2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th)

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Who wins the 2024 NBA FINALS?

Poll ended at Sat Jun 8, 2024 3:00 am

Celtics in 4
14
3%
Celtics in 5
60
12%
Celtics in 6
138
29%
Celtics in 7
38
8%
Mavericks in 4
14
3%
Mavericks in 5
19
4%
Mavericks in 6
161
33%
Mavericks in 7
40
8%
 
Total votes: 484

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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#701 » by Swish1906 » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:37 pm

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Swish1906 wrote:
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For sure.

Id also expect for the Celtics to run through the West too.

Everyone is dissing on them and their path but don't really acknowledge that the Celtics pace against the West had them on course for the same record they ended up with anyway.

I don't think it's a hot take to say the Celtics would of beat the suns, OKC and wolves or that because the Mavs did it and the Celtics didn't that the Celtics are unequipped and unprepared for the finals like others have suggested.

Luka is gonna get his. Irving will maybe sometimes get his. Tatum and Brown will cancel that out. Expecting for them to fall off from their pace and not Luka and Irving screams a bias to me that doesn't ring true with the facts.

I'll take Jrue, White and KP over the Mavs next 3.


I find it interesting that you expect a near 100% KP popping up on the court after missing 5+ weeks. Guess KP wasn’t long enough on your team yet. I take everyone of the Mavs next 3 over KP in his current injury/questionable status


You might find this interesting too. Celtics don't need KP to beat the Mavs.

Celtics in 5


The only interesting thing is that it’s pointless to actually try to talk basketball with you. Sure the Celtics won’t need KP because Horford and Luke Kornet are great and mobile enough to defend the constant 48min PnR with Lively and Gafford :roll:

Celtics in 3!!!!!111111
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Post#702 » by Bob8 » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:38 pm

The Corey's wrote:
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You might find this interesting too. Celtics don't need KP to beat the Mavs.

Celtics in 5


You understand that you look insecure by repeating Celtics in 5?



It's not insecurity. It's my prediction. Stand by your take my friend, I am.

Nothing you're saying about Luka is going to change my mind on who's winning this series.


Saying Celtics in 5, has 0 value in this debate, its only function is in convincing yourself. Repeating it means you need a lot of convincing. ;)
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#703 » by The Corey's » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:39 pm

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You didn't see how Mavs play in playoffs? Luka is the system.

OKC decided to guard only Luka and Kyrie so role players had great games. Minnesota went other way and were defeated by Luka and Kyrie. Nobody could solve that problem.

Luka scored "only" 36 because they doubled and blitzed him after Q1, consequently Mavs scored 120+.

Luka is far the most doubled and blitzed player in the league for the reason. Problem is that he's big guard, who can pass out of it easily and having Kyrie in that case is a luxury.


Right. Celtics in 5 though. Not particularly concerned on this debate y'all are having on who the better player is.


You're not interesting in how Mavs beat 1st, 3rd and 4th team in the West, who were much better than teams Celtics played against, without home court advantage. You should be. ;)


If you're asking me if I'm concerned with the Mavs then no, I'm not. No I'm not concerned that they beat 3 50 win teams, the Celtics beat 3 teams within 5 wins of 50, it ain't the difference people think it is.

The Celtics are the team to beat. Not the Mavs. Not OKC. Not the Wolves.

Luka is gonna get his and it won't be enough. Just like every other time we play him.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#704 » by The Corey's » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:40 pm

Swish1906 wrote:
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Swish1906 wrote:
I find it interesting that you expect a near 100% KP popping up on the court after missing 5+ weeks. Guess KP wasn’t long enough on your team yet. I take everyone of the Mavs next 3 over KP in his current injury/questionable status


You might find this interesting too. Celtics don't need KP to beat the Mavs.

Celtics in 5


The only interesting thing is that it’s pointless to actually try to talk basketball with you. Sure the Celtics won’t need KP because Horford and Luke Kornet are great and mobile enough to defend the constant 48min PnR with Lively and Gafford :roll:

Celtics in 3!!!!!111111


Why would the Celtics need KP? For real? They lost only one time without him all playoffs.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#705 » by Bob8 » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:42 pm

The Corey's wrote:
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Right. Celtics in 5 though. Not particularly concerned on this debate y'all are having on who the better player is.


You're not interesting in how Mavs beat 1st, 3rd and 4th team in the West, who were much better than teams Celtics played against, without home court advantage. You should be. ;)


If you're asking me if I'm concerned with the Mavs then no, I'm not. No I'm not concerned that they beat 3 50 win teams, the Celtics beat 3 teams within 5 wins of 50, it ain't the difference people think it is.

The Celtics are the team to beat. Not the Mavs. Not OKC. Not the Wolves.

Luka is gonna get his and it won't be enough. Just like every other time we play him.


Cool, previous opponents believed exactly the same, strangely enough they're not in the Finals.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#706 » by brackdan70 » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:44 pm

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K For Three wrote:I have the Boston Celtics winning the finals in whatever amount of games.


Kyrie for Three :wink:

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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#707 » by The Corey's » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:44 pm

Bob8 wrote:
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Bob8 wrote:
You understand that you look insecure by repeating Celtics in 5?



It's not insecurity. It's my prediction. Stand by your take my friend, I am.

Nothing you're saying about Luka is going to change my mind on who's winning this series.


Saying Celtics in 5, has 0 value in this debate, its only function is in convincing yourself. Repeating it means you need a lot of convincing. ;)


So the fact that the Celtics beat the Mavs by 20 a game, are undefeated against the mavs, lost 4 times at home ALL damn year, havent lost on the road in the playoffs and did that all without a 20 point scorer has you thinking the Celtics can't beat the Mavs in 5? That somehow that all adds up to the Mavs keeping pace with the Almighty?

I'm serious. The Celtics will rip right through this series.

Just don't act surprised when it happens. You got the preview here.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#708 » by The Corey's » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:44 pm

Bob8 wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
You're not interesting in how Mavs beat 1st, 3rd and 4th team in the West, who were much better than teams Celtics played against, without home court advantage. You should be. ;)


If you're asking me if I'm concerned with the Mavs then no, I'm not. No I'm not concerned that they beat 3 50 win teams, the Celtics beat 3 teams within 5 wins of 50, it ain't the difference people think it is.

The Celtics are the team to beat. Not the Mavs. Not OKC. Not the Wolves.

Luka is gonna get his and it won't be enough. Just like every other time we play him.


Cool, previous opponents believed exactly the same, strangely enough they're not in the Finals.


Comparing the Celtics to the previous opponents is why you're delusional. It's a wild comparison that I can't believe you keep repeating.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#709 » by bluejerseyjinx » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:51 pm

I find it hard to believe the haters, etc., want to punish the Celtics for taking care of their regular season and playoff performances to this point better than anyone else.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#710 » by BeiBeau » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:51 pm

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BeiBeau wrote:Boston has the all defensive players. But there is a reason Dallas has been the best defensive team in the NBA since March.

Dallas completely eliminated the paint against OKC, and largely did the same thing against Minnesota.

The questions are:

1. Can Bostons 5 out open the paint better then OKCs 5 out did?

2. Can Tatum/Brown be effective enough in the mid range to out score the onslaught of Luka and Kyrie?

You do realize the Celtics are the #1 three point shooting team in the NBA


We all **** know that. You do realized Boston can’t ONLY shoot 3s right?

Someone find me one single intelligent Celtics fan and I’ll eat a **** shoe.
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Post#711 » by Bob8 » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:53 pm

The Corey's wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
The Corey's wrote:

It's not insecurity. It's my prediction. Stand by your take my friend, I am.

Nothing you're saying about Luka is going to change my mind on who's winning this series.


Saying Celtics in 5, has 0 value in this debate, its only function is in convincing yourself. Repeating it means you need a lot of convincing. ;)


So the fact that the Celtics beat the Mavs by 20 a game, are undefeated against the Celtics, lost 4 times at home ALL damn year, havent lost on the road in the playoffs and did that all without a 20 point scorer has you thinking the Celtics can't beat the Mavs in 5? That somehow that all adds up to the Mavs keeping pace with the Almighty?

I'm serious. The Celtics will rip right through this series.

Just don't act surprised when it happens. You got the preview here.


You really don't understand why saying Celtics in 5 is stupid? Like it matters, if they win in 5 or in 7. You expect that Mavs will just lay down in front of almighty Celtics? Do you really believe that whoever came out of the bloody West is not having a chance?
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#712 » by ciueli » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:54 pm

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ciueli wrote:
The Indiana Pacers were one of the worst rebounding teams in the NBA last season (28th in the NBA) and they actually won the rebounding battle against the Celtics in the EC Finals, there is absolutely no excuse for that, Boston was 5th in rebounding during the regular season. Can't just handwave that away as a product of a bad matchup, especially when the Pacers were without Haliburton for 2/4 games.

Digging more into series stats, they main reason the Celtics won was the free throw disparity (90 FTA to the Pacers' 56) and 3 point shooting (34.9% on 172 attempts to the Pacers' 33.9% on 115 attempts) and they sure won't be able to rely on free throw disparity against the Mavericks (Mavs were 9th in FTA in the regular season, Boston 24th), there's real pressure on Boston to play better against Dallas because they won't be able to rely on Pascal Siakam bricking open 3s in crunch time.

The concern with Boston, is that they have not looked dominant at any point in these playoffs in spite of they hype, and they lost in 2022 to a team that seems very similar to this Dallas Mavericks team in construction, they let Steph pick them apart then and I could see it happening again with Luka. Maybe getting Porzingis back will fix this, but it remains to be seen if he really is healthy and ready to go.

They lost the 2022 finals because of the warriors defence.

Defensively their plan to stop everyone but Curry actually worked well but they just couldn’t score easily enough to capitalise.


I love how he says Boston hasn’t looked dominant all playoffs.

I mean, if you just forget about the first 2 rounds where they had the 2nd highest winning margin in NBA history.

But sure if you forget that and throw out they’re 12-2 in the playoffs, I guess he has a point.


Your team dropped a game against the Heat with no Jimmy Butler even when you had Porzingis for all but one game in the series, their third best player was either Caleb Martin or Jamie Jaquez Jr., that's a pushover team you shouldn't have lost a game to.

Then your team dropped a game against the Cavs without Jarrett Allen, a team so undersized they were starting 6'5" Isaac Okoro at PF, their main rotation literally had 1 player over 6'5", Evan Mobley. They didn't even have their star player Donovan Mitchell the last two games.

Then your team matched up against the Pacers, and they out rebound you for the series in spite of the fact that they were a bottom 3 rebounding team during the regular season and the Cetics were top 5, three out of the four games are close at the end in spite of them missing Mathurin the entire series and Haliburton half the series, that's their entire regular season starting backcourt BTW.

None of this inspires confidence heading into the next round against Dallas, Doncic is a vastly better player than anyone the Celtics have gone against so far this postseason, they are lighting tough Western Conference teams on fire with their play of late, they aren't undersized like the Heat and the Cavs were, and now we're hearing there's no guarantee Porzingis will suit up for game 1. If you aren't at least a little concerned about your teams chances in the Finals and how this is shaping up like 2022 did when the Celtics were also favoured you haven't been paying attention.
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Post#713 » by The Corey's » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:54 pm

Bob8 wrote:
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Bob8 wrote:
Saying Celtics in 5, has 0 value in this debate, its only function is in convincing yourself. Repeating it means you need a lot of convincing. ;)


So the fact that the Celtics beat the Mavs by 20 a game, are undefeated against the Celtics, lost 4 times at home ALL damn year, havent lost on the road in the playoffs and did that all without a 20 point scorer has you thinking the Celtics can't beat the Mavs in 5? That somehow that all adds up to the Mavs keeping pace with the Almighty?

I'm serious. The Celtics will rip right through this series.

Just don't act surprised when it happens. You got the preview here.


You really don't understand why saying Celtics in 5 is stupid? Like it matters, if they win in 5 or in 7. You expect that Mavs will just lay down in front of almighty Celtics? Do you really believe that whoever came out of the bloody West is not having a chance?


I do not expect for them to lay down. I expect for the Celtics to take it. Like they have all year.
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Post#714 » by Bob8 » Sat Jun 1, 2024 2:03 pm

The Corey's wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
So the fact that the Celtics beat the Mavs by 20 a game, are undefeated against the Celtics, lost 4 times at home ALL damn year, havent lost on the road in the playoffs and did that all without a 20 point scorer has you thinking the Celtics can't beat the Mavs in 5? That somehow that all adds up to the Mavs keeping pace with the Almighty?

I'm serious. The Celtics will rip right through this series.

Just don't act surprised when it happens. You got the preview here.


You really don't understand why saying Celtics in 5 is stupid? Like it matters, if they win in 5 or in 7. You expect that Mavs will just lay down in front of almighty Celtics? Do you really believe that whoever came out of the bloody West is not having a chance?


I do not expect for them to lay down. I expect for the Celtics to take it. Like they have all year.


And you believe Mavs are in the Finals by accident? They had negative record in RS with all 3 teams they beat pretty convincingly in playoffs. The question you should ask yourself should be why? But you rather say, Celtics in 5. :lol:

I'm here, if you want explanation, kinda not interested in Celtics in 5 arguments. Good luck in playoffs, I have a feeling it might be very stressful for you.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#715 » by Castle Black » Sat Jun 1, 2024 2:04 pm

The Corey's wrote:
Swish1906 wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
You might find this interesting too. Celtics don't need KP to beat the Mavs.

Celtics in 5


The only interesting thing is that it’s pointless to actually try to talk basketball with you. Sure the Celtics won’t need KP because Horford and Luke Kornet are great and mobile enough to defend the constant 48min PnR with Lively and Gafford :roll:

Celtics in 3!!!!!111111


Why would the Celtics need KP? For real? They lost only one time without him all playoffs.


They haven’t played a team nearly as good as Dallas yet. They need him healthy if they’re to win this series.
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Post#716 » by The Corey's » Sat Jun 1, 2024 2:11 pm

Bob8 wrote:
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Bob8 wrote:
You really don't understand why saying Celtics in 5 is stupid? Like it matters, if they win in 5 or in 7. You expect that Mavs will just lay down in front of almighty Celtics? Do you really believe that whoever came out of the bloody West is not having a chance?


I do not expect for them to lay down. I expect for the Celtics to take it. Like they have all year.


And you believe Mavs are in the Finals by accident? They had negative record in RS with all 3 teams they beat pretty convincingly in playoffs. The question you should ask yourself should be why? But you rather say, Celtics in 5. :lol:

I'm here, if you want explanation, kinda not interested in Celtics in 5 arguments. Good luck in playoffs, I have a feeling it might be very stressful for you.


I'm not interested in the Mavs are in the Celtics level just cause they're in the finals arguments either.

I think the games played speak for them self.

I've been here 20 years. I promise you I won't disappear just cause the Celtics win in 6 or lose in 7. It ain't that serious.

I'll be around to take my lickings.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#717 » by The Corey's » Sat Jun 1, 2024 2:12 pm

Castle Black wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
Swish1906 wrote:
The only interesting thing is that it’s pointless to actually try to talk basketball with you. Sure the Celtics won’t need KP because Horford and Luke Kornet are great and mobile enough to defend the constant 48min PnR with Lively and Gafford :roll:

Celtics in 3!!!!!111111


Why would the Celtics need KP? For real? They lost only one time without him all playoffs.


They haven’t played a team nearly as good as Dallas yet. They need him healthy if they’re to win this series.


I hear that argument alot. It doesn't take into account the Celtics already beat this Mavs team twice. Demolished them actually.

The Mavs haven't played a team like the Celtics is the real take. Not the other way around.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#718 » by KingofTheClay » Sat Jun 1, 2024 2:14 pm

This has to be looked in a vacuum. Prior series can be a very approximate gauge of level but it’s not very indicative of future outcomes.

Boston has probably 3 different defenders they can stick on Luka (JB, Tatum, Jrue) and 3 different defenders for Kyrie (Jrue, Derrick, JB). They can switch 1-4, hide Porzingis on DJJ and subsequently run various pre-switching schemes if necessary.

Mavericks had various offensive and defensive luxuries against Minnesota that they clearly will not have against Boston. Luka and Kyrie will be targeted incessantly by Bostons’ 5 out offense.

Now if Luka and Kyrie manage to go ballistic for 4 games then hats off to them, too good. But that’s not a very likely outcome considering they will be spending significant energy on defense and will be challenged by a swath of strong, quick perimeter defenders.


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Post#719 » by durden_tyler » Sat Jun 1, 2024 2:20 pm

The Celtics "not tested" argument is actually logical. And at the same time, the Mavs have been absolutely tested the entire time (Kawhi-less was the easiest one but the Clippers even without Kawhi are better than what the Celtics have faced in the first three rounds).

So while valid, the Celtics can't be blamed for the soft schedule because they are playing in the East.

This brings us to the "Jekyll and Hyde" Celtics where they play down to the competition when they feel bored (Game 2 losses vs Heat and Cavs) but when they play at their level (the level that got them the best record in the regular season, historically great as well) they are an elite team.

i doubt Celtics play below that level now (they won't underestimate the Mavs, who have shown that they are legit title contenders). i doubt the Celtics overlook the fact that the superstar in the other team might be the best player this series so their defense will adjust accordingly or perform as needed.

Celtics in 7. But i hope it ends in 6.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#720 » by 165bows » Sat Jun 1, 2024 2:21 pm

ciueli wrote:
AussieCeltic wrote:
GrandTheftRondo wrote:They lost the 2022 finals because of the warriors defence.

Defensively their plan to stop everyone but Curry actually worked well but they just couldn’t score easily enough to capitalise.


I love how he says Boston hasn’t looked dominant all playoffs.

I mean, if you just forget about the first 2 rounds where they had the 2nd highest winning margin in NBA history.

But sure if you forget that and throw out they’re 12-2 in the playoffs, I guess he has a point.


Your team dropped a game against the Heat with no Jimmy Butler even when you had Porzingis for all but one game in the series, their third best player was either Caleb Martin or Jamie Jaquez Jr., that's a pushover team you shouldn't have lost a game to.

Then your team dropped a game against the Cavs without Jarrett Allen, a team so undersized they were starting 6'5" Isaac Okoro at PF, their main rotation literally had 1 player over 6'5", Evan Mobley. They didn't even have their star player Donovan Mitchell the last two games.

Then your team matched up against the Pacers, and they out rebound you for the series in spite of the fact that they were a bottom 3 rebounding team during the regular season and the Cetics were top 5, three out of the four games are close at the end in spite of them missing Mathurin the entire series and Haliburton half the series, that's their entire regular season starting backcourt BTW.

None of this inspires confidence heading into the next round against Dallas, Doncic is a vastly better player than anyone the Celtics have gone against so far this postseason, they are lighting tough Western Conference teams on fire with their play of late, they aren't undersized like the Heat and the Cavs were, and now we're hearing there's no guarantee Porzingis will suit up for game 1. If you aren't at least a little concerned about your teams chances in the Finals and how this is shaping up like 2022 did when the Celtics were also favoured you haven't been paying attention.

So weird analogy clearly Dallas is a much closer representation of that 2022 Finals team. Hot streak to become a contender at the end the season, knocked off a couple of tough playoff teams.

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