The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

[michaelm]

Mitchell appears to be beginning to hit the rookie wall. In the last 2 games his numbers have really come back to earth and I don’t believe you can put it all down to not being 100%.

It also seems that the Jazz are surprisingly seeming to play a lot better when Mitchell has a lesser role in the offence. Utah with great wins in the last 2 games with Mitchell as a non factor.

Why do you feel such a need to death ride Mitchell?. Simmons can stand on his own record.

If Utah have developed a better scheme with the return of their elite centre and Rubio really firing, so what, and how does that detract from Mitchell having carried them in many previous games?. Are you suggesting he should chuck to the detriment of his team to have better numbers so he can be ROTY?, an award you seem to consider far more important than most do anyway.

And as someone said on another current thread, can you confirm or deny that that you are a certain Australian member of parliament?.

[GameBredAPBT]

Mitchell appears to be beginning to hit the rookie wall. In the last 2 games his numbers have really come back to earth and I don’t believe you can put it all down to not being 100%.

It also seems that the Jazz are surprisingly seeming to play a lot better when Mitchell has a lesser role in the offence. Utah with great wins in the last 2 games with Mitchell as a non factor.

Why do you feel such a need to death ride Mitchell?. Simmons can stand on his own record.

If Utah have developed a better scheme with the return of their elite centre and Rubio really firing, so what, and how does that detract from Mitchell having carried them in many previous games?. Are you suggesting he should chuck to the detriment of his team to have better numbers so he can be ROTY?, an award you seem to consider far more important than most do anyway.

And as someone said on another current thread, can you confirm or deny that that you are a certain Australian member of parliament?.

Seriously

[michaelm]

Mitchell appears to be beginning to hit the rookie wall. In the last 2 games his numbers have really come back to earth and I don’t believe you can put it all down to not being 100%.

It also seems that the Jazz are surprisingly seeming to play a lot better when Mitchell has a lesser role in the offence. Utah with great wins in the last 2 games with Mitchell as a non factor.

Why do you feel such a need to death ride Mitchell?. Simmons can stand on his own record.

If Utah have developed a better scheme with the return of their elite centre and Rubio really firing, so what, and how does that detract from Mitchell having carried them in many previous games?. Are you suggesting he should chuck to the detriment of his team to have better numbers so he can be ROTY?, an award you seem to consider far more important than most do anyway.

And as someone said on another current thread, can you confirm or deny that that you are a certain Australian member of parliament?.

Seriously

I am on board with him possibly being ailing for the last 2 games out of the whole season thus far as well, but he has clearly contributed much to Utah this season regardless.

[Black Mage]

Never said they were...

But to act as if Mitchell's route to an all-star game isn't MUCH harder is foolish when 3 out of the 4 (some would argue all 4) are the top names for MVP consideration this season. Two of which were already MVPs for the previous 3 NBA seasons and the other was the runner up those seasons lol n likely MVP this season. Your comment knocking DM's lack of all-star consideration or "not being snubbed" as some differentiator was ridiculous.

Many would say Kyrie and Derozan are in MVP consideration this year, with Oladipo a dark horse candidate. Again, it is not that big of a gulf.

Look, DM is shooting 45% from the field and 35% from 3 with a meager 3 boards and 3 assists a game. He is a chucker at this stage of his career.

Simmons crushes DM in boards, assists, OWS, DWS and VORP. He takes 5 fewer shows a game and score just 2.5 points less than DM. Simmons as 5 triple doubles already this year.

There is hardly any statistical category or advanced metric that Simmons isn't better than DM.

I love DM, he was up in my top 6 big board and I wanted Sixers to consider him at 3, but he is not a better rookie than Simmons.

Simmons is a second year player . Let that sink in.

The rules say he is a rookie. Time to stop yelling at the moon like a crazy old man and accept reality.

LET THAT SINK IN.

[Black Mage]

Never said they were...

But to act as if Mitchell's route to an all-star game isn't MUCH harder is foolish when 3 out of the 4 (some would argue all 4) are the top names for MVP consideration this season. Two of which were already MVPs for the previous 3 NBA seasons and the other was the runner up those seasons lol n likely MVP this season. Your comment knocking DM's lack of all-star consideration or "not being snubbed" as some differentiator was ridiculous.

Many would say Kyrie and Derozan are in MVP consideration this year, with Oladipo a dark horse candidate. Again, it is not that big of a gulf.

Look, DM is shooting 45% from the field and 35% from 3 with a meager 3 boards and 3 assists a game. He is a chucker at this stage of his career.

Simmons crushes DM in boards, assists, OWS, DWS and VORP. He takes 5 fewer shows a game and score just 2.5 points less than DM. Simmons as 5 triple doubles already this year.

There is hardly any statistical category or advanced metric that Simmons isn't better than DM.

I love DM, he was up in my top 6 big board and I wanted Sixers to consider him at 3, but he is not a better rookie than Simmons.

If you want to make an argument in favor of Simmons based on stats then you have more legitimate reasons to question someone favoring Mitchell over Simmons, my only beef was using the ASG has some obscure "reason" to validate it.

I really don't want to touch the MVP conversation too much but there's a difference between possible "consideration" and legit candidates which all of Harden, Curry and Westbrook are. If you were to take a poll now of ranking them I have very little doubt (almost none) the bulk of posters would have those 3 above the players you named. Which what makes your comment about DM not getting consideration for the ASG so ridiculous because all 3 of them are MVP level players and unquestionably ALL of them could start on the Eastern team yet somehow you expect, Mitchell to have gotten in the conversation ahead of one of them (while Simmons still hasn't made the ASG either even after 2 injury replacements)?! Just asinine.

It is stats and metrics that formed the basis for Simmons all star candidacy. The all star consideration speaks to the better stats so it's fair to use as a reason for this argument.

[Dankoz]

Mitchell > Simmons

[Drakeem]

Don't see enough talk about Jarrett Allen's recent play with Brooklyn. He's starting to break out a little bit, and is a nice little addition to all the intriguing young players Brooklyn is stockpiling right now.

[mtron929]

Ben Simmons is clearly the favorite for the ROTY on pretty much all betting sites right now. Don't let anyone on this forum fool you into thinking it is close. Basically, we have a case where most people think it is Simmons so they are not really pushing Simmon's case whereas the few outlier Mitchell fans are voicing their opinions more to make it seem like it is closer than it actually is.

[Cappy_Smurf]

Mitchell appears to be beginning to hit the rookie wall. In the last 2 games his numbers have really come back to earth and I don’t believe you can put it all down to not being 100%.

It also seems that the Jazz are surprisingly seeming to play a lot better when Mitchell has a lesser role in the offence. Utah with great wins in the last 2 games with Mitchell as a non factor.

Lmao

You forgot to mention he missed a game with the flu and that these last 2 games are following that.

Don't you want to post his numbers for the game he missed?

00/00//00 in 0 minutes. Damn, that Mitchell just isn't very good now.

Ben Simmons is clearly the favorite for the ROTY on pretty much all betting sites right now. Don't let anyone on this forum fool you into thinking it is close. Basically, we have a case where most people think it is Simmons so they are not really pushing Simmon's case whereas the few outlier Mitchell fans are voicing their opinions more to make it seem like it is closer than it actually is.

Lmao

Do you really think people can't look at the poll at the top to see how close it is here?

As far as I'm concerned, I think people should make up their own minds, you know, by watching these guys play. Nobody should form an opinion by reading a message board. And the people on this board who make up their own minds, are pretty evenly split with Simmons having a slight edge.

[nurseryc]

Mitchell appears to be beginning to hit the rookie wall. In the last 2 games his numbers have really come back to earth and I don’t believe you can put it all down to not being 100%.

It also seems that the Jazz are surprisingly seeming to play a lot better when Mitchell has a lesser role in the offence. Utah with great wins in the last 2 games with Mitchell as a non factor.

Lmao

You forgot to mention he missed a game with the flu and that these last 2 games are following that.

Don't you want to post his numbers for the game he missed?

00/00//00 in 0 minutes. Damn, that Mitchell just isn't very good now.

Ben Simmons is clearly the favorite for the ROTY on pretty much all betting sites right now. Don't let anyone on this forum fool you into thinking it is close. Basically, we have a case where most people think it is Simmons so they are not really pushing Simmon's case whereas the few outlier Mitchell fans are voicing their opinions more to make it seem like it is closer than it actually is.

Lmao

Do you really think people can't look at the poll at the top to see how close it is here?

As far as I'm concerned, I think people should make up their own minds, you know, by watching these guys play. Nobody should form an opinion by reading a message board. And the people on this board who make up their own minds, are pretty evenly split with Simmons having a slight edge.

I have attended every Sixers game this season. I’ve never seen a player like Simmons. He is the ROY favourite by a landslide

[theo42]

Mitchell > Simmons

Pts, 3s and FTs. Only thing he is better than Simmons at.

Simmons has done it all year too...

Simmons is 2-0 against Mitchell as well. Mitchell was terrible head to head.

[Gus McCrae]

Ben Simmons is clearly the favorite for the ROTY on pretty much all betting sites right now. Don't let anyone on this forum fool you into thinking it is close. Basically, we have a case where most people think it is Simmons so they are not really pushing Simmon's case whereas the few outlier Mitchell fans are voicing their opinions more to make it seem like it is closer than it actually is.

Love me some Mitchell but yeah Simmons has it for
Sure

[Capn'O]

What is going on with Isaac?

[Mikistan]

Simmons is a monster in 2k I can vouch
Dude dunks on OG every play

[yoyoboy]

He's not a high profile rookie, so I'm not sure he deserves mention in this thread with the rest of these guys, but Cedi Osman just had his first career start for us. 16 points / 6 rebounds / 5 assists / 3 steals / 2 turnovers / 6-9 FG

He was 2-7 from the line though, so he's gotta work on that. He's really active and his defense is impressive for a rookie.

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[michaelm]

Mitchell appears to be beginning to hit the rookie wall. In the last 2 games his numbers have really come back to earth and I don’t believe you can put it all down to not being 100%.

It also seems that the Jazz are surprisingly seeming to play a lot better when Mitchell has a lesser role in the offence. Utah with great wins in the last 2 games with Mitchell as a non factor.

Lmao

You forgot to mention he missed a game with the flu and that these last 2 games are following that.

Don't you want to post his numbers for the game he missed?

00/00//00 in 0 minutes. Damn, that Mitchell just isn't very good now.

Ben Simmons is clearly the favorite for the ROTY on pretty much all betting sites right now. Don't let anyone on this forum fool you into thinking it is close. Basically, we have a case where most people think it is Simmons so they are not really pushing Simmon's case whereas the few outlier Mitchell fans are voicing their opinions more to make it seem like it is closer than it actually is.

Lmao

Do you really think people can't look at the poll at the top to see how close it is here?

As far as I'm concerned, I think people should make up their own minds, you know, by watching these guys play. Nobody should form an opinion by reading a message board. And the people on this board who make up their own minds, are pretty evenly split with Simmons having a slight edge.

I have attended every Sixers game this season. I’ve never seen a player like Simmons. He is the ROY favourite by a landslide

It seems to have taken only 3 games for Mitchell to scale that rookie wall you were contending he had hit.

[PLO]

Lmao

You forgot to mention he missed a game with the flu and that these last 2 games are following that.

Don't you want to post his numbers for the game he missed?

00/00//00 in 0 minutes. Damn, that Mitchell just isn't very good now.



Lmao

Do you really think people can't look at the poll at the top to see how close it is here?

As far as I'm concerned, I think people should make up their own minds, you know, by watching these guys play. Nobody should form an opinion by reading a message board. And the people on this board who make up their own minds, are pretty evenly split with Simmons having a slight edge.

I have attended every Sixers game this season. I’ve never seen a player like Simmons. He is the ROY favourite by a landslide

It seems to have taken only 3 games for Mitchell to scale that rookie wall you were contending he had hit.

I'm not sure he even hit it given he's had a virus lately which would account for the drop in production. He threw up a few bricks today but he's obviously being green lit by the coaching staff to go for it. His leap off two feet has to be among the league's best already.

[michaelm]

I have attended every Sixers game this season. I’ve never seen a player like Simmons. He is the ROY favourite by a landslide

It seems to have taken only 3 games for Mitchell to scale that rookie wall you were contending he had hit.

I'm not sure he even hit it given he's had a virus lately which would account for the drop in production. He threw up a few bricks today but he's obviously being green lit by the coaching staff to go for it. His leap off two feet has to be among the league's best already.

It was Nursery C's contention, not mine.

I am a Simmons fan btw, I just don't think this comes with any requirement to denigrate/death-ride Mitchell.

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