The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

[markjay]

Josh Hart's been awesome since he's been in the starting lineup.

Last 3 games

Brooklyn: 15 points on 8 fga, 14 rebounds, .768 ts%
OKC: 14 points on 6 fga, 11 rebounds, 1.017 ts%
Suns: 15 points on 7 fga, 11 rebounds, .952 ts%

3-game averages: 14.7 ppg on 7 fga pg, 12 rebounds per game, .897 ts%

Wow!!

[LordCovington33]

Josh Hart's been awesome since he's been in the starting lineup.

Last 3 games

Brooklyn: 15 points on 8 fga, 14 rebounds, .768 ts%
OKC: 14 points on 6 fga, 11 rebounds, 1.017 ts%
Suns: 15 points on 7 fga, 11 rebounds, .952 ts%

3-game averages: 14.7 ppg on 7 fga pg, 12 rebounds per game, .897 ts%

Wow!!

I liked him in college and was hoping we would pick him up later in the draft. Instead, BC got some random big stashed in Latvia.

[LakersSoul]

Josh Hart's been awesome since he's been in the starting lineup.

Last 3 games

Brooklyn: 15 points on 8 fga, 14 rebounds, .768 ts%
OKC: 14 points on 6 fga, 11 rebounds, 1.017 ts%
Suns: 15 points on 7 fga, 11 rebounds, .952 ts%

3-game averages: 14.7 ppg on 7 fga pg, 12 rebounds per game, .897 ts%

Wow!!

Three straight double-double for Hart. The guy is becoming such a dependable player for the Lakers. Hart is getting really consistent with the 3 point shot. Hustle, rebounds, defense and 3 point shooting. What a find!!

[JellosJigglin]

Josh Hart's been awesome since he's been in the starting lineup.

Last 3 games

Brooklyn: 15 points on 8 fga, 14 rebounds, .768 ts%
OKC: 14 points on 6 fga, 11 rebounds, 1.017 ts%
Suns: 15 points on 7 fga, 11 rebounds, .952 ts%

3-game averages: 14.7 ppg on 7 fga pg, 12 rebounds per game, .897 ts%

Wow!!

Three straight double-double for Hart. The guy is becoming such a dependable player for the Lakers. Hart is getting really consistent with the 3 point shot. Hustle, rebounds, defense and 3 point shooting. What a find!!

He's really making the most of his opportunity. His game is NBA-ready. He might already have the highest IQ on the team as a rookie. I think he needs to start with Lonzo when he gets back. He can defend 1-3 or even smaller 4's. Freakishly strong for a guard, and it shows in his rebounding. He's been stretching the floor at a high percentage too. Comes from a championship NCAA program. Been a joy to watch.

Wow, this is a draft that keeps on giving for the Lakers.

[nurseryc]

Utah winning the last two games is pushing Mitchell ahead in the voting

[phifans]

Utah winning the last two games is pushing Mitchell ahead in the voting

He had nothing to do with the last two wins though.

[Dajadeed]

[quote="JellosJigglin"][quote="LakersSoul"][quote="markjay"]

Last 3 games

Brooklyn: 15 points on 8 fga, 14 rebounds, .768 ts%
OKC: 14 points on 6 fga, 11 rebounds, 1.017 ts%
Suns: 15 points on 7 fga, 11 rebounds, .952 ts%

3-game averages: 14.7 ppg on 7 fga pg, 12 rebounds per game, .897 ts%

Wow!![/quote]

Three straight double-double for Hart. The guy is becoming such a dependable player for the Lakers. Hart is getting really consistent with the 3 point shot. Hustle, rebounds, defense and 3 point shooting. What a find!![/quote]

He's really making the most of his opportunity. His game is NBA-ready. He might already have the highest IQ on the team as a rookie. I think he needs to start with Lonzo when he gets back. He can defend 1-3 or even smaller 4's. Freakishly strong for a guard, and it shows in his rebounding. He's been stretching the floor at a high percentage too. Comes from a championship NCAA program. Been a joy to watch.

Wow, this is a draft that keeps on giving for the Lakers.[/quote]

He’s already such a better player than KCP.

Better in literally every single aspect of the game.

[Paradise]

Jarrett Allen vs Clint Capela. He’s going to be a nightmare once he hits the weight room.

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[Dankoz]

Mitchell Donovan is real deal, he will win.

[Black Mage]

Mitchell Donovan is real deal, he will win.

If one guy is considered an All-star snub and the other wasn't even in the conversation.... then no, Mitchell shouldn't win it.

[PhilBlackson]

Mitchell Donovan is real deal, he will win.

If one guy is considered an All-star snub and the other wasn't even in the conversation.... then no, Mitchell shouldn't win it.

One guy is competing with Curry, Harden, Westbrook (all of whom are MVP candidates n former MVPs) and Butler for a spot.

While the other is with Kyrie, Wall and Lowry where the last 2 arguably haven't even played to an all-star level.

It's also debatable the starter in the East wouldn't even have been 3rd in the West, the two after wouldn't even have sniffed consideration n needs to be factored into your "conversation".

[Black Mage]

Kyrie, Wall, Lowry, Derozan, Beal, Walker, Oladipo. The West's top end is stronger, but the East is no slouch in guards either.

[PhilBlackson]

Kyrie, Wall, Lowry, Derozan, Beal, Walker, Oladipo. The West's top end is stronger, but the East is no slouch in guards either.

Never said they were...

But to act as if Mitchell's route to an all-star game isn't MUCH harder is foolish when 3 out of the 4 (some would argue all 4) are the top names for MVP consideration this season. Two of which were already MVPs for the previous 3 NBA seasons and the other was the runner up those seasons lol n likely MVP this season. Your comment knocking DM's lack of all-star consideration or "not being snubbed" as some differentiator was ridiculous.

[Black Mage]

Kyrie, Wall, Lowry, Derozan, Beal, Walker, Oladipo. The West's top end is stronger, but the East is no slouch in guards either.

Never said they were...

But to act as if Mitchell's route to an all-star game isn't MUCH harder is foolish when 3 out of the 4 (some would argue all 4) are the top names for MVP consideration this season. Two of which were already MVPs for the previous 3 NBA seasons and the other was the runner up those seasons lol n likely MVP this season. Your comment knocking DM's lack of all-star consideration or "not being snubbed" as some differentiator was ridiculous.

Many would say Kyrie and Derozan are in MVP consideration this year, with Oladipo a dark horse candidate. Again, it is not that big of a gulf.

Look, DM is shooting 45% from the field and 35% from 3 with a meager 3 boards and 3 assists a game. He is a chucker at this stage of his career.

Simmons crushes DM in boards, assists, OWS, DWS and VORP. He takes 5 fewer shows a game and score just 2.5 points less than DM. Simmons as 5 triple doubles already this year.

There is hardly any statistical category or advanced metric that Simmons isn't better than DM.

I love DM, he was up in my top 6 big board and I wanted Sixers to consider him at 3, but he is not a better rookie than Simmons.

[PhilBlackson]

Kyrie, Wall, Lowry, Derozan, Beal, Walker, Oladipo. The West's top end is stronger, but the East is no slouch in guards either.

Never said they were...

But to act as if Mitchell's route to an all-star game isn't MUCH harder is foolish when 3 out of the 4 (some would argue all 4) are the top names for MVP consideration this season. Two of which were already MVPs for the previous 3 NBA seasons and the other was the runner up those seasons lol n likely MVP this season. Your comment knocking DM's lack of all-star consideration or "not being snubbed" as some differentiator was ridiculous.

Many would say Kyrie and Derozan are in MVP consideration this year, with Oladipo a dark horse candidate. Again, it is not that big of a gulf.

Look, DM is shooting 45% from the field and 35% from 3 with a meager 3 boards and 3 assists a game. He is a chucker at this stage of his career.

Simmons crushes DM in boards, assists, OWS, DWS and VORP. He takes 5 fewer shows a game and score just 2.5 points less than DM. Simmons as 5 triple doubles already this year.

There is hardly any statistical category or advanced metric that Simmons isn't better than DM.

I love DM, he was up in my top 6 big board and I wanted Sixers to consider him at 3, but he is not a better rookie than Simmons.

If you want to make an argument in favor of Simmons based on stats then you have more legitimate reasons to question someone favoring Mitchell over Simmons, my only beef was using the ASG has some obscure "reason" to validate it.

I really don't want to touch the MVP conversation too much but there's a difference between possible "consideration" and legit candidates which all of Harden, Curry and Westbrook are. If you were to take a poll now of ranking them I have very little doubt (almost none) the bulk of posters would have those 3 above the players you named. Which what makes your comment about DM not getting consideration for the ASG so ridiculous because all 3 of them are MVP level players and unquestionably ALL of them could start on the Eastern team yet somehow you expect, Mitchell to have gotten in the conversation ahead of one of them (while Simmons still hasn't made the ASG either even after 2 injury replacements)?! Just asinine.

[Andy123]

Kyrie, Wall, Lowry, Derozan, Beal, Walker, Oladipo. The West's top end is stronger, but the East is no slouch in guards either.

Never said they were...

But to act as if Mitchell's route to an all-star game isn't MUCH harder is foolish when 3 out of the 4 (some would argue all 4) are the top names for MVP consideration this season. Two of which were already MVPs for the previous 3 NBA seasons and the other was the runner up those seasons lol n likely MVP this season. Your comment knocking DM's lack of all-star consideration or "not being snubbed" as some differentiator was ridiculous.

Many would say Kyrie and Derozan are in MVP consideration this year, with Oladipo a dark horse candidate. Again, it is not that big of a gulf.

Look, DM is shooting 45% from the field and 35% from 3 with a meager 3 boards and 3 assists a game. He is a chucker at this stage of his career.

Simmons crushes DM in boards, assists, OWS, DWS and VORP. He takes 5 fewer shows a game and score just 2.5 points less than DM. Simmons as 5 triple doubles already this year.

There is hardly any statistical category or advanced metric that Simmons isn't better than DM.

I love DM, he was up in my top 6 big board and I wanted Sixers to consider him at 3, but he is not a better rookie than Simmons.

Simmons is a second year player . Let that sink in.

[GameBredAPBT]

Kyrie, Wall, Lowry, Derozan, Beal, Walker, Oladipo. The West's top end is stronger, but the East is no slouch in guards either.

Simmons benefits greatly from playing in the East & alongside Embiid

What Mitchell is doing is more impressive IMO

If the two traded places I think the Sixers would have more wins

[nurseryc]

Mitchell appears to be beginning to hit the rookie wall. In the last 2 games his numbers have really come back to earth and I don’t believe you can put it all down to not being 100%.

It also seems that the Jazz are surprisingly seeming to play a lot better when Mitchell has a lesser role in the offence. Utah with great wins in the last 2 games with Mitchell as a non factor.

[CoreyGallagher]

Simmons benefits greatly from playing in the East & alongside Embiid

Perhaps I can calculate the stats later for them individually, but I just quickly looked through the schedules. I believe the Sixers are 12-12 against the West, 14-13 against the East. Utah 16-14 against the West, 10-14 against the East. The teams aren’t benefiting from it at least, I’d be surprised if the players are noticeably, either.

Simmons does benefit from playing with Embiid, however lets not pretend as if Embiid doesn’t benefit from playing with Simmons as well. Simmons with Embiid is +17 on/off net, Embiid with Simmons is +10 on/off net.

[michaelm]

Never said they were...

But to act as if Mitchell's route to an all-star game isn't MUCH harder is foolish when 3 out of the 4 (some would argue all 4) are the top names for MVP consideration this season. Two of which were already MVPs for the previous 3 NBA seasons and the other was the runner up those seasons lol n likely MVP this season. Your comment knocking DM's lack of all-star consideration or "not being snubbed" as some differentiator was ridiculous.

Many would say Kyrie and Derozan are in MVP consideration this year, with Oladipo a dark horse candidate. Again, it is not that big of a gulf.

Look, DM is shooting 45% from the field and 35% from 3 with a meager 3 boards and 3 assists a game. He is a chucker at this stage of his career.

Simmons crushes DM in boards, assists, OWS, DWS and VORP. He takes 5 fewer shows a game and score just 2.5 points less than DM. Simmons as 5 triple doubles already this year.

There is hardly any statistical category or advanced metric that Simmons isn't better than DM.

I love DM, he was up in my top 6 big board and I wanted Sixers to consider him at 3, but he is not a better rookie than Simmons.

Simmons is a second year player . Let that sink in.

Perhaps you could list the games he played in his first season.