2025 NBA PLAYOFFS West Semifinals: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #4 Denver Nuggets (Series tied 1-1)

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Who wins?

Thunder in 5
9
15%
Thunder in 6
24
39%
Thunder in 7
6
10%
Nuggets in 4
2
3%
Nuggets in 5
3
5%
Nuggets in 6
13
21%
Nuggets in 7
5
8%
 
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Re: 2025 NBA PLAYOFFS West Semifinals: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #4 Denver Nuggets (Series tied 1-1) 

Post#721 » by Castle Black » Thu May 8, 2025 9:00 pm

Optms wrote:Offense isn't Denvers problem.

They just have up 149 points. To keep spewing this narrative they need more offense while ignoring the obvious is truly something. Start by at least trying to play defense. Thunder were out there shooting wide open 3's all night.


Nobody's ignoring it. I'm talking about how poorly constructed their roster is. That includes defensively too. I even spoke specifically about how bad a defender Murray is. Hope this helps.
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Post#722 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Thu May 8, 2025 9:06 pm

Jokic tried to ride that man like one of his ponies, insane to argue that Jay Will picked him up lol. Cannot believe that’s still getting tried.
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Post#723 » by HotRocks34 » Thu May 8, 2025 9:10 pm

The Thunder are what they are. They have a well-deserved reputation and it's easy to find examples of people bringing it up.

It is what it is. The refs have to do their job.

In the meantime, don't be unhappy with commentators and players calling things as they are. As the old saying goes, don't spit in my face and tell me it's raining. If you play dirty, you will be called out for that. If OKC fans don't like it, bring it up with the Thunder. It's on them. They choose to play like this, just like Draymond Green chooses to play as he does.

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Post#724 » by HotRocks34 » Thu May 8, 2025 9:15 pm

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The point is not more or less physcal play. Thats just a strawman. The point is lack of consistency and its part of OKC's entire season, its not something that only Nuggets fans complain about.


Yep

To me it's Peak Warriors and Draymond all over again.

I'm good with the physical play but don't get too out of hand and endanger people and don't be surprised when you get get called out for it.

Draymond has been called out 1000 times. He earned it.
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Post#725 » by Wolfgang630 » Thu May 8, 2025 9:17 pm

These teams have to be telling themselves the Celtics might get knocked and out if we make it to the finals then we’re probably playing the Knicks or Pacers and you could have an easy time winning the championship this year.
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Post#726 » by Patches Perry » Thu May 8, 2025 9:19 pm

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Patches Perry wrote:Jokic is slower and obviously bigger and stronger than most guys he plays. He uses this advantage to initiate a lot of contact. This was the same reason Shaq was pushed and shoved a lot, because he did a lot of pushing and shoving himself. Let the bigs fight it out is basically the rationale.

Even if you start calling it tighter, I don't think it favors Denver because OKC has 18 fouls in their big rotation and there's only 1 Jokic with 6 fouls. Even with officials letting them play, Jokic had 6 fouls in 32 minutes while Jwill and Hart had 8 fouls in 48 combined minutes.

I think the more physical style suits Jokic well. He just has to play through it as all the all time greats had to learn to do.


SGA is obviously taller and stronger than most PG so lets just let everyone else clobber him any time he touches the ball or whenever he's trying to get to his spots off the ball. It's only fair.

It's a ridiculous statment but that's exactly how your statement comes across. And Jokic is not prime Shaq, prime Shaq could overpower any of the 7ftrs with two people hanging off his arms/legs.


SGA is listed at 195 lbs lol. He is in the bottom 20% of NBA players in terms of weight and average NBA height. He has strong shoulders but mostly uses misdirection and change of pace to create advantage. Not a great example.

But to the broader point, the idea that an offensive player should be able to push and direct his defenders where he wants to create advantage with brute size and strength, but that contact can't be reciprocated to the same degree by the defense, is just foolish.
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Post#727 » by hardenASG13 » Thu May 8, 2025 9:21 pm

HotRocks34 wrote:The Thunder are what they are. They have a well-deserved reputation and it's easy to find examples of people bringing it up.

It is what it is. The refs have to do their job.

In the meantime, don't be unhappy with commentators and players calling things as they are. As the old saying goes, don't spit in my face and tell me it's raining. If you play dirty, you will be called out for that. If OKC fans don't like it, bring it up with the Thunder. It's on them. They choose to play like this, just like Draymond Green chooses to play as he does.

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What an embarrassing meltdown you're having here. I can't think of a lamer way to react to a bad loss. Not even the regular Jokic guys are having your back. The refs had 0 to do with game which was over by the end of the first quarter. Playoff basketball is physical. You don't understand what fronting the post is apparently (but just so know, you do try to get into a guys legs and drive him under the basket if he's going across the lane behind you to try to post up. Otherwise it gets thrown over the top).I think you have me on ignore because I often don't agree with you, which is also sad (and I've seen you tell several in this thread you're ignoring them too). We're just trying to stop you from digging further into the embarrassing meltdown you're having, which is based on nothing but being upset with physical, playoff basketball. This is what it looks like when you face a good playoff team.

You're basketball god got torched on the defensive end, and tried to flop and pancake a guy playing post defense. It was a sickening display.
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Post#728 » by HotRocks34 » Thu May 8, 2025 9:23 pm

Wolfgang630 wrote:These teams have to be telling themselves the Celtics might get knocked and out if we make it to the finals then we’re probably playing the Knicks or Pacers and you could have an easy time winning the championship this year.


Just IMO, but I don't think that Denver matches up well with the Knicks. I actually think that they match up better with Boston. Or at least they matched up well with Boston last year.

New York has an enormous amount of physical and athletic talent on its roster. More than most teams. If they are focused they are a problem.
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Post#729 » by SpurNani » Thu May 8, 2025 9:29 pm

The dirtiest play so far in this series was Jokic elbowing Dort in the back of the dome. By Far

And all is see Is Jokic manfans throwing a hissy fit over a simple non descript post front by Williams. unbelievable.
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Post#730 » by CobraCommander » Thu May 8, 2025 9:31 pm

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CobraCommander wrote:If SGA was more boombastic or dunked more or was more flamboyant or arrogant or talked crap I think guys would appreciate him more.

Sga like Jokic- shoot the least amount of shots to win… they are oddly unselfish


Yep. In that regard, he's the opposite of Ja Morant.


It doesn't help that he is Canadian.

6'6" guard out of Kentucky. 3 level scorer and above average on defense. Showcases strong leadership skills, is confident and well liked by his teammates. Competing against athletic freaks, giants, and basketball savants for the best player in the league title while leading a team with a bunch of young players to the best record. If he was American, he'd be the face of the league.

He would be the face of sports if he was American - let alone basketball -
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Post#731 » by CobraCommander » Thu May 8, 2025 9:33 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:The Thunder are what they are. They have a well-deserved reputation and it's easy to find examples of people bringing it up.

It is what it is. The refs have to do their job.

In the meantime, don't be unhappy with commentators and players calling things as they are. As the old saying goes, don't spit in my face and tell me it's raining. If you play dirty, you will be called out for that. If OKC fans don't like it, bring it up with the Thunder. It's on them. They choose to play like this, just like Draymond Green chooses to play as he does.

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What an embarrassing meltdown you're having here. I can't think of a lamer way to react to a bad loss. Not even the regular Jokic guys are having your back. The refs had 0 to do with game which was over by the end of the first quarter. Playoff basketball is physical. You don't understand what fronting the post is apparently (but just so know, you do try to get into a guys legs and drive him under the basket if he's going across the lane behind you to try to post up. Otherwise it gets thrown over the top).I think you have me on ignore because I often don't agree with you, which is also sad (and I've seen you tell several in this thread you're ignoring them too). We're just trying to stop you from digging further into the embarrassing meltdown you're having, which is based on nothing but being upset with physical, playoff basketball. This is what it looks like when you face a good playoff team.

You're basketball god got torched on the defensive end, and tried to flop and pancake a guy playing post defense. It was a sickening display.

I love Jokic and still think he is the best player on earth but SGA and the thunder are primed to win an mvp and a chip
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Post#732 » by bbms » Thu May 8, 2025 9:34 pm

thunder always plays defense on the edge of fouling. it's not playing dirty, it's just taking things to limit. like the legion of boom era seahawks. they were taking penalties and personal fouls like crazy, but never dirty.


how many elbows we've seen from the nuggets this series already? now that's away from competitive. not borderline reach ins fouls that really aren't.

y'all are just soft
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Post#733 » by MrPainfulTruth » Thu May 8, 2025 9:35 pm

SpurNani wrote:The dirtiest play so far in this series was Jokic elbowing Dort in the back of the dome. By Far

And all is see Is Jokic manfans throwing a hissy fit over a simple non descript post front by Williams. unbelievable.

Your entire posting history is full with hating on Jokic. What has he done to you? Which of your favorite players has he owned that caused this trauma?
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Post#734 » by SpurNani » Thu May 8, 2025 9:37 pm

MrPainfulTruth wrote:
SpurNani wrote:The dirtiest play so far in this series was Jokic elbowing Dort in the back of the dome. By Far

And all is see Is Jokic manfans throwing a hissy fit over a simple non descript post front by Williams. unbelievable.

Your entire posting history is full with hating on Jokic. What has he done to you? Which of your favorite players has he owned that caused this trauma?


I tell the Painful Truth on Jokic
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Post#735 » by MrPainfulTruth » Thu May 8, 2025 9:38 pm

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HotRocks34 wrote:The Thunder are what they are. They have a well-deserved reputation and it's easy to find examples of people bringing it up.

It is what it is. The refs have to do their job.

In the meantime, don't be unhappy with commentators and players calling things as they are. As the old saying goes, don't spit in my face and tell me it's raining. If you play dirty, you will be called out for that. If OKC fans don't like it, bring it up with the Thunder. It's on them. They choose to play like this, just like Draymond Green chooses to play as he does.

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What an embarrassing meltdown you're having here. I can't think of a lamer way to react to a bad loss. Not even the regular Jokic guys are having your back. The refs had 0 to do with game which was over by the end of the first quarter. Playoff basketball is physical. You don't understand what fronting the post is apparently (but just so know, you do try to get into a guys legs and drive him under the basket if he's going across the lane behind you to try to post up. Otherwise it gets thrown over the top).I think you have me on ignore because I often don't agree with you, which is also sad (and I've seen you tell several in this thread you're ignoring them too). We're just trying to stop you from digging further into the embarrassing meltdown you're having, which is based on nothing but being upset with physical, playoff basketball. This is what it looks like when you face a good playoff team.

You're basketball god got torched on the defensive end, and tried to flop and pancake a guy playing post defense. It was a sickening display.

I love Jokic and still think he is the best player on earth but SGA and the thunder are primed to win an mvp and a chip


The Thunder are stacked and SGA is the best player on their team. Thats the current way to pick the MVP, its not the best player in the league and its also not the guy who is most valuable to their team. So you are right on both accounts, even though i'm sure SGA could have rested yesterday and OKC would still have won, which makes calling him the MVP somewhat comical.
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Post#736 » by HotRocks34 » Thu May 8, 2025 9:45 pm

MrPainfulTruth wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:

What an embarrassing meltdown you're having here. I can't think of a lamer way to react to a bad loss. Not even the regular Jokic guys are having your back. The refs had 0 to do with game which was over by the end of the first quarter. Playoff basketball is physical. You don't understand what fronting the post is apparently (but just so know, you do try to get into a guys legs and drive him under the basket if he's going across the lane behind you to try to post up. Otherwise it gets thrown over the top).I think you have me on ignore because I often don't agree with you, which is also sad (and I've seen you tell several in this thread you're ignoring them too). We're just trying to stop you from digging further into the embarrassing meltdown you're having, which is based on nothing but being upset with physical, playoff basketball. This is what it looks like when you face a good playoff team.

You're basketball god got torched on the defensive end, and tried to flop and pancake a guy playing post defense. It was a sickening display.

I love Jokic and still think he is the best player on earth but SGA and the thunder are primed to win an mvp and a chip


The Thunder are stacked and SGA is the best player on their team. Thats the current way to pick the MVP, its not the best player in the league and its also not the guy who is most valuable to their team. So you are right on both accounts, even though i'm sure SGA could have rested yesterday and OKC would still have won, which makes calling him the MVP somewhat comical.


We all saw what happened in the Grizz series.

SGA shoots 40%, OKC sweeps.

Jokic is the best player in the world but other guys may win MVPs too. I think of it like Barkley 1993 and Malone 1997. Or Embiid 2023.
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Post#737 » by Dadouv47 » Thu May 8, 2025 9:45 pm

MrPainfulTruth wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:

What an embarrassing meltdown you're having here. I can't think of a lamer way to react to a bad loss. Not even the regular Jokic guys are having your back. The refs had 0 to do with game which was over by the end of the first quarter. Playoff basketball is physical. You don't understand what fronting the post is apparently (but just so know, you do try to get into a guys legs and drive him under the basket if he's going across the lane behind you to try to post up. Otherwise it gets thrown over the top).I think you have me on ignore because I often don't agree with you, which is also sad (and I've seen you tell several in this thread you're ignoring them too). We're just trying to stop you from digging further into the embarrassing meltdown you're having, which is based on nothing but being upset with physical, playoff basketball. This is what it looks like when you face a good playoff team.

You're basketball god got torched on the defensive end, and tried to flop and pancake a guy playing post defense. It was a sickening display.

I love Jokic and still think he is the best player on earth but SGA and the thunder are primed to win an mvp and a chip


The Thunder are stacked and SGA is the best player on their team. Thats the current way to pick the MVP, its not the best player in the league and its also not the guy who is most valuable to their team. So you are right on both accounts, even though i'm sure SGA could have rested yesterday and OKC would still have won, which makes calling him the MVP somewhat comical.


you really ignore the kind of spacing Shai provides by being on the court. Do you need to watch more of bad performances from Chet and Jdub to understand that Shai is almost our entire offense? Denver is built around Jokic but even that team has a way better second offensive option in Murray than OKC (and that's certainly our biggest flaw/concern)
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Post#738 » by Special_Puppy » Thu May 8, 2025 9:45 pm

SpurNani wrote:
MrPainfulTruth wrote:
SpurNani wrote:The dirtiest play so far in this series was Jokic elbowing Dort in the back of the dome. By Far

And all is see Is Jokic manfans throwing a hissy fit over a simple non descript post front by Williams. unbelievable.

Your entire posting history is full with hating on Jokic. What has he done to you? Which of your favorite players has he owned that caused this trauma?


I tell the Painful Truth on Jokic


What’s the “painful truth” (Jokic was really bad last night to be clear)
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Post#739 » by CobraCommander » Thu May 8, 2025 9:55 pm

MrPainfulTruth wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:

What an embarrassing meltdown you're having here. I can't think of a lamer way to react to a bad loss. Not even the regular Jokic guys are having your back. The refs had 0 to do with game which was over by the end of the first quarter. Playoff basketball is physical. You don't understand what fronting the post is apparently (but just so know, you do try to get into a guys legs and drive him under the basket if he's going across the lane behind you to try to post up. Otherwise it gets thrown over the top).I think you have me on ignore because I often don't agree with you, which is also sad (and I've seen you tell several in this thread you're ignoring them too). We're just trying to stop you from digging further into the embarrassing meltdown you're having, which is based on nothing but being upset with physical, playoff basketball. This is what it looks like when you face a good playoff team.

You're basketball god got torched on the defensive end, and tried to flop and pancake a guy playing post defense. It was a sickening display.

I love Jokic and still think he is the best player on earth but SGA and the thunder are primed to win an mvp and a chip


The Thunder are stacked and SGA is the best player on their team. Thats the current way to pick the MVP, its not the best player in the league and its also not the guy who is most valuable to their team. So you are right on both accounts, even though i'm sure SGA could have rested yesterday and OKC would still have won, which makes calling him the MVP somewhat comical.

Man winning the scoring title and winning your conf...so being the best scorer on the best team normally locks up the mvp right? If Tatum or Mitchell would have won the scoring title I think they are in the conversation-

No one thinks SGA is better than Jokic...and I think Giannis is still better than SGA...but I got SGA 3rd. With Tatum and Luka 4 or 5 based on the day and preference....I think we getting one of the best playoff series because we get to see SGA vs Jokic...just need the refs to give Jokic 10 fouls....call the fouls yes...but give the foul to someone else whenever possible lol. I need to see Jokic in the game
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Post#740 » by Patches Perry » Thu May 8, 2025 9:58 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Jokic tried to ride that man like one of his ponies, insane to argue that Jay Will picked him up lol. Cannot believe that’s still getting tried.


It's also insane that for all the claims of clutching, holding and grabbing that OKC allegedly gets away, that's the video evidence we're provided with. The problem I've had with these claims is they're always nebulous and no video evidence ever provided. Not sure if ya'll know this, but NBA.com provides a play-by-play for every NBA game that is accompanied with a high quality video clip of every play, yet no examples are ever provided. Curious!

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