KD to GS - Pt III

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Re: KD to GS - Pt III 

Post#781 » by azwfan » Fri Jul 8, 2016 6:36 pm

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Klay would be incredible coming off the bench. Livingston, Klay, Iggy, West, Jones would be one of the best benches in the league.

Warriors need someone like Roberson/Sefolosha to start with Curry, Durant and Green. Just play solid D and hit some open looks. Klay wouldn't get enough touches in that lineup in my opinion. He'd be wasted in there. If he could buy into the bench role like Iggy did, that would be great.


Yikes... you're kidding yourself if you think Klay Thompson would willingly come off the bench. He's the 2nd best shooter in the whole league, and plays great defense. He's a proponent 2-way player in this league that every team would covet.

Like others said, I wouldn't be surprised to see him gone when his contract is up.


What's so yikes about it?

The starting lineup is too crowded with Klay then. He won't get any touches. He can lead the second unit and feast on other teams bench units.

I don't think it's so far fetched. They're all very unselfish bunch. Kerr has guts to experiment. He did the same thing to Iggy and it worked really well.


Klay already does lead the 2nd unit. He usually comes out with about 5-6 mins left in the 1st quarter and starts off the 2nd quarter while Curry is resting.
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Re: KD to GS - Pt III 

Post#782 » by RCM88x » Fri Jul 8, 2016 6:41 pm

whocurrz wrote:Warriors already have Iguodala and Livingston coming off the bench and one of Curry, Klay or Durant can play along side them and get plenty of looks while the other guys are resting. I think Curry and Durant play less minutes than Klay anyways this year so I think Klay will get plenty of minutes.


MPG in the 2016 playoffs:
Durant: 40
Klay: 35
Curry: 34
Dray: 38

Durant will likely still play the most out of all of the GS players, that's just the way he is. Curry and Klay will have to see their MPG increase unless they find another bench Guard. Draymond will probably see more minutes as well as they have much less depth at Center and he has no true backup outside of West (17mpg in the playoffs).

I think Klay, Curry and Draymond will really struggle when they are forced to play 40+ mpg in the playoffs (or regular season) for long stretches of games. You see what happened this year, they partially because of fatigue and a loss of depth. These will just be amplified next season when instead of 4-5 really solid bench players, you only have maybe 2.5.
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Re: KD to GS - Pt III 

Post#783 » by Onus » Fri Jul 8, 2016 7:31 pm

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whocurrz wrote:Warriors already have Iguodala and Livingston coming off the bench and one of Curry, Klay or Durant can play along side them and get plenty of looks while the other guys are resting. I think Curry and Durant play less minutes than Klay anyways this year so I think Klay will get plenty of minutes.


MPG in the 2016 playoffs:
Durant: 40
Klay: 35
Curry: 34
Dray: 38

Durant will likely still play the most out of all of the GS players, that's just the way he is. Curry and Klay will have to see their MPG increase unless they find another bench Guard. Draymond will probably see more minutes as well as they have much less depth at Center and he has no true backup outside of West (17mpg in the playoffs).

I think Klay, Curry and Draymond will really struggle when they are forced to play 40+ mpg in the playoffs (or regular season) for long stretches of games. You see what happened this year, they partially because of fatigue and a loss of depth. These will just be amplified next season when instead of 4-5 really solid bench players, you only have maybe 2.5.


Our solid bench players last year consisted of a bunch of journey men. Barbosa? Ezeli? Speights? Varejao? Rush?

Our bench this year will be so far West and a bunch of rookies (McCaw, Jones, Looney, possibly Carter), but we still have Livingston, Iguodala and others (McAdoo, Clark). We'll see who else will be added. We're missing some instant offense off the bench, but I think the upgrade in Durant for Barnes could help. And some big bodies but Ezeli/Varejao/Speights were essentially unplayable in the finals anyway.
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Re: Re: KD to GS - Pt III 

Post#784 » by NBAfan3024 » Fri Jul 8, 2016 7:50 pm

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whocurrz wrote:Warriors already have Iguodala and Livingston coming off the bench and one of Curry, Klay or Durant can play along side them and get plenty of looks while the other guys are resting. I think Curry and Durant play less minutes than Klay anyways this year so I think Klay will get plenty of minutes.


MPG in the 2016 playoffs:
Durant: 40
Klay: 35
Curry: 34
Dray: 38

Durant will likely still play the most out of all of the GS players, that's just the way he is. Curry and Klay will have to see their MPG increase unless they find another bench Guard. Draymond will probably see more minutes as well as they have much less depth at Center and he has no true backup outside of West (17mpg in the playoffs).

I think Klay, Curry and Draymond will really struggle when they are forced to play 40+ mpg in the playoffs (or regular season) for long stretches of games. You see what happened this year, they partially because of fatigue and a loss of depth. These will just be amplified next season when instead of 4-5 really solid bench players, you only have maybe 2.5.

Even if playing those mins are tough having Durant instead of Barnes would of made enough of a difference where it might not of mattered

Every team has flaws and depth might be an issue at times but the main stars should be more rested if they rotate heavy mins in the regular season
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Re: KD to GS - Pt III 

Post#785 » by whocurrz » Fri Jul 8, 2016 8:08 pm

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whocurrz wrote:Warriors already have Iguodala and Livingston coming off the bench and one of Curry, Klay or Durant can play along side them and get plenty of looks while the other guys are resting. I think Curry and Durant play less minutes than Klay anyways this year so I think Klay will get plenty of minutes.


MPG in the 2016 playoffs:
Durant: 40
Klay: 35
Curry: 34
Dray: 38

Durant will likely still play the most out of all of the GS players, that's just the way he is. Curry and Klay will have to see their MPG increase unless they find another bench Guard. Draymond will probably see more minutes as well as they have much less depth at Center and he has no true backup outside of West (17mpg in the playoffs).

I think Klay, Curry and Draymond will really struggle when they are forced to play 40+ mpg in the playoffs (or regular season) for long stretches of games. You see what happened this year, they partially because of fatigue and a loss of depth. These will just be amplified next season when instead of 4-5 really solid bench players, you only have maybe 2.5.


Durant played most minutes in last years playoffs but that's because OKC's offense fell off a cliff most games when him or Westbrook went to the bench. He'll get more rest during the season because the Warriors won't be chasing records. Bench is definitely less potent but won't matter as much in the playoffs and the Spurs and OKC are the biggest threats and likely take a step back.

The small ball squad was still very successful and outscored the Cavs in game 7. The only team it got absolutely destroyed by was OKC because KD was so good at defending Draymond's playmaking.
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Re: KD to GS - Pt III 

Post#786 » by rockmanslim » Sat Jul 9, 2016 6:23 am

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I'm over it. When Durant speaks he comes across as someone that just isn't hate-able. Humble, soft-spoken, introspective, self-aware. I guess he's always been that way, but I guess this is a reminder... I'm in lol.
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Re: KD to GS - Pt III 

Post#787 » by HiRez » Sat Jul 9, 2016 7:49 am

suntzuballin wrote:Him saying okc plateau ed is utter bs with trade made to olamdipo was a brilliant move now okc has 2 lock down defenders(roberson)

You conveniently left out MINUS IBAKA, who was one of the biggest thorns in the Warrior's sides.
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Re: KD to GS - Pt III 

Post#788 » by nfmos » Sat Jul 9, 2016 8:02 am

I think its funny how some people think Klay is the type of guy who would leave in the future because he wants to be the star of another team. Out of all of our players, Klay is probably the least likely to want any additional attention or celebrity. His bobble head last year was of him and his dog because basically all he does is spend time in the gym shooting and spending time with his dog. KD even joked about not thinking Klay even had a phone, and everyone jokes about how low key he is. Klay isn't going anywhere.
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Post#789 » by Pennebaker » Sat Jul 9, 2016 8:23 am

nfmos wrote:I think its funny how some people think Klay is the type of guy who would leave in the future because he wants to be the star of another team. Out of all of our players, Klay is probably the least likely to want any additional attention or celebrity. His bobble head last year was of him and his dog because basically all he does is spend time in the gym shooting and spending time with his dog. KD even joked about not thinking Klay even had a phone, and everyone jokes about how low key he is. Klay isn't going anywhere.


They said that about Kevin Durant.

In my opinion, Klay seems like the type of guy that would absolutely leave to be the featured scorer of another team. What did he always used to say about Steph? "I've never been on a team where someone was a better shooter than me." He's not used to that, and he still takes every opportunity he can to "take over" games like a franchise player, right? But those opportunities are going to be fewer now - his significance is going to be reduced as another player comes in and takes one of the top two spots (which would have an impact on anybody in any workplace).

Also, in a way, Klay Thompson might even see the pursuit of Durant as an insult - that he just wasn't cutting it as a second banana. Writers were saying, "Aw, well Steph needs more of the load taken off of him." And isn't that a criticism of Steph's teammates? And who's first in that line of fire? Klay. That's gotta sting... just a bit.

So if the Warriors struggle at any point, or can't win a ring... well, it goes without saying that I think Klay leaving is certainly possible. I mean, how can anyone rule it out!? It's the NBA! :lol:
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Re: KD to GS - Pt III 

Post#790 » by nfmos » Sat Jul 9, 2016 8:50 am

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nfmos wrote:I think its funny how some people think Klay is the type of guy who would leave in the future because he wants to be the star of another team. Out of all of our players, Klay is probably the least likely to want any additional attention or celebrity. His bobble head last year was of him and his dog because basically all he does is spend time in the gym shooting and spending time with his dog. KD even joked about not thinking Klay even had a phone, and everyone jokes about how low key he is. Klay isn't going anywhere.


They said that about Kevin Durant.

In my opinion, Klay seems like the type of guy that would absolutely leave to be the featured scorer of another team. What did he always used to say about Steph? "I've never been on a team where someone was a better shooter than me." He's not used to that, and he still takes every opportunity he can to "take over" games like a franchise player, right? But those opportunities are going to be fewer now - his significance is going to be reduced as another player comes in and takes one of the top two spots (which would have an impact on anybody in any workplace).

Also, in a way, Klay Thompson might even see the pursuit of Durant as an insult - that he just wasn't cutting it as a second banana. Writers were saying, "Aw, well Steph needs more of the load taken off of him." And isn't that a criticism of Steph's teammates? And who's first in that line of fire? Klay. That's gotta sting... just a bit.

So if the Warriors struggle at any point, or can't win a ring... well, it goes without saying that I think Klay leaving is certainly possible. I mean, how can anyone rule it out!? It's the NBA! :lol:


As a Warriors fan, we obviously get a lot more coverage of the guy, lots of behind the scenes interviews and segments on him. I and some friends have also seen him out and about, and he is the most chill, non attention seeking guy ever. There is no way you could compare him to KD and their mentality. KD was the man from the get go when they were in Seattle. Klay has never complained, even slightly, about his shots, and the comment about Curry was made with a laugh as he was complimenting Curry, so I think you heard the context. And in the meeting they had, Klay even joked about how many more open shots he was going to get with KD. Trust me, he's not going somewhere for the attention and to be the focal point of another team. Maybe if he isn't able to get paid enough, or is insulted with an offer, maybe he leaves. But the Warriors, especially Jerry West, love him, and they aren't going to let that happen. Plus its not like he grew up poor and needs to take care of his family, especially with a MLB playing brother. This guy is low maintenance, and I just can't see him yearning to be "the man".
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Post#791 » by Hero » Sat Jul 9, 2016 10:11 am

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Add on top of that all the stories about how he became close with Draymond, and that the Warriors started the recruiting process years ago.



Waiting for some leaks as to how Russ feels about all of this.
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Post#792 » by Pennebaker » Sat Jul 9, 2016 10:15 am

nfmos wrote:
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nfmos wrote:I think its funny how some people think Klay is the type of guy who would leave in the future because he wants to be the star of another team. Out of all of our players, Klay is probably the least likely to want any additional attention or celebrity. His bobble head last year was of him and his dog because basically all he does is spend time in the gym shooting and spending time with his dog. KD even joked about not thinking Klay even had a phone, and everyone jokes about how low key he is. Klay isn't going anywhere.


They said that about Kevin Durant.

In my opinion, Klay seems like the type of guy that would absolutely leave to be the featured scorer of another team. What did he always used to say about Steph? "I've never been on a team where someone was a better shooter than me." He's not used to that, and he still takes every opportunity he can to "take over" games like a franchise player, right? But those opportunities are going to be fewer now - his significance is going to be reduced as another player comes in and takes one of the top two spots (which would have an impact on anybody in any workplace).

Also, in a way, Klay Thompson might even see the pursuit of Durant as an insult - that he just wasn't cutting it as a second banana. Writers were saying, "Aw, well Steph needs more of the load taken off of him." And isn't that a criticism of Steph's teammates? And who's first in that line of fire? Klay. That's gotta sting... just a bit.

So if the Warriors struggle at any point, or can't win a ring... well, it goes without saying that I think Klay leaving is certainly possible. I mean, how can anyone rule it out!? It's the NBA! :lol:


As a Warriors fan, we obviously get a lot more coverage of the guy, lots of behind the scenes interviews and segments on him. I and some friends have also seen him out and about, and he is the most chill, non attention seeking guy ever. There is no way you could compare him to KD and their mentality. KD was the man from the get go when they were in Seattle. Klay has never complained, even slightly, about his shots, and the comment about Curry was made with a laugh as he was complimenting Curry, so I think you heard the context. And in the meeting they had, Klay even joked about how many more open shots he was going to get with KD. Trust me, he's not going somewhere for the attention and to be the focal point of another team. Maybe if he isn't able to get paid enough, or is insulted with an offer, maybe he leaves. But the Warriors, especially Jerry West, love him, and they aren't going to let that happen. Plus its not like he grew up poor and needs to take care of his family, especially with a MLB playing brother. This guy is low maintenance, and I just can't see him yearning to be "the man".


Wait, wait, wait... what!? Only black players that grew up poor yearn to be "the man"? A half-white guy born into affluence wouldn't be so selfish??? Is that what you're saying!?

You can't be serious.

So, no, I'm not going to trust you. You're a Warriors fan. A Warriors fan that just went through a 73-9 season but lost a championship that they were convinced was certain. Naturally, you desire everything in the future to be perfect - as always (for any championship fanbase). In other words, you have a very heavy bias. So... no. Nobody is going to trust you.
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Post#793 » by BayArea408415 » Sat Jul 9, 2016 10:26 am

How about we actually let next season play out before jumping to ridiculous discussions about players leaving 3 years from now to "be the man" somewhere else? Also, We've watched Klay for years now and haven't seen anything to suggest he would leave to "be the man." That doesn't mean this couldn't change based on the Durant acquisition or Klay yearning for something new after his contract expires (assuming he wins some rings along the way) but let's just wait and see what actually happens.

I mean the season hasn't even started and the "what ifs" are already being thrown around as talking points ?
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Re: KD to GS - Pt III 

Post#794 » by Zack M » Sat Jul 9, 2016 11:04 am

Pennebaker wrote:
They said that about Kevin Durant.

In my opinion, Klay seems like the type of guy that would absolutely leave to be the featured scorer of another team. What did he always used to say about Steph? "I've never been on a team where someone was a better shooter than me." He's not used to that, and he still takes every opportunity he can to "take over" games like a franchise player, right? But those opportunities are going to be fewer now - his significance is going to be reduced as another player comes in and takes one of the top two spots (which would have an impact on anybody in any workplace).

Also, in a way, Klay Thompson might even see the pursuit of Durant as an insult - that he just wasn't cutting it as a second banana. Writers were saying, "Aw, well Steph needs more of the load taken off of him." And isn't that a criticism of Steph's teammates? And who's first in that line of fire? Klay. That's gotta sting... just a bit.

So if the Warriors struggle at any point, or can't win a ring... well, it goes without saying that I think Klay leaving is certainly possible. I mean, how can anyone rule it out!? It's the NBA! :lol:


You're right, Klay is defo arrogant and his ego must have taken a huge hit now that Durant has come to take his spot as Robin.

Warriors won't give him the max in his next contract, he'd already have a few rings by then, why not go for the big payday?
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Post#795 » by nfmos » Sat Jul 9, 2016 11:28 am

Pennebaker wrote:
nfmos wrote:
Pennebaker wrote:
They said that about Kevin Durant.

In my opinion, Klay seems like the type of guy that would absolutely leave to be the featured scorer of another team. What did he always used to say about Steph? "I've never been on a team where someone was a better shooter than me." He's not used to that, and he still takes every opportunity he can to "take over" games like a franchise player, right? But those opportunities are going to be fewer now - his significance is going to be reduced as another player comes in and takes one of the top two spots (which would have an impact on anybody in any workplace).

Also, in a way, Klay Thompson might even see the pursuit of Durant as an insult - that he just wasn't cutting it as a second banana. Writers were saying, "Aw, well Steph needs more of the load taken off of him." And isn't that a criticism of Steph's teammates? And who's first in that line of fire? Klay. That's gotta sting... just a bit.

So if the Warriors struggle at any point, or can't win a ring... well, it goes without saying that I think Klay leaving is certainly possible. I mean, how can anyone rule it out!? It's the NBA! :lol:


As a Warriors fan, we obviously get a lot more coverage of the guy, lots of behind the scenes interviews and segments on him. I and some friends have also seen him out and about, and he is the most chill, non attention seeking guy ever. There is no way you could compare him to KD and their mentality. KD was the man from the get go when they were in Seattle. Klay has never complained, even slightly, about his shots, and the comment about Curry was made with a laugh as he was complimenting Curry, so I think you heard the context. And in the meeting they had, Klay even joked about how many more open shots he was going to get with KD. Trust me, he's not going somewhere for the attention and to be the focal point of another team. Maybe if he isn't able to get paid enough, or is insulted with an offer, maybe he leaves. But the Warriors, especially Jerry West, love him, and they aren't going to let that happen. Plus its not like he grew up poor and needs to take care of his family, especially with a MLB playing brother. This guy is low maintenance, and I just can't see him yearning to be "the man".


Wait, wait, wait... what!? Only black players that grew up poor yearn to be "the man"? A half-white guy born into affluence wouldn't be so selfish??? Is that what you're saying!?

You can't be serious.

So, no, I'm not going to trust you. You're a Warriors fan. A Warriors fan that just went through a 73-9 season but lost a championship that they were convinced was certain. Naturally, you desire everything in the future to be perfect - as always (for any championship fanbase). In other words, you have a very heavy bias. So... no. Nobody is going to trust you.


It's pretty difficult to have a discussion with someone that has such horrible reading comprehension.

So tell me exactly where i said a "black player" anywhere there? To inject race into what I said is not only ignorant, it is insulting, and just flat out stupid.

Secondly, if you follow the sentences that I typed, I talked about how I could only see him leaving if it was for money, then I said the Warriors wouldn't let that happen, then I said that money might not be a big issue for him because he has grown up with money, so it is not like he is lacking for it. Do you understand that?

To conclude, I also said that he is a low maintenance guy, and he is not the type of guy that seems like he is yearning to be the man.

Now tell me where I said anything about his race. You are an idiot for even injecting that.

And you talk about my bias, what about yours? Who is your team again? You sound so butthurt in your reply, but you know what, my team is going to be better than yours this year, Klay is under contract for a few years still, and there has never be a single inkling of rumor that he is looking to go anywhere else, besides people like you trying to project your jealousy into hopes that he leaves. So I'm good regardless of what your heavy bias thinks, I just wanted to clear some misconceptions for those that actually respect the input from fans that have had a lot more exposure to Klay the player and the person.
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Re: KD to GS - Pt III 

Post#796 » by nfmos » Sat Jul 9, 2016 11:30 am

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Pennebaker wrote:
They said that about Kevin Durant.

In my opinion, Klay seems like the type of guy that would absolutely leave to be the featured scorer of another team. What did he always used to say about Steph? "I've never been on a team where someone was a better shooter than me." He's not used to that, and he still takes every opportunity he can to "take over" games like a franchise player, right? But those opportunities are going to be fewer now - his significance is going to be reduced as another player comes in and takes one of the top two spots (which would have an impact on anybody in any workplace).

Also, in a way, Klay Thompson might even see the pursuit of Durant as an insult - that he just wasn't cutting it as a second banana. Writers were saying, "Aw, well Steph needs more of the load taken off of him." And isn't that a criticism of Steph's teammates? And who's first in that line of fire? Klay. That's gotta sting... just a bit.

So if the Warriors struggle at any point, or can't win a ring... well, it goes without saying that I think Klay leaving is certainly possible. I mean, how can anyone rule it out!? It's the NBA! :lol:


You're right, Klay is defo arrogant and his ego must have taken a huge hit now that Durant has come to take his spot as Robin.

Warriors won't give him the max in his next contract, he'd already have a few rings by then, why not go for the big payday?


Can you tell me ANY evidence, rumors, or quotes that in anyway whats so ever supports that Klay resents KD coming to the Warriors, or that the team will not max him out the next contract?

Or, are you completely just guessing on this?

We both know the answer.
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Re: KD to GS - Pt III 

Post#797 » by jc23 » Sat Jul 9, 2016 11:48 am

This is a hit on KD's legacy, but he doesnt seem like a guy who cares about that anymore. At one point i feel he did want to go down as a top 10 player all time. Now its about winning rings, which is his right. But make no mistake this is seen as a soft move amongst his peers.

When you are given the special gifts that KD has you are judged differently, its always been that way. Now when you are past your prime and no longer an alpha (think malone/lakers, kg/cletics, barkley/rockets) thats a different story imo.

As far as the 16/17 warriors i feel they will show more struggle this season compared to last, they wont break 70 wins this year imo. But, they will be a much better playoff team. we all saw how they lacked the dominance in the post season that they showed during the season. This was because they were a deep team and deep teams are better suited to regular season wins opposed to playoff. And Curry and his game is more vulnerable in the more physical style of ball played in the playoffs. I think the warriors will only lose 2 or 3 games in the 2017 playoffs.
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Post#798 » by 76ciology » Sat Jul 9, 2016 11:58 am

I don't know if this has been talked about, but the problem lies with the depth of the team where it's ideal if you have a positive unit for starter and 2nd unit. Teams probably would try to stay afloat with their first unit then try to take advantage against their second unit.

And for long term, with current cap, teams would offer max money to Draymond and Klay. And I don't know if GSW will be willing to pay 4 max players.
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Re: KD to GS - Pt III 

Post#799 » by te887848 » Sat Jul 9, 2016 12:00 pm

This is a great move, a legacy-saving move by Durant. He will skyrocket in the all-time rankings list in 5 years and join guys like Kobe, Bird (pass them even) etc.

He didn't want to be viewed as one of the "inferior" superstars like Barkley, Nash and Malone, whose legacies can never be repaired due to their lack of winning. He also wasn't dumb like Barkley, deciding to join a superteam in his mid 30s and way out of his prime. People just get smarter as time passes. NBA players are no exception.
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Re: KD to GS - Pt III 

Post#800 » by NBAfan3024 » Sat Jul 9, 2016 12:16 pm

76ciology wrote:I don't know if this has been talked about, but the problem lies with the depth of the team where it's ideal if you have a positive unit for starter and 2nd unit. Teams probably would try to stay afloat with their first unit then try to take advantage against their second unit.

And for long term, with current cap, teams would offer max money to Draymond and Klay. And I don't know if GSW will be willing to pay 4 max players.

Don't need to worry about dray and klay contracts for another 3-4 years

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