2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 3)
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Per36 is kind of a misdemeanor when your talking about a rookie who was stacking up 3 fouls in a quarter early on. It’s not all entirely the coach’s fault even if he sucks at it. Fact is he can’t play 36 because then he’d foul out lol so it doesn’t work
His drawbacks are part and parcel of why he hasn’t got a lot more mins. But that’ll change
Patience there’s 50+ games to go
His drawbacks are part and parcel of why he hasn’t got a lot more mins. But that’ll change
Patience there’s 50+ games to go
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This guy literally has the most fun name ever to pronounce.
SHENNNNGOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNN
Such an awesome player. Can do everything.
Should just call him Shenron the Dragon from DBZ.
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Jadoogar wrote:Kameleon wrote:Yeap It's Mobley and not even close. It's like Kyrie and Derrick Williams in their Rookie season.
I think it's Mobley but this is a terrible comparison. Barnes and Cade are better than Derrick williams in every way.
See, it's not just the Raptors' fans that feel the need to dump on other rookies.
I was just trying replicate Raptors fans. Toxic community.
Warning - Do not bait and attack a fan base like this. Posts like this ruin a thread.
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This guy literally has the most fun name ever to pronounce.
SHENNNNGOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNN
Such an awesome player. Can do everything.
Should just call him Shenron the Dragon from DBZ.
I see you are a man of culture. I thought if Beal was SS then Green is SS3 how wrong I was lmao
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Kameleon wrote:Jadoogar wrote:Kameleon wrote:Yeap It's Mobley and not even close. It's like Kyrie and Derrick Williams in their Rookie season.
I think it's Mobley but this is a terrible comparison. Barnes and Cade are better than Derrick williams in every way.
See, it's not just the Raptors' fans that feel the need to dump on other rookies.
I was just trying replicate Raptors fans. Toxic community.
The only toxic community are the Mobley nuthuggers, acting like he's Jesus and he's 10 tiers over everyone else.
Mind you, I'm not talking about the entire Cavs fan base here, most of them are legit down to earth knowledgeable guys.
Scottie Barnes is averaging 15.7 ppg 8.3 rpg 3.2 apg 1.7 ste 1.8 blks 49% FG and 2 3's made per game in his last two weeks.
He's not slowing down from his torrid start, he's getting better.
This is a notorious raw stats heavy award. If team record was a factor(it isn't even that much of a difference, 15-12 vs 12-14), I'll give you just an example if you claim to be a Cavs fan. Melo should've been ROY over Lebron since their stats were not that far apart and Melo made the playoffs and Lebron didn't.
The award is given based on stats. And the stats are ABSOLUTELY close. One bad strech or an injury for one or the other and the award could be lost.
So just shut it and enjoy and absolutely wonderful rookie class.
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Barnes also is near the league leader in minutes played.ROballer wrote:Kameleon wrote:Jadoogar wrote:
I think it's Mobley but this is a terrible comparison. Barnes and Cade are better than Derrick williams in every way.
See, it's not just the Raptors' fans that feel the need to dump on other rookies.
I was just trying replicate Raptors fans. Toxic community.
The only toxic community are the Mobley nuthuggers, acting like he's Jesus and he's 10 tiers over everyone else.
Mind you, I'm not talking about the entire Cavs fan base here, most of them are legit down to earth knowledgeable guys.
Scottie Barnes is averaging 15.7 ppg 8.3 rpg 3.2 apg 1.7 ste 1.8 blks 49% FG and 2 3's made per game in his last two weeks.
He's not slowing down from his torrid start, he's getting better.
This is a notorious raw stats heavy award. If team record was a factor(it isn't even that much of a difference, 15-12 vs 12-14), I'll give you just an example if you claim to be a Cavs fan. Melo should've been ROY over Lebron since their stats were not that far apart and Melo made the playoffs and Lebron didn't.
The award is given based on stats. And the stats are ABSOLUTELY close. One bad strech or an injury for one or the other and the award could be lost.
So just shut it and enjoy and absolutely wonderful rookie class.
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And? Mobley is seeing 33.3 mpg while Barnes is seeing 36 mpg.
It isn't a per minute production thing anyways, as other people have posted, if that was the case, Sengun would be up there as well.
I have Mobley as the ROY for the moment as well. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with guys thinking this way.
I have a problem with guys kissing his ass unnecesarily, while acting everyone else is Kai Jones or something. That no matter what he does personally, it would be enough because "it's not even close" for everyone else.
That's just false. Scottie Barnes is just as much in the race as Mobley is.
It isn't a per minute production thing anyways, as other people have posted, if that was the case, Sengun would be up there as well.
I have Mobley as the ROY for the moment as well. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with guys thinking this way.
I have a problem with guys kissing his ass unnecesarily, while acting everyone else is Kai Jones or something. That no matter what he does personally, it would be enough because "it's not even close" for everyone else.
That's just false. Scottie Barnes is just as much in the race as Mobley is.
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There are more good rookies than Mobley and Barnes. Wagner, Cunningham,Giddey and lately Sengun are also very impressive. Depending on criteria you can make case for most of them.
Mobley is best defensively, Barnes has the highest raw stats, Cunningham has the hardest role, Wagner is the most well rounded two way player, Giddey is special reading the floor and Sengun is a joy to watch.
Mobley is best defensively, Barnes has the highest raw stats, Cunningham has the hardest role, Wagner is the most well rounded two way player, Giddey is special reading the floor and Sengun is a joy to watch.
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Another great game by Allen. And lets not forget Love who is lately showing up great. Both are leaders of starters and bench respectively making Cavs a force to reckon with, but according to Mobley nuthuggers (
) both are freeloaders riding the coattails of Mobley. 
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zaymon wrote:There are more good rookies than Mobley and Barnes. Wagner, Cunningham,Giddey and lately Sengun are also very impressive. Depending on criteria you can make case for most of them.
Mobley is best defensively, Barnes has the highest raw stats, Cunningham has the hardest role, Wagner is the most well rounded two way player, Giddey is special reading the floor and Sengun is a joy to watch.
No doubt! this draft class is amazing, alot of players would be in the discussion for ROY in any other draft year. I do have Mobley winning it right now but this could be a potentially tight race near the end depending on who slows down or picks it up.
In my opinion Barnes has the most potential considering he was the most raw player coming in and is putting up the best stats out of the bunch which is friggin impressive
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All the players will improve not only Barnes. They are all close to the same age.TheDunc wrote:zaymon wrote:There are more good rookies than Mobley and Barnes. Wagner, Cunningham,Giddey and lately Sengun are also very impressive. Depending on criteria you can make case for most of them.
Mobley is best defensively, Barnes has the highest raw stats, Cunningham has the hardest role, Wagner is the most well rounded two way player, Giddey is special reading the floor and Sengun is a joy to watch.
No doubt! this draft class is amazing, alot of players would be in the discussion for ROY in any other draft year. I do have Mobley winning it right now but this could be a potentially tight race near the end depending on who slows down or picks it up.
In my opinion Barnes has the most potential considering he was the most raw player coming in and is putting up the best stats out of the bunch which is friggin impressive
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basketballRob wrote:All the players will improve not only Barnes. They are all close to the same age.TheDunc wrote:zaymon wrote:There are more good rookies than Mobley and Barnes. Wagner, Cunningham,Giddey and lately Sengun are also very impressive. Depending on criteria you can make case for most of them.
Mobley is best defensively, Barnes has the highest raw stats, Cunningham has the hardest role, Wagner is the most well rounded two way player, Giddey is special reading the floor and Sengun is a joy to watch.
No doubt! this draft class is amazing, alot of players would be in the discussion for ROY in any other draft year. I do have Mobley winning it right now but this could be a potentially tight race near the end depending on who slows down or picks it up.
In my opinion Barnes has the most potential considering he was the most raw player coming in and is putting up the best stats out of the bunch which is friggin impressive
Sure, but obviously some guys have a greater potential for improvement because of their elite measurements and physical builds, like Wagner, Kuminga, Mobley and Barnes. A guy like Jalen Green will be limited by his build and height, for instance, and will likely never be able to become a premier defender.
eyeatoma wrote:You guys still dont' get it. Playoff accomplishment don't matter when you're up for your 1st MVP. When you're up for your 3rd in a row, damn straight it matters, as the only ones who done it are top 15 players of all time who have won rings.
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basketballRob wrote:All the players will improve not only Barnes. They are all close to the same age.TheDunc wrote:zaymon wrote:There are more good rookies than Mobley and Barnes. Wagner, Cunningham,Giddey and lately Sengun are also very impressive. Depending on criteria you can make case for most of them.
Mobley is best defensively, Barnes has the highest raw stats, Cunningham has the hardest role, Wagner is the most well rounded two way player, Giddey is special reading the floor and Sengun is a joy to watch.
No doubt! this draft class is amazing, alot of players would be in the discussion for ROY in any other draft year. I do have Mobley winning it right now but this could be a potentially tight race near the end depending on who slows down or picks it up.
In my opinion Barnes has the most potential considering he was the most raw player coming in and is putting up the best stats out of the bunch which is friggin impressive
There are 3 players in the top 8 that were born in 2002: Giddey, Green, and Kuminga. The other 5 were all born in 2001, so unless you care about a guy being born in June as opposed to August, those guys are all the same age.
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eyeatoma wrote:You guys still dont' get it. Playoff accomplishment don't matter when you're up for your 1st MVP. When you're up for your 3rd in a row, damn straight it matters, as the only ones who done it are top 15 players of all time who have won rings.
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basketballRob wrote:All the players will improve not only Barnes. They are all close to the same age.TheDunc wrote:zaymon wrote:There are more good rookies than Mobley and Barnes. Wagner, Cunningham,Giddey and lately Sengun are also very impressive. Depending on criteria you can make case for most of them.
Mobley is best defensively, Barnes has the highest raw stats, Cunningham has the hardest role, Wagner is the most well rounded two way player, Giddey is special reading the floor and Sengun is a joy to watch.
No doubt! this draft class is amazing, alot of players would be in the discussion for ROY in any other draft year. I do have Mobley winning it right now but this could be a potentially tight race near the end depending on who slows down or picks it up.
In my opinion Barnes has the most potential considering he was the most raw player coming in and is putting up the best stats out of the bunch which is friggin impressive
And? i didnt bring up age and being young doesnt always mean X player will improve. It was a well known fact that Barnes coming in was one of the most raw players in the draft, not physically but in terms of skills but up to date hes putting up some of the best stats already with very raw skills which is why i have him as having the most potential. Just my opinion and not a shot at any other rookies
He already has a man body and it will only get better with NBA trainers. His feel for the game is already amazing
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I will say it again, no one thought Barnes would be at the top of rookie scoring this year. If so many experts and casuals can be wrong just a few months later, trying to say "for sure" how the rest of this season.....and their careers play out, is foolish. It's like the weatherman who can't get right what tbe weather will be in 2 days, trying to tell me what it will be in 14 days.
This rookie class is great. Let's try and enjoy seeing so many kids having good impacts on their teams.
This rookie class is great. Let's try and enjoy seeing so many kids having good impacts on their teams.
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If he wasn't stuck behind wood, who has a lot of.. political capital on this team he'd be at worse fourth in ROY discussion. Maybe 3rdTor_Raps wrote:
I really want to see him start. This guy could easily be in the ROY race if he got the same leeway as his peers.