Shams: New York Knicks Fire Head Coach Tom Thibodeau

[ReggiesKnicks]

We should rent out Carlisle like Soccer Clubs rent out players. 1 Year, 30 Million.

[Sixers in 4]

It's strange...seemingly many on this board thought that Thibs should have been fired, even after the playoffs run.

And many made fun of Thibs for certain decisions (ie bench, minutes, offensive scheme, defensive scheme, etc)

On top of that, plenty also stated the Knicks would never win a championship with and will leave guys like Brunson injured (just like Rose)...

Yet so many are now suddenly up in arms that he was fired.

I like Thibs. He's a good coach. He's dedicated. But anyone who watched the Knicks day in and day out deep down knew this was the right decision.

Now the team has to make the right hire and roster moves to get over the hump.

It was the wrong decision and next year will prove it.

The knicks needed a guy who was going to get after KAT and a couple of those guys. Thibs is that guy. If KAT isn't going to compete on defense under Thibs he won't under anyone. The knicks actually scored pretty well in the series they just couldn't defend anyone.

In those four Indy loses KAT averaged a 127 Drtg you can't win when you have a player being targeted at level.

[Wingy]

How are Knicks fans feeling? I would have thought they'd have a coach in place for the draft, but maybe that doesn't matter. I am a bit surprised they haven't found anyone yet.

We do not allow ourselves to feel anymore, brother

There are no bad coaching hires. Only happy accidents.

[doogie_hauser]

NBA Summer League is less than 2 weeks ago and the Knicks still don't have a coach.

Their draft night was also pretty poor given how many other East teams and contenders got some really good talent in the draft.

I think the Knicks fans should temper their expectations for next season as it stands right now.

An healthy Orlando (which is a big if) is a good chance to leap frog them in the East next season, ditto Detriot. Don't think Miami is done yet trading either.

At what point should Knicks fans start to panic/feel concerned (mostly about other East teams improving) and not got a coach or improve their roster from last season?a

[JimmyPlopper]

We should rent out Carlisle like Soccer Clubs rent out players. 1 Year, 30 Million.

Fun idea!

[Black Jack]

Thibs can't win a title because he refuses to adapt to his starting 5 needing some rest during the regular season. Whine all you want but the NYK made the right call here.

If the guy wanted to take some input and adjust his approach he'd still have a job. He clearly has heard the criticism and decided not to adjust. That's on him.

This is the big leagues he got big money and made a choice to be inflexible.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.si.com/college/southcarolina/basketball/new-york-knicks-reportedly-considering-south-carolina-s-dawn-staley-for-head-coach-01jyw78krt3q

A new name has entered the chat, Dawn Staley. I think making the jump from college to pro always proves tough but she's achieved a lot in her career.

6 time WNBA All-Star, 3 time Olympic gold medalist, and also won the NCAA's Most Outstanding Player award.

As a head coach she has won 3 NCAA national championships, been to 7 final fours, and added an additional Olympic gold medal.

She's about as accomplished and decorated as they come.

[OxAndFox]

We should rent out Carlisle like Soccer Clubs rent out players. 1 Year, 30 Million.

The Kings are doing it with Mike Brown...Oh wait. No, they're gifting him $10m next season to NOT coach. You can almost see him with a Hawaiian shirt on sipping his fav cocktail, smiling and laughing, simply enjoying life.
That's the Fiverr NBA coach game. And its why its a treadmill of the same guys, just like the same "executives" etc.

[OxAndFox]

Thibs can't win a title because he refuses to adapt to his starting 5 needing some rest during the regular season. Whine all you want but the NYK made the right call here.

If the guy wanted to take some input and adjust his approach he'd still have a job. He clearly has heard the criticism and decided not to adjust. That's on him.

This is the big leagues he got big money and made a choice to be inflexible.

This is where its at. Let's all be honest here. The Knicks were never, EVER, going anywhere with Thibs. The era, if there really were such a thing of not trusting your bench in important moments, of, just that, is over and let's be honest here as well, Thibs is an extremist that many others could do that same thing IF they employed the same tactics, but EVERYONE knows it's not good as a long term strategy.

I mean outside of taking over a Bulls team that was primed to elevate with a young Rose that went from AS to MVP what has he really done in terms of making a team better?

Took over a Bulls team that went 41-41. 1st year to 62 wins and that was career high. His first year was career high.
Was it him, or Derrick Rose?
He literally took the Bulls at their peak and went from 62, equivalent of 62, 45, 48, 50 wins.
Then got to TWolves and drag them from 26 wins to 31. Then a jump to 47 wins. Only to burn out your welcome once again and get fired with under .500 record.
Then go to Knicks and gets to suck the remaining life left of Rose out of him along with a great season by Randle that scraped them into POs. Then he missed. HAHA. But not before JB came along, and the Knicks forfeited their future on Bridges and OG just to give Thibs some sort of chance. He couldn't quit bring even these guys there.

Come on everyone. If Thibs was a player. You would be calling him a bum. Simple as that. We all heard y'all call EVERY player bar 4-5 a bum during the POs. Why not the execs? Why not the HCs? Why not the Assistants? Thibs himself has had the players and rosters throughout his career and been horrific TBH. Just because others have done worse, doesn't mean he's done a good job.

It's his philosophy that holds them back and just because the NBA is a close knit community of people that don't hire outside of it, they keep it in house, doesn't mean someone else can't do it or won't be successful. We're breaking the barriers down right now and its reaping rewards in every department.

[Shaka_Zulu]

https://www.si.com/college/southcarolina/basketball/new-york-knicks-reportedly-considering-south-carolina-s-dawn-staley-for-head-coach-01jyw78krt3q

A new name has entered the chat, Dawn Staley. I think making the jump from college to pro always proves tough but she's achieved a lot in her career.

6 time WNBA All-Star, 3 time Olympic gold medalist, and also won the NCAA's Most Outstanding Player award.

As a head coach she has won 3 NCAA national championships, been to 7 final fours, and added an additional Olympic gold medal.

She's about as accomplished and decorated as they come.

Thats wild. Reality imitating art lol. Real life version of coach Eddie in knicks?

https://youtu.be/_iuDUSj5jaI?si=oV51ry6_vEOKH7w2

[jkvonny]

https://www.si.com/college/southcarolina/basketball/new-york-knicks-reportedly-considering-south-carolina-s-dawn-staley-for-head-coach-01jyw78krt3q

A new name has entered the chat, Dawn Staley. I think making the jump from college to pro always proves tough but she's achieved a lot in her career.

6 time WNBA All-Star, 3 time Olympic gold medalist, and also won the NCAA's Most Outstanding Player award.

As a head coach she has won 3 NCAA national championships, been to 7 final fours, and added an additional Olympic gold medal.

She's about as accomplished and decorated as they come.

There ya go, Knicks! Get it done.

[druggas]

Thibs can't win a title because he refuses to adapt to his starting 5 needing some rest during the regular season. Whine all you want but the NYK made the right call here.

If the guy wanted to take some input and adjust his approach he'd still have a job. He clearly has heard the criticism and decided not to adjust. That's on him.

This is the big leagues he got big money and made a choice to be inflexible.

This is where its at. Let's all be honest here. The Knicks were never, EVER, going anywhere with Thibs. The era, if there really were such a thing of not trusting your bench in important moments, of, just that, is over and let's be honest here as well, Thibs is an extremist that many others could do that same thing IF they employed the same tactics, but EVERYONE knows it's not good as a long term strategy.

I mean outside of taking over a Bulls team that was primed to elevate with a young Rose that went from AS to MVP what has he really done in terms of making a team better?

Took over a Bulls team that went 41-41. 1st year to 62 wins and that was career high. His first year was career high.
Was it him, or Derrick Rose?
He literally took the Bulls at their peak and went from 62, equivalent of 62, 45, 48, 50 wins.
Then got to TWolves and drag them from 26 wins to 31. Then a jump to 47 wins. Only to burn out your welcome once again and get fired with under .500 record.
Then go to Knicks and gets to suck the remaining life left of Rose out of him along with a great season by Randle that scraped them into POs. Then he missed. HAHA. But not before JB came along, and the Knicks forfeited their future on Bridges and OG just to give Thibs some sort of chance. He couldn't quit bring even these guys there.

Come on everyone. If Thibs was a player. You would be calling him a bum. Simple as that. We all heard y'all call EVERY player bar 4-5 a bum during the POs. Why not the execs? Why not the HCs? Why not the Assistants? Thibs himself has had the players and rosters throughout his career and been horrific TBH. Just because others have done worse, doesn't mean he's done a good job.

It's his philosophy that holds them back and just because the NBA is a close knit community of people that don't hire outside of it, they keep it in house, doesn't mean someone else can't do it or won't be successful. We're breaking the barriers down right now and its reaping rewards in every department.

You show how Thibs improved every team he coached, then you call him a bum. Something doesn't add up.

[OxAndFox]

Thibs can't win a title because he refuses to adapt to his starting 5 needing some rest during the regular season. Whine all you want but the NYK made the right call here.

If the guy wanted to take some input and adjust his approach he'd still have a job. He clearly has heard the criticism and decided not to adjust. That's on him.

This is the big leagues he got big money and made a choice to be inflexible.

This is where its at. Let's all be honest here. The Knicks were never, EVER, going anywhere with Thibs. The era, if there really were such a thing of not trusting your bench in important moments, of, just that, is over and let's be honest here as well, Thibs is an extremist that many others could do that same thing IF they employed the same tactics, but EVERYONE knows it's not good as a long term strategy.

I mean outside of taking over a Bulls team that was primed to elevate with a young Rose that went from AS to MVP what has he really done in terms of making a team better?

Took over a Bulls team that went 41-41. 1st year to 62 wins and that was career high. His first year was career high.
Was it him, or Derrick Rose?
He literally took the Bulls at their peak and went from 62, equivalent of 62, 45, 48, 50 wins.
Then got to TWolves and drag them from 26 wins to 31. Then a jump to 47 wins. Only to burn out your welcome once again and get fired with under .500 record.
Then go to Knicks and gets to suck the remaining life left of Rose out of him along with a great season by Randle that scraped them into POs. Then he missed. HAHA. But not before JB came along, and the Knicks forfeited their future on Bridges and OG just to give Thibs some sort of chance. He couldn't quit bring even these guys there.

Come on everyone. If Thibs was a player. You would be calling him a bum. Simple as that. We all heard y'all call EVERY player bar 4-5 a bum during the POs. Why not the execs? Why not the HCs? Why not the Assistants? Thibs himself has had the players and rosters throughout his career and been horrific TBH. Just because others have done worse, doesn't mean he's done a good job.

It's his philosophy that holds them back and just because the NBA is a close knit community of people that don't hire outside of it, they keep it in house, doesn't mean someone else can't do it or won't be successful. We're breaking the barriers down right now and its reaping rewards in every department.

You show how Thibs improved every team he coached, then you call him a bum. Something doesn't add up.

Well that's what I'm saying. Was it him? Did he not arrive in Chicago at the right time and that catapulted his reputation, thus career? I mean if anything it SHOULD have given the biggest red flag ever. He was an AC for so many years and then his Derrick Rose....Errrmm Chicago years propelled him to....a screaming halt, then multiple stops to only fail with his very own philosophy time and time again. He can be a good coach and be called a bum though right? Why do people call players that are clearly very good, bums, yet a HC that has a track record that is similar is what? If you want to be brutal, be brutal, but be consistent.

[KGtabake]

You fire someone when you have an idea of what you're looking for.
You don't fire someone if you don't have a clear plan of what to do next.

[3toheadmelo]

You fire someone when you have an idea of what you're looking for.
You don't fire someone if you don't have a clear plan of what to do next.

Word is that Jalen Brunson and Leon rose wanted to keep Thibs. 48 hours later James Dolan got involved and led the player exit meetings and Thibs got fired. So the front office and our franchise player wanted to keep Thibs. Dolan got involved and now it has the front office in a panic trying to find a new coach.

[coldfish]

This is where its at. Let's all be honest here. The Knicks were never, EVER, going anywhere with Thibs. The era, if there really were such a thing of not trusting your bench in important moments, of, just that, is over and let's be honest here as well, Thibs is an extremist that many others could do that same thing IF they employed the same tactics, but EVERYONE knows it's not good as a long term strategy.

I mean outside of taking over a Bulls team that was primed to elevate with a young Rose that went from AS to MVP what has he really done in terms of making a team better?

Took over a Bulls team that went 41-41. 1st year to 62 wins and that was career high. His first year was career high.
Was it him, or Derrick Rose?
He literally took the Bulls at their peak and went from 62, equivalent of 62, 45, 48, 50 wins.
Then got to TWolves and drag them from 26 wins to 31. Then a jump to 47 wins. Only to burn out your welcome once again and get fired with under .500 record.
Then go to Knicks and gets to suck the remaining life left of Rose out of him along with a great season by Randle that scraped them into POs. Then he missed. HAHA. But not before JB came along, and the Knicks forfeited their future on Bridges and OG just to give Thibs some sort of chance. He couldn't quit bring even these guys there.

Come on everyone. If Thibs was a player. You would be calling him a bum. Simple as that. We all heard y'all call EVERY player bar 4-5 a bum during the POs. Why not the execs? Why not the HCs? Why not the Assistants? Thibs himself has had the players and rosters throughout his career and been horrific TBH. Just because others have done worse, doesn't mean he's done a good job.

It's his philosophy that holds them back and just because the NBA is a close knit community of people that don't hire outside of it, they keep it in house, doesn't mean someone else can't do it or won't be successful. We're breaking the barriers down right now and its reaping rewards in every department.

You show how Thibs improved every team he coached, then you call him a bum. Something doesn't add up.

Well that's what I'm saying. Was it him? Did he not arrive in Chicago at the right time and that catapulted his reputation, thus career? I mean if anything it SHOULD have given the biggest red flag ever. He was an AC for so many years and then his Derrick Rose....Errrmm Chicago years propelled him to....a screaming halt, then multiple stops to only fail with his very own philosophy time and time again. He can be a good coach and be called a bum though right? Why do people call players that are clearly very good, bums, yet a HC that has a track record that is similar is what? If you want to be brutal, be brutal, but be consistent.

Thibs was worth about 10 wins a season in Chicago. That team he got to 48 wins with when Derrick was out was awful. The 62 win team was a 50 win team type talent with almost zero offense outside of Rose.

As soon as Thibs left, Hoiberg won like 8 games less with virtually the same team and got bounced in the first round.

Thibs issue is actually this "regular season bounce". He gets his team to perform at a level above its talent and then it gets exposed in the playoffs.

The Knicks aren't a great team. Unless they make a major trade, I bet they win in the low 40's next year and get bounced in the first round.

[3toheadmelo]

You show how Thibs improved every team he coached, then you call him a bum. Something doesn't add up.

Well that's what I'm saying. Was it him? Did he not arrive in Chicago at the right time and that catapulted his reputation, thus career? I mean if anything it SHOULD have given the biggest red flag ever. He was an AC for so many years and then his Derrick Rose....Errrmm Chicago years propelled him to....a screaming halt, then multiple stops to only fail with his very own philosophy time and time again. He can be a good coach and be called a bum though right? Why do people call players that are clearly very good, bums, yet a HC that has a track record that is similar is what? If you want to be brutal, be brutal, but be consistent.

Thibs was worth about 10 wins a season in Chicago. That team he got to 48 wins with when Derrick was out was awful. The 62 win team was a 50 win team type talent with almost zero offense outside of Rose.

As soon as Thibs left, Hoiberg won like 8 games less with virtually the same team and got bounced in the first round.

Thibs issue is actually this "regular season bounce". He gets his team to perform at a level above its talent and then it gets exposed in the playoffs.

The Knicks aren't a great team. Unless they make a major trade, I bet they win in the low 40's next year and get bounced in the first round.

Were we exposed though? I think he did as great as a job anyone can do with KAT at the 5. We unexpectedly beat Boston and we were 2 games away from reaching the nba finals. He’s overachieved for us even in the post season.