NBA MVP Discussion 20/21 (Fresh poll ➥ Vote)

[Impuniti]

Why is Steph above Dame in the Mvp discussion exactly?

Before todays games (they both won)

Dame

29/5/7 on .633ts
26.7 Per
.221 ws/48
+10.5 on/off

Steph

30/6/6 on .656ts
25.6 Per
.208 ws/48
+2.2 on/off

Blazers have been higher in the seeding basically all season. Blazers and Warriors are similar caliber teams when both are on the floor but Blazers are much worse when Dame is on the bench compared to the Warriors. Cj has missed half the season at this point and Dames "Draymond" in Nurk has missed half the season too. Steph dropped 62 on them but Dame lit them up the game right before in a 25pt win

Dame has a much better offensive cast but one of the worst defensive casts in the league. Steph is the opposite he has a very bad offensive cast but one of the best defensive casts. Overall team success and numbers show Dame is having a better season

What a bunch of garbage. Steph has been the best player so far into this season and is playing for the team that finished dead last in the NBA last season. I wonder why you didn't put their shooting numbers, an area where Made in Taiwan Steph is significantly lower by a wide margin every single season.

The Blazers without Lillard would also be one of the worst teams in the league .... Curry has a great year and deserves to be considered before Dame but to win the MVP,the warriors only have 2 games over .500 right now, it will take more than that to win the MVP. Just ask Kobe Bryant in 2006.

I'm with you. Steph should not win it unless he takes the team 3-4th in the West. I've got Embiid and Lebron as my 1a and 1b, but I'm skeptical regarding Embiid considering the Sixer's woeful record vs non-fodder.

[cupcakesnake]

Two extremely fascinating trends in this thread:
1. Lakers fans believe Lebron should win MVP
2. Phili fans believe Joel should win MVP

Can someone explain this strange and bizarre phenomenon.

[Big J]

Curry is just different man. Him carrying this trash ass team 2 games over .500 is legit a miracle.

[jg77]

Curry starting to get a well deserved narrative push. Warriors just gotta win more games and he's on his way to a third MVP.

[Big J]

Curry taking the MVP when it was supposed to be Brons “turn” would be hilarious.

[Alonzo_Morning]

Curry 1, Bron 2

[MisterHibachi]

Are people serious with this Curry stuff? His team is the 8th seed.

[Homer38]

1.LeBron
2.Embiid
3.Jokic
4.KD
5.Kawhi


https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-feb-12-edition

[yoyoboy]

Curry is obviously having a great season and definitely deserves a mention here but putting him above some of the other guys is crazy to me. It would be one thing if Steph was carrying a bunch of sad sacks to a top offense but the Warriors aren't even winning games with offense. They're 20th in the league on offense and 6th on defense. And most metrics this year paint Steph as a slight negative on that end. Embiid, Jokic, LeBron, and Kawhi are all ahead imo and he's probably in that next group with Giannis, Gobert, and Luka. I'm excluding KD because he's just missed far too many games.

[ahmetmekin]

Curry is obviously having a great season and definitely deserves a mention here but putting him above some of the other guys is crazy to me. It would be one thing if Steph was carrying a bunch of sad sacks to a top offense but the Warriors aren't even winning games with offense. They're 20th in the league on offense and 6th on defense. And most metrics this year paint Steph as a slight negative on that end. Embiid, Jokic, LeBron, and Kawhi are all ahead imo and he's probably in that next group with Giannis, Gobert, and Luka. I'm excluding KD because he's just missed far too many games.

Curry is 2nd in rpm, 3rd in bpm. Without Curry, this team would be 30th on offense and fight for the 14th spot in the west.

[yoyoboy]

Curry is obviously having a great season and definitely deserves a mention here but putting him above some of the other guys is crazy to me. It would be one thing if Steph was carrying a bunch of sad sacks to a top offense but the Warriors aren't even winning games with offense. They're 20th in the league on offense and 6th on defense. And most metrics this year paint Steph as a slight negative on that end. Embiid, Jokic, LeBron, and Kawhi are all ahead imo and he's probably in that next group with Giannis, Gobert, and Luka. I'm excluding KD because he's just missed far too many games.

Curry is 2nd in rpm, 3rd in bpm. Without Curry, this team would be 30th on offense and fight for the 14th spot in the west.

Carrying average teams to contention is more valuable than carrying bad teams to mediocrity though.

[Jadoogar]

I had KD as my pick before the season started but the harden trade has basically taken him out of the equation.
My top 5 would be Embiid, Lebron, Curry, Jokic, Kawhi

[ahmetmekin]

Curry is obviously having a great season and definitely deserves a mention here but putting him above some of the other guys is crazy to me. It would be one thing if Steph was carrying a bunch of sad sacks to a top offense but the Warriors aren't even winning games with offense. They're 20th in the league on offense and 6th on defense. And most metrics this year paint Steph as a slight negative on that end. Embiid, Jokic, LeBron, and Kawhi are all ahead imo and he's probably in that next group with Giannis, Gobert, and Luka. I'm excluding KD because he's just missed far too many games.

Curry is 2nd in rpm, 3rd in bpm. Without Curry, this team would be 30th on offense and fight for the 14th spot in the west.

Carrying average teams to contention is more valuable than carrying bad teams to mediocrity though.

I can agree with not giving mvp to Steph because of the low seed of its team but Jokic at 3 (basically has the same team record), KD at 4 (missed a ton of games and has much better team mates) then Curry at 7 is not justifiable in terms any kind of consistent criteria.

[Down3223]

Are people serious with this Curry stuff? His team is the 8th seed.

curry and his mediocre team record have him outside the top 3 favs, right where he belongs

[trickshot]

Are people serious with this Curry stuff? His team is the 8th seed.

curry and his mediocre team record have him outside the top 3 favs, right where he belongs

Players' MVP is that way>>>>>>>

Carry jobs haven't traditionally been appreciated with this award.

[warriorschamps]

I don't really care too much about the MVP to be honest. Yet the whole narrative around MVP is silly right now. Steph is playing better basketball than anybody in the league right now but he can't win MVP because he is two games above .500 but then the those same folks somehow mention Jokic and Durant whose teams aren't any better than the Warriors at this point. And oh Steph isn't playing with Kyrie and Harden. So if Steph is playing better than Jokic & Durant and their teams aren't better than the Warriors how on earth are they ahead of him in the MVP race?

Steph should already have another MVP, maybe two more. But at this point Steph is like Jordan they could give it to him every year but they are not.

[Benedict_Boozer]

1.LeBron
2.Embiid
3.Jokic
4.KD
5.Kawhi


https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-feb-12-edition

Seems pretty obvious where the vote is headed.

[trickshot]

I don't really care too much about the MVP to be honest. Yet the whole narrative around MVP is silly right now. Steph is playing better basketball than anybody in the league right now but he can't win MVP because he is two games above .500 but then the those same folks somehow mention Jokic and Durant whose teams aren't any better than the Warriors at this point. And oh Steph isn't playing with Kyrie and Harden. So if Steph is playing better than Jokic & Durant and their teams aren't better than the Warriors how on earth are they ahead of him in the MVP race?

Steph should already have another MVP, maybe two more. But at this point Steph is like Jordan they could give it to him every year but they are not.

-Kd isn't a serious candidate
-Jokic has fallen down the ladder because of record
-Curry has actually benefitted from this criteria in the past. People felt Harden should have been given the 15 MVP because his team was worse than Curry's. Not necessarily how I feel but that was the sentiment at the time and how the players voted him MVP

[Roger Murdock]

Curry is obviously having a great season and definitely deserves a mention here but putting him above some of the other guys is crazy to me. It would be one thing if Steph was carrying a bunch of sad sacks to a top offense but the Warriors aren't even winning games with offense. They're 20th in the league on offense and 6th on defense. And most metrics this year paint Steph as a slight negative on that end. Embiid, Jokic, LeBron, and Kawhi are all ahead imo and he's probably in that next group with Giannis, Gobert, and Luka. I'm excluding KD because he's just missed far too many games.

Curry is 2nd in rpm, 3rd in bpm. Without Curry, this team would be 30th on offense and fight for the 14th spot in the west.

Carrying average teams to contention is more valuable than carrying bad teams to mediocrity though.

Which Steph has proven he’s more capable of doing than anyone else. He’s just got a terrible team around him instead of an average one.

[LesGrossman]

The most interesting part in the whole thing is the business side imho. To see how hard the league, ESPN and Bleacher are pushing to make LeBron relevant in the conversation is just amazing and it shows the extent to which this is a business, not a sport. Also explains how and why the superstars promoted by the league factually get a different ruleset from the 300 regular guys. Theres no doubt that talent wise the league is in a great spot right now. Its just that they havent realized how to sell it yet, so they fall back to the safe old thing that worked for the last fifteen years.

As for MVP, i dont care for unwritten rules (winning record, best player on best team, blabla). Most valuable for their respective teams (meaning the decline that would happen if they werent playing) i'd say Steph, Joker, Kawhi, KD, Embiid. Most valuable towards best player in the league right now probably KD, Steph, Joker, EMbiid, Kawhi, LeBron/AD (see what happened for three or four games in a row without AD? Overtime each game vs bottom dwellers...). Its crazy, like the covid situation brings out super powers in everyone. Suddenly 50+ point games are a regular thing...

If you are consistent in your criteria, LeBron deserved the MVP in 2018 according to your criteria .... Win 50 games with a team that would have lost 60 without LBJ and the rockets had Chris Paul but I know you will change your criteria once again.And LOL at KD and Kawhi.The Nets are only 15-12 with Kyrie and Harden and and he missed way too many game, even if it's not his fault and the clippers have a losing record without George right now.

Yes, that makes sense. I can see him winning in 2018 much more than in 2021.