Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated

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Re: Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated 

Post#701 » by tsherkin » Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:24 am

Pelly24 wrote:Think the point of your last Graf always comes down to a fundamental truth of championship pursuits: You're not going to be a Title threat without at least two All-NBA level players, or an MVP with an all-star teammate and a great complementary supporting cast. Jokic is the best player in the league and the best he could do was get to the second round (with both of his best players injured basically). Giannis needed Middleton and Jrue to win a chip, and even then, everyone they played was injured. There is no other player in Trae's place who would make this team a serious threat. This isn't a Trae thing; he just needs a better teammate, either a legit top 20 player or someone just better than him.


Everyone needs help. Even the 94 Rockets, the 04 Pistons and the 2011 Mavs had immense and timely step-ups from their roleplayers.

I could see Trae winning a title if he didn't have to score as much. He isn't the guy who can handle 27+ ppg in the playoffs and all his playmaking duties and all that. The NBA is still ultimately a league where size matters, and he lacks that very specifically. But that doesn't mean he can't be part of successful teams. His playmaking is something which maintains in the playoffs. He just needs to find a way to lessen his usage against better teams. Maybe that means he isn't the best guy on his team, maybe it just means he isn't the focal scorer. Not sure which would be better.

Speaking to your point and reiterating my earlier remark, though, playing alongside Dejounte Murray definitely isn't going to do it, that much is clear.
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Re: Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated 

Post#702 » by dygaction » Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:29 am

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after shooting the lights out in Dec, Trae is struggling again in Jan, only making 36.0 fg% and 25.7% 3s. Those 10% or even 15% of 10-game swings are kind of crazy.
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Post#703 » by tsherkin » Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:46 am

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after shooting the lights out in Dec, Trae is struggling again in Jan, only making 36.0 fg% and 25.7% 3s. Those 10% or even 15% of 10-game swings are kind of crazy.


Dude takes 9 3PA/g and isn't Steph. When your 3Pr starts with a 4, you're gonna swing. Hell, even Steph does, at that, and he's the greatest 3pt shooter in the history of the league. He's just a little larger and better beneath the arc as a scorer, and his team doesn't also deploy him as their primary playmaker, so he can benefit from more catch and shoot. Trae is a career 30.4% 3PAST guy, right? Steph, who is deployed as a scorer first who works off-ball a ton, is a 61.0% assisted guy on his threes over his career. It makes a difference. Curry also takes about an 8th of his 3s from the corners, whereas Trae takes like 1 in 25 from there. There is an ability difference, but it does showcase the difference in deployment and something Atlanta can more specifically strive for in order to get more out of him... if they can find someone to support some of the shooting volume Trae presently handles.
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Post#704 » by sikma42 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 2:29 pm

The more I think about it, I’m actually intrigued by Trae Young on the Spurs. I doubt they wanna cash in any chips but his contract isn’t too much longer and it would immediately provide structure for the team, which would further develop their current and future squad.

I’m not sure what the price for Young is but he would fit very well with Wemby.


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Post#705 » by MalonesElbows » Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:37 pm

Just don't think you can build a championship team around a 6'0" .58% TS first option. It's up to the Hawks if they want to continue on this route or not over the next 10 years.
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Post#706 » by durden_tyler » Mon Jan 22, 2024 4:06 am

MalonesElbows wrote:Just don't think you can build a championship team around a 6'0" .58% TS first option. It's up to the Hawks if they want to continue on this route or not over the next 10 years.


They'll trade him when he has little trade value left. This year i think they can still trick other teams in trading him with a value of a star. But they are dumb and want mediocrity so they will stick with him but if they are wise, just trade high now...
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Post#707 » by ChuckChilly » Mon Jan 22, 2024 4:59 am

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MalonesElbows wrote:Just don't think you can build a championship team around a 6'0" .58% TS first option. It's up to the Hawks if they want to continue on this route or not over the next 10 years.


They'll trade him when he has little trade value left. This year i think they can still trick other teams in trading him with a value of a star. But they are dumb and want mediocrity so they will stick with him but if they are wise, just trade high now...


Trade high? For who? What team out there would take Trae for a respectable return? And you basically contradicted yourself by saying the Hawks would have to "trick" a team into trading for him.
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Post#708 » by Ugly0598 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 5:50 am

He’s underrated but he can be a bit of me first chucker type who doesn’t play enough defense.
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Post#709 » by ItsDanger » Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:34 am

In NBA, if you're that good of an individual player, you should be able to dominate games more easily and get your team further.

Career TS of 53% in playoffs. Team stinks this season and he turns 26 starting in 24/25 season.

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Post#710 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Jan 26, 2024 4:41 pm

Hawks have completely fallen apart...without Trae Young healthy.

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Post#712 » by tsherkin » Fri Jan 26, 2024 7:10 pm

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Volume means less at a shade below league average efficiency. .459 3PAr continues to explain why he swings so violently. Offensive impact is solid: 15th overall in O-EPM, for example. But he does have his limitations. He might make it, but there's a lot of talent in the league right now, even in the conference. He wouldn't be an inappropriate selection for the EC reserve list, but it wouldn't be a surprise if he whiffed, either.

EDIT: And that tweet is mopey whinging.
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Post#713 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Jan 26, 2024 7:51 pm

tsherkin wrote:EDIT: And that tweet is mopey whinging.



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That's what we do. :wink:
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Post#714 » by tsherkin » Fri Jan 26, 2024 7:57 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:We're Hawks fans.

That's what we do. :wink:


All fanbases do, of course xD
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Post#715 » by KembaWalker » Fri Jan 26, 2024 8:08 pm

Lol is that Derrick White on the all star ballot? The hell :lol:
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Post#716 » by wco81 » Fri Jan 26, 2024 8:22 pm

If Hawks fans wanted Trae in the All-Star game, they could have voted him in.

Same thing for Knicks fans whining about Brunson not making it as starter.

But real fans still care about the All Star game? I know the stars want to hang out with their peers but honestly, rest is better.
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Re: Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated 

Post#717 » by Ice Man » Fri Jan 26, 2024 8:35 pm

He's a fun player, super crafty. He would be a deserved All Star if he did two of these three things -

1) Scored a lot, while being efficient.
2) Passed great.
3) Defended well.

But since he only does the 2nd ... eh. Not really.
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Re: Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated 

Post#718 » by Bum Adebayo » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:44 pm

Yeah the main thing is that his offense is not THAT good, slightly below league average in TS%, even considering he gets a friendly whistle and gets to the line a lot like Embiid, but that's not enough to boost his efficiency to very good status.
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Re: Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated 

Post#719 » by tsherkin » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:52 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:Yeah the main thing is that his offense is not THAT good, slightly below league average in TS%, even considering he gets a friendly whistle and gets to the line a lot like Embiid, but that's not enough to boost his efficiency to very good status.


Two minor corrections.

His SCORING is not that good. His offense is actually pretty strong. Again, #15 in the league in offensive impact is nothing to sneeze at. Not first tier, of course, and that rests almost entirely on his scoring efficiency, but he does pretty well. At least in the RS.

Also, comparison to Embiid doesn't make sense. Trae is a .415 FTr guy, which is above average but nothing crazy. Embiid is a .545 FTr guy this season and he's twice averaged .600 FTr on a season (consecutive years, no less). It isn't in the same category between the two.
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