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sunsbg wrote:Bob8 wrote:sunsbg wrote:
Leads the starters in FG%, Holmes is a garbage points scorer, so can't really count him. But you probably don't think scoring efficiently is that important.
Is there any team, whose C is not having the best Fg% of the team?
Is there any team, the player holding the ball most of the time is not 1st/2nd in assists ?Can go all day long using such weak logic
mabundo_nagumbe wrote:Who do you guys (especially Ayton stans) think is more FUN to watch, Luka or DA? This doesn't concern who is better (also because there is an obvious general opinion that Luka is the one who is better and many of us are getting fed up with this debate)
sunsbg wrote:mabundo_nagumbe wrote:Who do you guys (especially Ayton stans) think is more FUN to watch, Luka or DA? This doesn't concern who is better (also because there is an obvious general opinion that Luka is the one who is better and many of us are getting fed up with this debate)
90% will say Luka obviously and it will be true. Still I'm missing the great bigs from the past, would have loved to see Shaq, The Dream, Ewing and the Admiral dominate in todays NBA. Ayton is not playing like any of them(a bit of DR and PE though), too perimeter oriented, which makes his FG% that more impressive.
Post#1293 » by mcmurphy » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:52 pm
Some considerations about BPM (rookie players with mpg>23).
Player Age MP TS PER TOV% USG% BPM
Luka Doncic /19 /35.7/0.579 /14.5 /19.5 /25.4 /-2.3
Trae Young /20 /31.5/0.518 /14.6 /14.5 /26.6 /-3.1
Deandre Ayton /20 /31.2/0.667 /24 /8.2 /19.9 /4.5
Shai Gilgeous /20 /26.5/0.592 /13.7 /19.4 /15 /3.4
Jaren Jackson /19 /25/0.540 /18.1 /7.7 /23.2 /2.7
Wendell Carter /19 /23.7/0.480 /12.2 /13.6 /19.1 /-3.2
Collin Sexton /20 /23.5/0.522 /10.8 /14.6 /22.3 /-7.6
Marvin Bagley /19 /23.3/0.578 /18 /18.1 /23.7 /-0.1
The best players based on BPM are:
Ayton
Shai
JJ
Bagley
Doncic
Trae
The most important part of BPM formula is (see BBref glossary):
- g*USG%*TO% + h*USG%*(1-TO%)*[2*(TS% - TmTS%)
so the ADVANCED parameters most important are USG%, TO% and TS%.
IMO to have potential all-star caliber players we must have at least 35mpg, with high USG%, high TS% and possibly low TO rate.
Ayton very low TO%, high TS%, low USG (<20%) => increase 4mpg and USG%, mantaining TO e TS% => BPM+ (possible)
Shai very high TO% , good TS%, very low USG (15%) => increase 8 mpg and USG% and reduce TO => big boost BPM++ (difficult but possible)
JJ very low TO%, average TS% good usage rate (23%) => increase 10mpg mantain adv stats (difficult)
Bagley high TO%, good TS%, good USG% (23.7) => increase 12 mpg (difficult)
Doncic very high TO% , good TS%, very high USG (>25%) => ok mpg only reduce TO% => big boost BPM++ (very possible)
Trae high TO%, low TS%, very high USG (>25%) => +3 mpg only increase TS% => big boost BPM++ (very possible)
Archx wrote:sunsbg wrote:mabundo_nagumbe wrote:Who do you guys (especially Ayton stans) think is more FUN to watch, Luka or DA? This doesn't concern who is better (also because there is an obvious general opinion that Luka is the one who is better and many of us are getting fed up with this debate)
90% will say Luka obviously and it will be true. Still I'm missing the great bigs from the past, would have loved to see Shaq, The Dream, Ewing and the Admiral dominate in todays NBA. Ayton is not playing like any of them(a bit of DR and PE though), too perimeter oriented, which makes his FG% that more impressive.
Ayton is fun to watch because he is athletic and can really jump lol... But he also has an automatic mid range jumper, which is also a very nice weapon to have as a big guy. I just wish he would try and get more rebounds, because he has the body to do so. He really reminds me of Ewing/Robinson combo, so once he figures it out, he'll be a hell of a fun player to watch. But right now, Luka already produced so many highlights in only 30 games, it's absurd.
Archx wrote:Hesh wrote:
Ayton has:
511 points
334 rebs
75 ast
Damn he needed 25 more assists, almost made it. But this is at 32 games, so he's 4 games over. Not bad though. At least he would've had almost double the amount of rebounds needed to qualify
Ayton is starting to play like a veteran center... Dude is slowly figuring out. I am incredibly impressed by his last performances.
Ayton came somewhat late to the game, first really surfacing in the States at the 2013 Pangos All-American Camp as a 14-year-old. At Phoenix's Hillcrest Prep, becoming a defensive anchor wasn't a priority and he had total freedom to roam.
• While a standout on the Nike EYBL circuit, Ayton participated in minimal FIBA competition. He had few opportunities to learn on the fly in meaningful games like fellow bigs Wendell Carter Jr. or Jackson had. Simply put, Ayton -- already missing key development years early on -- wasn't always held accountable or tested on the floor before arriving in Tucson.
3toheadmelo wrote:Archx wrote:Hesh wrote:
Ayton has:
511 points
334 rebs
75 ast
Damn he needed 25 more assists, almost made it. But this is at 32 games, so he's 4 games over. Not bad though. At least he would've had almost double the amount of rebounds needed to qualify
Ayton is starting to play like a veteran center... Dude is slowly figuring out. I am incredibly impressed by his last performances.
he needs time to figure out everything. he's a rookie that has already missed key development years. i was reading about this a couple days ago.Ayton came somewhat late to the game, first really surfacing in the States at the 2013 Pangos All-American Camp as a 14-year-old. At Phoenix's Hillcrest Prep, becoming a defensive anchor wasn't a priority and he had total freedom to roam.
• While a standout on the Nike EYBL circuit, Ayton participated in minimal FIBA competition. He had few opportunities to learn on the fly in meaningful games like fellow bigs Wendell Carter Jr. or Jackson had. Simply put, Ayton -- already missing key development years early on -- wasn't always held accountable or tested on the floor before arriving in Tucson.
the good thing is that ayton is already showing improvements. just give him a year or 2 and watch how good he'll be
E-Balla wrote:He's improving on defense but improving from horrific to bad. 59% and 1 bpg the last month is terrible.
Doncic is closing the gap quickly now that he's finally playing like the stans thought he was playing the whole year. He seems to have figured out the speed of NBA ball and his turnovers are plummeting recently.
E-Balla wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Archx wrote:
Ayton is starting to play like a veteran center... Dude is slowly figuring out. I am incredibly impressed by his last performances.
he needs time to figure out everything. he's a rookie that has already missed key development years. i was reading about this a couple days ago.Ayton came somewhat late to the game, first really surfacing in the States at the 2013 Pangos All-American Camp as a 14-year-old. At Phoenix's Hillcrest Prep, becoming a defensive anchor wasn't a priority and he had total freedom to roam.
• While a standout on the Nike EYBL circuit, Ayton participated in minimal FIBA competition. He had few opportunities to learn on the fly in meaningful games like fellow bigs Wendell Carter Jr. or Jackson had. Simply put, Ayton -- already missing key development years early on -- wasn't always held accountable or tested on the floor before arriving in Tucson.
the good thing is that ayton is already showing improvements. just give him a year or 2 and watch how good he'll be
He's improving on defense but improving from horrific to bad. 59% and 1 bpg the last month is terrible.
Doncic is closing the gap quickly now that he's finally playing like the stans thought he was playing the whole year. He seems to have figured out the speed of NBA ball and his turnovers are plummeting recently.
3toheadmelo wrote:E-Balla wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:he needs time to figure out everything. he's a rookie that has already missed key development years. i was reading about this a couple days ago.
the good thing is that ayton is already showing improvements. just give him a year or 2 and watch how good he'll be
He's improving on defense but improving from horrific to bad. 59% and 1 bpg the last month is terrible.
Doncic is closing the gap quickly now that he's finally playing like the stans thought he was playing the whole year. He seems to have figured out the speed of NBA ball and his turnovers are plummeting recently.
his DFG% at the rim for this month is better than AD, Embiid, Steven Adams, Wendell Carter, Marvin Bagley, Andre Drummond, Jarrett Allen, Clint Capela, Mo Bamba, etc. so his DFG is not that bad when you think about it. i agree that he needs to be blocking more shots though.
Edit: his DFG is actually the same as Drummond. 58.9
E-Balla wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:E-Balla wrote:He's improving on defense but improving from horrific to bad. 59% and 1 bpg the last month is terrible.
Doncic is closing the gap quickly now that he's finally playing like the stans thought he was playing the whole year. He seems to have figured out the speed of NBA ball and his turnovers are plummeting recently.
his DFG% at the rim for this month is better than AD, Embiid, Steven Adams, Wendell Carter, Marvin Bagley, Andre Drummond, Jarrett Allen, Clint Capela, Mo Bamba, etc. so his DFG is not that bad when you think about it. i agree that he needs to be blocking more shots though.
Edit: his DFG is actually the same as Drummond. 58.9
Drummond is a **** defender that's ranked bottom 5 in defending the rim like 4 straight seasons. He ranked under KAT and Jahlil Okafor during their rookie seasons.
3toheadmelo wrote:E-Balla wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:his DFG% at the rim for this month is better than AD, Embiid, Steven Adams, Wendell Carter, Marvin Bagley, Andre Drummond, Jarrett Allen, Clint Capela, Mo Bamba, etc. so his DFG is not that bad when you think about it. i agree that he needs to be blocking more shots though.
Edit: his DFG is actually the same as Drummond. 58.9
Drummond is a **** defender that's ranked bottom 5 in defending the rim like 4 straight seasons. He ranked under KAT and Jahlil Okafor during their rookie seasons.
well besides Drummond, Ayton is in good company right now
E-Balla wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:E-Balla wrote:Drummond is a **** defender that's ranked bottom 5 in defending the rim like 4 straight seasons. He ranked under KAT and Jahlil Okafor during their rookie seasons.
well besides Drummond, Ayton is in good company right now
Agreed but imma need to see way more production on that end. We've seen KAT put it together for a month only to regress and Ayton is worse on that end than KAT ever seemed to be that young.
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Texas Chuck wrote:Wow the passive aggressive nature of the previous page of this thread......
It feels too obvious to state it's okay to be happy with your rookie while acknowledging the other guy is playing well too, but it's okay to acknowledge the strengths of the other guy. This isn't a zero sum game where it takes away from your pat cat.
Marcus wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:Wow the passive aggressive nature of the previous page of this thread......
It feels too obvious to state it's okay to be happy with your rookie while acknowledging the other guy is playing well too, but it's okay to acknowledge the strengths of the other guy. This isn't a zero sum game where it takes away from your pat cat.
It's the nature of the Rookie Discussion thread. Just wait till next year!!!
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IamHim wrote:Yeah you look pretty dumb now. What's their record since he went down with injury? How bad are they getting their asses beat on the boards? It's even worse now. Smh. Bagley was most definitely an integral part of how well they were doing. Foolish to think otherwise but the results show just HOW foolish.BoogieTime wrote:IamHim wrote:I wholly disagree with your likening it to Philly. Bagley has shown he can score at a high rate and rebound the ball well. He also can block some shots. I'm not saying Bagley is the main reason the Kings are doing well but he has been a key contributor. If you dont believe that, go ahead and ask any Kings fan.
Fultz didnt contribute to hardly anything for the 6ers up to this point, other than a massive headache and a s-ton of 2nd guessing.
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