Nikola Jokic Shoves Markieff Morris After Morris's Foul; Both Ejected

[Kurtz]

As I've said, if it were one person it wouldn't be a big deal. It's a pattern that I choose to address. If me addressing these things bothers you you can beat your feet at any time. No one is forcing you to respond to me. As you can see, some do, most just ignore me because it's a conversation they don't want. I respect that.

You know, this whole too cool for school act would have played a lot better if you didn't pull out the race card in a case where it absolutely didn't belong, then tried to rationalize it with unrelated anecdotes instead of just admitting you jumped the gun, and then on top of everything challenging a poster to fight.

Except I'm not retracting what I said. I'm simply saying the tone changes based on race, and it's clear. Race does play a part in these conversations, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

Glad you think I'm cool though. I try really hard.

Except it doesn't in this case. There are 3 guys in the league known exclusively for their dirty play - Morris Twins and Beverley. It has nothing to do with their race and everything to do with the way they play. If you pay attention to the league, you know this. Or should.

If you choose to refuse to acknowledge that and instead attribute the broad dislike for those 3 to race thing you mock and demean the entire movement and turn it into a joke.

[Synciere]

You know, this whole too cool for school act would have played a lot better if you didn't pull out the race card in a case where it absolutely didn't belong, then tried to rationalize it with unrelated anecdotes instead of just admitting you jumped the gun, and then on top of everything challenging a poster to fight.

Except I'm not retracting what I said. I'm simply saying the tone changes based on race, and it's clear. Race does play a part in these conversations, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

Glad you think I'm cool though. I try really hard.

Except it doesn't in this case. There are 3 guys in the league known exclusively for their dirty play - Morris Twins and Beverley. It has nothing to do with their race and everything to do with the way they play. If you pay attention to the league, you know this. Or should.

If you choose to refuse to acknowledge that and instead attribute the broad dislike for those 3 to race thing you mock and demean the entire movement and turn it into a joke.

Okay, agree to disagree.

Back on topic, I think they probably both get a slap on the wrist. Something like a game each.

[bubonicphoniks]

Was Beverley's foul where he tore up Westbrook's knee just a hard foul too?

Should I be able to punch a player and then just turn my back, knowing retaliation is coming, and get away with no consequences?

1. Knee'd Jokic's knee sideways, while he had all 280 lbs planted on that leg
2. Elbowed him in the ribs as he was going to take off into the air

It's like people only saw the shove, not the lead up to it. Watch it in slow motion, it's a setting on youtube.

Youre missing the point. The foul was while the game was IN PLAY.

The blast from behind was not.

One is part of the game one isn't.

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So if it occurs during game play regardless of how dirty a foul is its part of the game and acceptable? Morris did try to hurt/injure Jokic with 2 minutes left in a game that was out of reach. Maybe if he wasn't a spineless coward he would have confronted Jokic instead of blindsided him.

Dude I get that you don't like Morris. I'm not particularly fond of him. I love me some Jokic passing.

Bottom line is Jokic was wrong. You cant body slam people clearly after the play. Lol. What is so hard to grasp about this?

I watched Morris hit again. It was an intentional foul to stop a 5v4. Yeah he hit him hard, but it is a basketball play. We see it all the time. Body slamming guys after the whistle, well, we don't see that every day.

Jokic was wrong. They need to slam him and make an example and hopefully we don't see it again.

Like mentioned before maybe a look at an instigstor type rule would be nice for the refs to have in their pockets.



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[BelgradeNugget]

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[bebopdeluxe]

They were both dangerous.

The foul by Morris is not unlike fouls that are regularly seen in NBA games - players hitting other players while not making a play on the ball. Hell - last season, LeBron hit Embiid while he was in the air, causing Embiid to fall hard on his back (something that lingered for the rest of the season), and LeBron only got a Flagrant 1. Players take hard, flagrant hits.

What Jokic did was AFTER the whistle. With Morris' back turned.

There is simply no comparison between the two situations.

If you don't see that, that is on you.

As to the bolded ... im not sure what your argument is? NBA reffing is inconsistent and bad, so therefore everyone should be ok with non-basketball contact because it just how it is? If everyone jumped off a bridge you would too, i presume?

If your argument is that flagrant fouls where there is no play on the basketball should be legislated out of the game - with suspensions without pay meted out to those who do it - I am on board with that. There is no place in the game for non-basketball flagrant fouls.

What Jokic did was WORSE than that.

AFTER the whistle. Morris’ back turned.

There simply is ZERO comparison.

If you want to give Morris a 3-game suspension for his hit on Jokic, fine with me.

By that standard, Jokic gets 7-10 games.

How’s that?

[FinnTheHuman]

Youre missing the point. The foul was while the game was IN PLAY.

The blast from behind was not.

One is part of the game one isn't.

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So if it occurs during game play regardless of how dirty a foul is its part of the game and acceptable? Morris did try to hurt/injure Jokic with 2 minutes left in a game that was out of reach. Maybe if he wasn't a spineless coward he would have confronted Jokic instead of blindsided him.

Dude I get that you don't like Morris. I'm not particularly fond of him. I love me some Jokic passing.

Bottom line is Jokic was wrong. You cant body slam people clearly after the play. Lol. What is so hard to grasp about this?

I watched Morris hit again. It was an intentional foul to stop a 5v4. Yeah he hit him hard, but it is a basketball play. We see it all the time. Body slamming guys after the whistle, well, we don't see that every day.

Jokic was wrong. They need to slam him and make an example and hopefully we don't see it again.

Like mentioned before maybe a look at an instigstor type rule would be nice for the refs to have in their pockets.



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It wasn't a basketball play. You stop a 5v4 by hacking with the arm, you don't slam your knee into the opponent's knee and your elbow into his ribs. How many times do people have to say this for you to understand? How didn't you see guys stopping the fast break with their arms a million times? Go away.

[CraftylikeaFox]

It was a dirty hit by Jokic. He deserves a multi game suspension. Morris is a dirty player too and had it coming. Butler has nothing for Jokic and everyone and their mama knows he wasn't going to do anything to him because he'd get buried. End of story.

[bubonicphoniks]

So if it occurs during game play regardless of how dirty a foul is its part of the game and acceptable? Morris did try to hurt/injure Jokic with 2 minutes left in a game that was out of reach. Maybe if he wasn't a spineless coward he would have confronted Jokic instead of blindsided him.

Dude I get that you don't like Morris. I'm not particularly fond of him. I love me some Jokic passing.

Bottom line is Jokic was wrong. You cant body slam people clearly after the play. Lol. What is so hard to grasp about this?

I watched Morris hit again. It was an intentional foul to stop a 5v4. Yeah he hit him hard, but it is a basketball play. We see it all the time. Body slamming guys after the whistle, well, we don't see that every day.

Jokic was wrong. They need to slam him and make an example and hopefully we don't see it again.

Like mentioned before maybe a look at an instigstor type rule would be nice for the refs to have in their pockets.



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It wasn't a basketball play, you ignorant fool. You stop a 5v4 by hacking with the arm, you don't slam your knee into the opponent's knee and your elbow into his ribs. How many times do people have to say this for you to understand? How didn't you see guys stopping the fast break with their arms a million times? Go away.

"You stop a 5v4 by hacking with the arm, you don't slam your knee into the opponent's knee and your elbow into his ribs."


^^^^^^^
>>>> Show me this in the rule book. <<<<




Not my fault you don't like the situation.

[Slim Charlez]

This is not a racial issue at all, when Zaza injured Kawhi the same words were being used to describe him as the Morris brothers.

No, they weren't.

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I try to leave room for the possibility that I may be wrong in a situation so a quick google search led me to this thread. I only read the first 14 or so pages, but all they do is call him a dirty player. Maybe it's the situation, but Zaza was a known dirty player who injured guys. That's not to say he should be called trash, or a savage, or thug. It's just to say that he wasn't. The tone of this thread was outright glee at what Jokic did. The whole energy is different, in spite of this being a known dirty player also.

Someone did call him a scumbag though. HardenGOAT just reminded me, so that was similar.

Yeah because people don't like the Morris twins. Has nothing to do with race, people just don't like them and their fake tough guy persona, I'm sure if a player of color had done that to Markieff it'd be the same reaction on here. Nothing racial about it, stop it, its corny.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

If your argument is that flagrant fouls where there is no play on the basketball should be legislated out of the game - with suspensions without pay meted out to those who do it - I am on board with that. There is no place in the game for non-basketball flagrant fouls.

What Jokic did was WORSE than that.

AFTER the whistle. Morris’ back turned.

There simply is ZERO comparison.

If you want to give Morris a 3-game suspension for his hit on Jokic, fine with me.

By that standard, Jokic gets 7-10 games.

How’s that?

So you don't consider that one action was provoked and another was not? Morris started it with an unnatural foul. He was the instigator.

[FinnTheHuman]

Dude I get that you don't like Morris. I'm not particularly fond of him. I love me some Jokic passing.

Bottom line is Jokic was wrong. You cant body slam people clearly after the play. Lol. What is so hard to grasp about this?

I watched Morris hit again. It was an intentional foul to stop a 5v4. Yeah he hit him hard, but it is a basketball play. We see it all the time. Body slamming guys after the whistle, well, we don't see that every day.

Jokic was wrong. They need to slam him and make an example and hopefully we don't see it again.

Like mentioned before maybe a look at an instigstor type rule would be nice for the refs to have in their pockets.



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It wasn't a basketball play, you ignorant fool. You stop a 5v4 by hacking with the arm, you don't slam your knee into the opponent's knee and your elbow into his ribs. How many times do people have to say this for you to understand? How didn't you see guys stopping the fast break with their arms a million times? Go away.

Show me this in the rule book.

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I don't have to show you this: they called flagrant on that play. You're trying to play formalism with me here because you have an agenda and I'm talking common sense. Formally Morris did make this play while basketball was played so it's a basketball play in that sense, but colloquially 'basketball play' is not used for plays simply made while playing basketball, there's more to the word.

[ken6199]

Can't believe a Morris thread run 37 pages long on realgm. Strange world.

[Bruin]

Morris twins are trash.

Btw why t f is Jokic playing in a +17 win game, 2;40 till the end.

Looks like the Heat still had starters in too so it’s reasonable to keep Jokic in. 2:40 is plenty of time in an NBA game nowadays and you don’t wanna risk having the Heat starters coming back against Bol Bol lol

[maxpower8888]

I'll just say this before I leave this thread. Jokic definitely deserves at least a 1 game suspension for that, but I don't feel sorry for Morris at all. He's not a victim.

[bubonicphoniks]

It wasn't a basketball play, you ignorant fool. You stop a 5v4 by hacking with the arm, you don't slam your knee into the opponent's knee and your elbow into his ribs. How many times do people have to say this for you to understand? How didn't you see guys stopping the fast break with their arms a million times? Go away.

Show me this in the rule book.

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I don't have to show you this: they called flagrant on that play. You're trying to play formalism with me here because you have an agenda and I'm talking common sense. Formally Morris did make this play while basketball was played so it's a basketball play in that sense, but colloquially 'basketball play' is not used for plays simply made while playing basketball, there's more to the word.

Dude I dont have an agenda. It was a dirty foul but it was a play.

What Jokic did was out side the game and he should be suspended.



Thats all.

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[FinnTheHuman]

Show me this in the rule book.

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I don't have to show you this: they called flagrant on that play. You're trying to play formalism with me here because you have an agenda and I'm talking common sense. Formally Morris did make this play while basketball was played so it's a basketball play in that sense, but colloquially 'basketball play' is not used for plays simply made while playing basketball, there's more to the word.

Dude I dont have an agenda. It was a dirty foul but it was a play.

What Jokic did was out side the game and he should be suspended.



Thats all.

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So you're literally arguing that time was running while one play was made, and the other wasn't, and that's what makes the latter worse. And it's an extremely stupid argument to make. If I shoot you in the head with a gun while we're playing bball and the time is running, is it a milder offense than if my teammate punches you afterwards when the whistle is blown? Jesus Christ you people.

[Cubbies2120]

Dude I get that you don't like Morris. I'm not particularly fond of him. I love me some Jokic passing.

Bottom line is Jokic was wrong. You cant body slam people clearly after the play. Lol. What is so hard to grasp about this?

I watched Morris hit again. It was an intentional foul to stop a 5v4. Yeah he hit him hard, but it is a basketball play. We see it all the time. Body slamming guys after the whistle, well, we don't see that every day.

Jokic was wrong. They need to slam him and make an example and hopefully we don't see it again.

Like mentioned before maybe a look at an instigstor type rule would be nice for the refs to have in their pockets.



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It wasn't a basketball play, you ignorant fool. You stop a 5v4 by hacking with the arm, you don't slam your knee into the opponent's knee and your elbow into his ribs. How many times do people have to say this for you to understand? How didn't you see guys stopping the fast break with their arms a million times? Go away.

"You stop a 5v4 by hacking with the arm, you don't slam your knee into the opponent's knee and your elbow into his ribs."


^^^^^^^
>>>> Show me this in the rule book. <<<<
Not my fault you don't like the situation.

Do you want specifically a line that says "Do not knee other players and elbow them in the ribs"? If so, I'd like to see one that says "Do not push a player in the back after he cheap shots you", specifically.

Jesus christ.

[Lala870]

Ive seen shoves like that all time in past seasons. Morris initiated the whole thing with his knee.

[bubonicphoniks]

I don't have to show you this: they called flagrant on that play. You're trying to play formalism with me here because you have an agenda and I'm talking common sense. Formally Morris did make this play while basketball was played so it's a basketball play in that sense, but colloquially 'basketball play' is not used for plays simply made while playing basketball, there's more to the word.

Dude I dont have an agenda. It was a dirty foul but it was a play.

What Jokic did was out side the game and he should be suspended.



Thats all.

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So you're literally arguing that time was running while one play was made, and the other wasn't, and that's what makes the latter worse. And it's an extremely stupid argument to make. If I shoot you in the head with a gun while we're playing bball and the time is running, is it a milder offense than if my teammate punches you afterwards when the whistle is blown? Jesus Christ you people.

Lol. No yours was an extremely stupid argument to make.

Body checks are in the rules look it up. Handguns aren't a part of the game.

[Cubbies2120]

Show me this in the rule book.

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I don't have to show you this: they called flagrant on that play. You're trying to play formalism with me here because you have an agenda and I'm talking common sense. Formally Morris did make this play while basketball was played so it's a basketball play in that sense, but colloquially 'basketball play' is not used for plays simply made while playing basketball, there's more to the word.

Dude I dont have an agenda. It was a dirty foul but it was a play.

What Jokic did was out side the game and he should be suspended.



Thats all.

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So would Jokic have been allowed to wrap up Morris on a rebound and suplex him onto his neck since it's in play? Or maybe punch him in the back of the head while the play was going? After all, it would be a "dirty foul, but in play"?