients, who is being paid by Houston while sitting out the season, even though he is healthy enough to play. “John is able to play, but Houston is OK using the (Collective Bargaining Agreement) to pay him not to play,” Paul said. “So which way is it? John is perfectly healthy and ready to play, and it’s OK in the CBA. We are being professional with both instances, but how can it go both ways? John and the Rockets have been professional about their situation, and we are also expecting the same with the 76ers.”


And supporting the case that money is a top priority for ben and rich paul, through his behavior:

Ben told the team about the mental health stuff two weeks into training camp, once he was cleared from his previous excuse of back pain and after being fined for missing practices etc.

Sixers say Ben was not communicating on his progress with them since then despite their attempts to reach out so they resumed the fines Nov 5th, and all of a sudden on Nov 8th Ben obliges to meet with a Sixers therapist for a 1hr meeting.

Money is clearly a top priority for Ben and Rich in this situation.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#704 » by Flash4thewin » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:36 pm

Nuntius wrote:
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How about the mental health specialist that they themselves recommended? Do they accept reports from him? Because Simmons has met with a mental health specialist that the 76ers themselves recommended -> https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/264668/Ben-Simmons-Meets-With-76ers-Recommended-Mental-Health-Specialist

So, yeah, not sure what you're trying to say here.

There was other reports that he sought an outside mental health specialist. The link you provided indicates that Ben Simmons is repeatedly not cooperating, so yeah, not sure what you're trying to say here. So whether he has an outside mental health professional and they aren't supplying evidence that he requires time away from the team for mental health reasons or he is simply not cooperating with the provider the team connected him to, either way this further justifies that he is claiming mental health issues but not supplying enough info or meeting criteria to justify his leave. You don't get to claim mental health issues and require accommodations without a professional backing it up.


He has been receiving mental health help from an NBPA-affiliated therapist ever since this summer, yes. The specialist that the 76ers indicated is a new development which seems to indicate that the Sixers aren't willing to trust the NBPA-affiliated therapist. Which is not weird to see at all. The Sixers also didn't trust independent therapists when Markelle Fultz used one and got a diagnosis that the Sixers disagreed with. The Sixers were proved wrong in Fultz's case since the Orlando medical team confirmed that his injury was serious when he was traded to them (remember, the Sixers kept clearing an obviously-injured Fultz). My guess is that they'll be proved wrong once again.


This makes no sense. The Orlando team did physicals on Fultz and approved the trade. No where did Orlando say they were mislead. No where did the Magic file a complaint or grievance with the League that the 76ers lied.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#705 » by Nuntius » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:39 pm

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1. Ben Simmons only met with a 76ers appointed mental health professional one time so far, for one hour this past Monday November 8th.

2. This meeting just happened to occur right after the team started fining him again due to a lack of communication and clarity on his progress over the past two weeks despite the team's attempts to reach out

3. Rich Paul himself said that one meeting with the Philly therapist was not enough to make any sort of recommendation, direct quote: "He’s not there yet. How can a doctor, who has only met with Ben once, say, ‘Ben is mentally ready to play?’ So do we keep digging on him, or help him?” so what is your point about 'How about a mental health specialist they themselves recommended?" In order for Sixers to accept that specialist's opinion #4 must happen

4. Sixers want Ben to continue working with the therapist they provided and provide documentation of progress, not much to ask for someone who isn't performing the duties his job requires yet still wants to receive full pay. We shall see if Ben actually complies this time

Seems to me Ben clearly wants out of Philly, doesn't want to play for them while still getting paid. Wants to have his cake and eat it too.


He 100% wants out of Philly. I don't think that anyone is saying otherwise. Whether he wants to still get paid remains while not playing remains to be seen. His agent implied otherwise in that article but I generally do not trust Rich Paul so what he says doesn't matter all that much to me.

It is still important to note that the 76ers have elected to ignore the NBPA-affiliated therapist that Simmons was seeing and have instead insisted on Simmons seeing the therapist of their choosing. They pulled the same **** with Markelle Fultz and it wasn't pretty for them. We'll see if they want to continue down that path.


Rich Paul most definitely is implying he wants Ben to continue getting paid while not playing, thats the big scam here.

Here are a couple quotes:
“I truly believe the fines, the targeting, the negative publicity shined on the issue — that’s very unnecessary and has furthered the mental health issues for Ben,” Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul said. “Either you help Ben, or come out and say he’s lying. Which one is it?”


Paul drew a contrast between the situation with Simmons and that of Houston Rockets guard John Wall, another of his clients, who is being paid by Houston while sitting out the season, even though he is healthy enough to play. “John is able to play, but Houston is OK using the (Collective Bargaining Agreement) to pay him not to play,” Paul said. “So which way is it? John is perfectly healthy and ready to play, and it’s OK in the CBA. We are being professional with both instances, but how can it go both ways? John and the Rockets have been professional about their situation, and we are also expecting the same with the 76ers.”


And supporting the case that money is a top priority for ben and rich paul, through his behavior:

Ben told the team about the mental health stuff two weeks into training camp, once he was cleared from his previous excuse of back pain and after being fined for missing practices etc.

Sixers say Ben was not communicating on his progress with them since then despite their attempts to reach out so they resumed the fines Nov 5th, and all of a sudden on Nov 8th Ben obliges to meet with a Sixers therapist for a 1hr meeting.

Money is clearly a top priority for Ben and Rich in this situation.


Rich Paul also said the following:

“In this case, we have to get Ben help and not put finances above mental health,” Paul said. “As an agent, I understand contractual obligations and I hold myself accountable in this business. But if someone is telling you something, we can no longer turn a blind eye in today’s world.

“This is no longer about a trade. This is about finding a place where we can help Ben get back to his mental strength and get back on the floor. I want him on the floor playing the game that he loves. I want Ben on the floor whether that’s in a 76ers uniform or any other uniform, that’s not up to me, but I want him in a state where he can resume play. We want to cooperate and want to work him back on the floor.”


https://theathletic.com/news/ben-simmons-feels-76ers-want-to-force-him-to-play-team-responds-exclusive/Z33rajI00nWY/

Again, though, I don't care much about what Rich Paul is saying. I don't trust him at all and I do believe that he's generally **** over his non-star/non-LeBron affiliated clients. My reading on whether Ben wants to keep getting paid or not could definitely be off.
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Post#706 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:41 pm

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Ryoga Hibiki wrote:the attitude of the general public towards him would completely change in both of those cases. But he can't expect of both manage things his own way cutting off the team and keep collecting paychecks.


Tell that to Markelle Fultz and Royce White. The fact is that the stigma against mental health is still quite strong in society and most people (and businesses and organizations and so on) are biased against people who struggle with mental health issues.
I am telling it to Ben Simmons, now.
And weren't you saying Fultz had neurological problems?

Anyway, you can't solve this expecting employers to cover all the costs. If those were the rules of the game years ago Royce White was never going to get drafted to begin with. That's how it works, I am seeing this regularly with women "at risk" of pregnancy, when the burden is left to the company: they adjust.

If this is a real problem, the NBAPA should take care: create a fund for this. Players and teams can put an equal part and with this you pay guys like Ben. Looking forward to see his colleagues how ready they are to help him

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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#707 » by Nuntius » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:43 pm

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Myth wrote:There was other reports that he sought an outside mental health specialist. The link you provided indicates that Ben Simmons is repeatedly not cooperating, so yeah, not sure what you're trying to say here. So whether he has an outside mental health professional and they aren't supplying evidence that he requires time away from the team for mental health reasons or he is simply not cooperating with the provider the team connected him to, either way this further justifies that he is claiming mental health issues but not supplying enough info or meeting criteria to justify his leave. You don't get to claim mental health issues and require accommodations without a professional backing it up.


He has been receiving mental health help from an NBPA-affiliated therapist ever since this summer, yes. The specialist that the 76ers indicated is a new development which seems to indicate that the Sixers aren't willing to trust the NBPA-affiliated therapist. Which is not weird to see at all. The Sixers also didn't trust independent therapists when Markelle Fultz used one and got a diagnosis that the Sixers disagreed with. The Sixers were proved wrong in Fultz's case since the Orlando medical team confirmed that his injury was serious when he was traded to them (remember, the Sixers kept clearing an obviously-injured Fultz). My guess is that they'll be proved wrong once again.


This makes no sense. The Orlando team did physicals on Fultz and approved the trade. No where did Orlando say they were mislead. No where did the Magic file a complaint or grievance with the League that the 76ers lied.


I didn't say that they were mislead. All I said is that they confirmed that Fultz was injured when they got him. That's why they shut him down for the rest of that season. Here's Steve Clifford talking about it:

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Post#708 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:44 pm

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Nuntius wrote:He 100% wants out of Philly. I don't think that anyone is saying otherwise. Whether he wants to still get paid remains while not playing remains to be seen.

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your last sentence is just ridiculous.
there's just no way someone can say that it "remains to be seen", it's a tremendous hit on your objectivity here.

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Post#709 » by Nuntius » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:49 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:I am telling it to Ben Simmons, now.
And weren't you saying Fultz had neurological problems?


Yes, I was. And his problem turned out to be indeed physical in nature. That didn't stop a ton of people in here from calling him "a mental midget", "a nutcase" and "mentally weak", did it? It didn't stop the stigma against mental health even if he didn't actually suffer from it.

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:Anyway, you can't solve this expecting employers to cover all the costs. If those were the rules of the game years ago Royce White was never going to get drafted to begin with. That's how it works, I am seeing this regularly with women "at risk" of pregnancy, when the burden is left to the company: they adjust.


The "adjust" part in this case means that they are fully willing to violate someone's rights if it helps their bottom-line. Something that wouldn't be tolerated if our economic system didn't put profits over human rights but that's a different discussion.
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Post#710 » by azcatz11 » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:52 pm

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And that's pretty much the reason why I'm "defending" him. Because the reality is that every worker should have the protection of a strong union that protects their rights.


If everyone did what BS is doing - society wouldn't function. Everyone would just claim mental illness so they wouldn't have to work and get paid. We both know he's full of it


Society would actually function much better if worker's rights were respected and everyday people weren't trashed on their job on the daily.


I agree with that - but in this case, he's scamming the system and not being truthful. We can agree to disagree here
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Post#711 » by Tomjas » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:53 pm

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If everyone did what BS is doing - society wouldn't function. Everyone would just claim mental illness so they wouldn't have to work and get paid. We both know he's full of it


Society would actually function much better if worker's rights were respected and everyday people weren't trashed on their job on the daily.


I agree with that - but in this case, he's scamming the system and not being truthful. We can agree to disagree here


In this case, you just made that up because you have no information on his condition
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Post#712 » by Nuntius » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:55 pm

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Ryoga Hibiki wrote:just wow

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your last sentence is just ridiculous.
there's just no way someone can say that it "remains to be seen", it's a tremendous hit on your objectivity here.

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See my reply to rickxdel for this. Rich Paul literally said in this interview that we shouldn't put finances above mental health. Now, I don't trust Rich Paul so this could just be the PR spin that he's trying to put on but that's why the "remains to be seen" part is there. This is an ongoing situation. We cannot be sure about what happens in the future.
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Post#713 » by bebopdeluxe » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:55 pm

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rickxdel wrote:as they strong-arm Philly for a trade.


I want to focus on this part a bit. The "strong-arming". Let's make another thing clear. This is not a situation where a star forces his way out of his small-market team that is so desperately trying to keep him. This is pretty much the opposite. The Sixers are not a small-market team and they have been shopping Simmons for almost a year now. They tried to trade him long before he made his trade request. The Sixers would have definitely traded Simmons already if it wasn't for Morey overvaluing him and asking teams for way, wayyyy too much.

The Sixers are not victims here. Let's not portray them as such.


I call bulcrap on this ish.

“They have been shopping Simmons for almost a year now.”

Before the Atlanta series, the only reported trade talks surrounding Simmons were for JAMES FREAKING HARDEN. Harden became available. The Sixers inquired about him.

FLASH REALGM POLL: How many people would have traded Ben Simmons for James Harden last fall?

(i vote “yes”, for the record).

Other than THAT TRADE, please post links from reputable sources (Shams, Woj, etc) of ALL THE OTHER TRADE DISCUSSIONS that Morey had with other teams for Simmons before the end of the playoffs.

Thanks.
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If everyone did what BS is doing - society wouldn't function. Everyone would just claim mental illness so they wouldn't have to work and get paid. We both know he's full of it


Society would actually function much better if worker's rights were respected and everyday people weren't trashed on their job on the daily.


I agree with that - but in this case, he's scamming the system and not being truthful. We can agree to disagree here


You can believe that he's scamming the system all you want. At the end of the day, that's just an opinion and, yes, we can agree to disagree on this or any other opinion. We just shouldn't pretend that our opinions are facts.
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Society would actually function much better if worker's rights were respected and everyday people weren't trashed on their job on the daily.


I agree with that - but in this case, he's scamming the system and not being truthful. We can agree to disagree here


In this case, you just made that up because you have no information on his condition


I just hope he gets the help he needs. He really should rethink his basketball career also and focus on getting mentally ready. I hope he takes a couple of years off and voids his contract so he can be okay
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Post#716 » by Nuntius » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:58 pm

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rickxdel wrote:as they strong-arm Philly for a trade.


I want to focus on this part a bit. The "strong-arming". Let's make another thing clear. This is not a situation where a star forces his way out of his small-market team that is so desperately trying to keep him. This is pretty much the opposite. The Sixers are not a small-market team and they have been shopping Simmons for almost a year now. They tried to trade him long before he made his trade request. The Sixers would have definitely traded Simmons already if it wasn't for Morey overvaluing him and asking teams for way, wayyyy too much.

The Sixers are not victims here. Let's not portray them as such.


I call bulcrap on this ish.

“They have been shopping Simmons for almost a year now.”

Before the Atlanta series, the only reported trade talks surrounding Simmons were for JAMES FREAKING HARDEN. Harden became available. The Sixers inquired about him.

FLASH REALGM POLL: How many people would have traded Ben Simmons for James Harden last fall?

(i vote “yes”, for the record).

Other than THAT TRADE, please post links from reputable sources (Shams, Woj, etc) of ALL THE OTHER TRADE DISCUSSIONS that Morey had with other teams for Simmons before the end of the playoffs.

Thanks.


Yes, I'm quite aware that it was for James Harden. Does that change the fact that they tried to trade him? Nope, it doesn't. Maybe shopped wasn't the accurate way to phrase it and I should have just said "tried to trade" but they absolutely did try to trade him before he asked out. There's no denying that.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#717 » by bebopdeluxe » Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:05 pm

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I want to focus on this part a bit. The "strong-arming". Let's make another thing clear. This is not a situation where a star forces his way out of his small-market team that is so desperately trying to keep him. This is pretty much the opposite. The Sixers are not a small-market team and they have been shopping Simmons for almost a year now. They tried to trade him long before he made his trade request. The Sixers would have definitely traded Simmons already if it wasn't for Morey overvaluing him and asking teams for way, wayyyy too much.

The Sixers are not victims here. Let's not portray them as such.


I call bulcrap on this ish.

“They have been shopping Simmons for almost a year now.”

Before the Atlanta series, the only reported trade talks surrounding Simmons were for JAMES FREAKING HARDEN. Harden became available. The Sixers inquired about him.

FLASH REALGM POLL: How many people would have traded Ben Simmons for James Harden last fall?

(i vote “yes”, for the record).

Other than THAT TRADE, please post links from reputable sources (Shams, Woj, etc) of ALL THE OTHER TRADE DISCUSSIONS that Morey had with other teams for Simmons before the end of the playoffs.

Thanks.


Yes, I'm quite aware that it was for James Harden. Does that change the fact that they tried to trade him? Nope, it doesn't. Maybe shopped wasn't the accurate way to phrase it and I should have just said "tried to trade" but they absolutely did try to trade him before he asked out. There's no denying that.


I was an equity portfolio manager for 20 years. The best piece of advice I got from my mentor was this:

“Every day, every stock in my portfolio is for sale.”

In the fall of 2020, I trade Ben Simmons for James Harden every day that ends in y.

And guess what? When you sign a contract for $177 million, if you don’t want to be traded - or won’t accept being traded - demand a no- trade clause. Simple.

It is a shame that Simmons was butthurt about his name coming up in trade talks, but when the player you are being disscussed about being traded for is one of the top-3-to-5 offensive players of his generation, it is hard to get THAT bent, IMO.
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Post#718 » by Nuntius » Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:10 pm

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I call bulcrap on this ish.

“They have been shopping Simmons for almost a year now.”

Before the Atlanta series, the only reported trade talks surrounding Simmons were for JAMES FREAKING HARDEN. Harden became available. The Sixers inquired about him.

FLASH REALGM POLL: How many people would have traded Ben Simmons for James Harden last fall?

(i vote “yes”, for the record).

Other than THAT TRADE, please post links from reputable sources (Shams, Woj, etc) of ALL THE OTHER TRADE DISCUSSIONS that Morey had with other teams for Simmons before the end of the playoffs.

Thanks.


Yes, I'm quite aware that it was for James Harden. Does that change the fact that they tried to trade him? Nope, it doesn't. Maybe shopped wasn't the accurate way to phrase it and I should have just said "tried to trade" but they absolutely did try to trade him before he asked out. There's no denying that.


I was an equity portfolio manager for 20 years. The best piece of advice I got from my mentor was this:

“Every day, every stock in my portfolio is for sale.”

In the fall of 2020, I trade Ben Simmons for James Harden every day that ends in y.

And guess what? When you sign a contract for $177 million, if you don’t want to be traded - or won’t accept being traded - demand a no- trade clause. Simple.

It is a shame that Simmons was butthurt about his name coming up in trade talks, but when the player you are being disscussed about being traded for is one of the top-3-to-5 offensive players of his generation, it is hard to get THAT bent, IMO.


Here's the thing, though. I don't care whether Simmons was hurt about it or not. It doesn't change my argument. My argument is this:

This is not like those times where a star asks a trade away from his small-market franchise. It's not Kawhi asking out of San Antonio or AD asking out of NOLA. This is a big market that has been open to the idea of trading this player that is now refusing to trade him because they haven't found a good enough trade yet. Let's not pretend that the Sixers want to actually keep Simmons. They don't.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#719 » by Tomjas » Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:10 pm

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azcatz11 wrote:
I agree with that - but in this case, he's scamming the system and not being truthful. We can agree to disagree here


In this case, you just made that up because you have no information on his condition


I just hope he gets the help he needs. He really should rethink his basketball career also and focus on getting mentally ready. I hope he takes a couple of years off and voids his contract so he can be okay


Bjorn Borg retired at 26 as he was racked with anxiety

Stranger things have happened

Btw, why do you care so much about his contract money?

You will never see a cent of it so why worry?
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#720 » by azcatz11 » Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:11 pm

Tomjas wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
Tomjas wrote:
In this case, you just made that up because you have no information on his condition


I just hope he gets the help he needs. He really should rethink his basketball career also and focus on getting mentally ready. I hope he takes a couple of years off and voids his contract so he can be okay


Bjorn Borg retired at 26 as he was racked with anxiety

Stranger things have happened


I hope that's not the case, like I said. But when we see him suiting up for a new team a few days after he's traded...I expect you to rescind your position on this.
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