Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins

[Fo-Real]

I am kind of a D Lo fan, wish the Suns had at least tried to get him. But if you had told me he would be available for a package with Wiggins coming back when the Dubs got him, I would have told you that you were crazy as hell. Maybe the Warriors see some as yet untapped potential that now two previous teams saw and decided was bull but Wiggins was thought of as a fake star and bad decision up till this trade. Either Wiggins is worth way more than I thought or D Lo is worth way less and or the bad rumors were thought to be true by the Warriors.

[Soulyss]

This the the moment that you realize that all of the "Dubs Genius" may have just been stupid damn luck.

[Warriorfan]

Its a small sample size but you can see Wiggins being efficient in Warriors system.

[jason bourne]

Wiggins!!!

ETA: I will say this. Wiggins could reach the level of DLo and become an All-Star. Maybe not a perennial one, but still an All-Star like Antawn Jameson (no Harrison Barnes please).

[InWestWeTrust]

In the few games Wiggins has played, you can tell he’ll fit right in. An early guess would be that the Dubs won this trade by a long shot. The pick next year will be the final factor.


Wayyyyyy more enjoyable to watch these games than any games DLo played as a Dub. He did not fit the system or style here.

[BongBoyKlay]

Personally I'm not optimistic as players who've come and/or gone from GS have played about the same with GS as they have with other teams.

Guys like Matt Barnes, Javale McGee and Marquese Chriss were one step from being out of the league before the Warriors salvaged those guys' careers. Barnes and McGee (still a rotation player in the league) went on to have staying power for several more seasons. A 22 year old Chriss looks like the next guy in line to have his career salvaged by a stop in GS.

Don't forget Baron Davis was basically given to the Warriors for free from New Orleans. They were done with him.

Baron and Matt Barnes predate the current regime. McGee was a limited, spot minutes big. He still is. Chriss is a min salary emergency depth guy for any team trying to win - you'll notice no one claimed him off waivers for even his current min salary deal. He's still marginal to be in the league.

The expectation that guys will come to GS and start playing much better isn't based on anything.

What was McGee's reputation before and after the Warriors? Before the Warriors, he was considered a clown that couldn't be trusted in meaningful games due to all the dumb/childish mistakes he would make. Suddenly he signs with the Warriors and he's playing important minutes for a championship team. Definitely not a coincidence that his whole mindset and focus changed when he came to the Warriors. It's because of the Warriors that another championship-caliber team, the Lakers, signed him. No competitive teams were even considering him before the Warriors turned his career around.

Also, Chriss had calls from other teams when the Warriors cut him, but he declined them because he knew that he was resigning with the Warriors. There are actual quotes from Chriss where he says the Warriors changed the way he looks at the game.

If you actually played basketball before you would know how important the culture is to the development and success of the team and its players.

[BongBoyKlay]

We said that for FIVE seasons. Keep hope alive. But Wiggins is who he is. The only person who may get the max out of him EVERY night is Pop. That's a hard maybe.
Also, just look at how he reverted back to his old self in just THREE games. That's all he could muster? 3 games?
Doesn't matter who won the trade, we got a piece that we "needed" and you guys got a talented lazy player who can't focus for a whole game, let alone a season. I am willing to bet by the end of the season, your board will turn on him.

I am willing to bet the same thing about Russell. Only time will tell. From the Warriors' perspective, we got rid of a piece that was going to make us worse next year and was already starting to cause problems for the team. Wiggins may never reach his potential, but his fit is so much better than Russell's that he is worth the risk for us.

Don't know how accurate these reports are, but a lot of the reports coming out of Golden State were negative regarding Russell:

Warriors were disappointed in him from the time he came in because they wanted him to come into training camp in better shape so he would be better suited to play in the motion offense, but he wasn't in shape. He claims that he doesn't do that in the offseason because he doesn't want to risk injury, but increasing your stamina actually helps prevents you from injuries.

Draymond gave up on trying to get him to play defense after about two weeks so that just wasn't going to work for the Warriors next season. Russell had no interest in putting in effort on defense.

Russell wasn't as accepting of changing his playstyle as he made it seems to the media. He would get angry and push back at the coaching staff when they would try to make him play less iso ball and more off-ball. Also, when Russell was out the Warriors offense looked a lot better because they were able to run their motion offense without the ball stopping in Russell's hands.

I didn't really want DLo, but wanted to get rid of Wiggins more. Pretty much seem like we both exchanged turds, except your turd comes with a sprinkle on top. (Draft pick.)
Willing to bet Dray gives up on trying to teach Wiggins D. We both got fit, ours still has the will to play, Wiggins doesn't. He is durable, that about the only thing positive I can think of.

Russell tries less on defense than Wiggins does, but at least Wiggins has the athleticism to make up for his lack of effort sometimes.

Look at how fed up Draymond already was with Russell's D. Wiggins can't be any worse than this. Russell has the will to play on offense if the ball is in his hands but on D he showed zero effort pretty much the whole season. You will soon see how bad Russell is defensively. Maybe is offense makes up for it, but that defense won't work at all in the playoffs.

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[Domejandro]

Given that Andrew starts off every year amazingly, I would really, really encourage tempering excitement.

[giberish]

Given that Andrew starts off every year amazingly, I would really, really encourage tempering excitement.

I imagine you've seen plenty of 'Wiggins just had a good game, that means that he's a good player now' delusional posts in your time.

[InWestWeTrust]

Given that Andrew starts off every year amazingly, I would really, really encourage tempering excitement.

I believe Golden States expectations will be drastically lower than Minny’s expectations.

Wiggins will have a lot less pressure to carry the load and sustain it here.

[Quentin]

We're talking about two incredible underachievers here. Let's just expect them both to be who they were? It's about how they underachieve in their new system. Maybe they both fit better so both teams end up better. ?

[Lalouie]

first, i'm not a wiggins nor dlo fan.
i've been listening to some pods and i was surprised that no one considered that wiggins might be better on a GOOD team, or ie that bad teams tend to bring down performance. they were all high on dlo because kat would be happy,,,is what i heard most often.

the thing that always struck me about gsw was that the role players played great, which is what wiggins would be. wiggins on gsw would be the 4th or 5th player on that team

[AleksandarN]

This the the moment that you realize that all of the "Dubs Genius" may have just been stupid damn luck.

Or maybe the "Dubs Genius" left to LA. Jerry West helped build that team have people forgotten

[trending]

wiggins will be alright. minny not so sure.

[Lalouie]

This the the moment that you realize that all of the "Dubs Genius" may have just been stupid damn luck.

Or maybe the "Dubs Genius" left to LA. Jerry West helped build that team have people forgotten

both true. but all you need is "perception" and a guy who can work with the numbers. the perception of gsw is that they're a top notch org and not "lucky that they had west". and when the good talent wants to play for you then all you need is a guy who can work the salaries.

[spikeslovechild]

Its a small sample size but you can see Wiggins being efficient in Warriors system.

Yeah I'll take 6 seasons and 445 games shooting .521 (true shooting percentage) worth of data and value it over 4 games with the warriors.

He had talent in Minnesota hell a heck of alot more then the dubs do right now. He was never efficient.

[Domejandro]

Given that Andrew starts off every year amazingly, I would really, really encourage tempering excitement.

I imagine you've seen plenty of 'Wiggins just had a good game, that means that he's a good player now' delusional posts in your time.

Of course I have.... I’ve made them.

[SpreeS]

Its a small sample size but you can see Wiggins being efficient in Warriors system.

Yeah I'll take 6 seasons and 445 games shooting .521 (true shooting percentage) worth of data and value it over 4 games with the warriors.

He had talent in Minnesota hell a heck of alot more then the dubs do right now. He was never efficient.

It isnt about talent, it is all about the system.

Burks
GR3
D-Lo
Chriss
Jerebko
Cook
Iggy
Livington
Zaza
West
Mcgee
KD

All these have the highest TS% with GSW

[Mylie10]

I am kind of a D Lo fan, wish the Suns had at least tried to get him. But if you had told me he would be available for a package with Wiggins coming back when the Dubs got him, I would have told you that you were crazy as hell. Maybe the Warriors see some as yet untapped potential that now two previous teams saw and decided was bull but Wiggins was thought of as a fake star and bad decision up till this trade. Either Wiggins is worth way more than I thought or D Lo is worth way less and or the bad rumors were thought to be true by the Warriors.

Wasn't a straight up trade though. The Minny pick for 2021 is the actual prize

[Mylie10]

One thing I'm pretty sure of with Wiggins is that he's a flow player. He needs to be moving on both offense and defense.

The Warriors use a ball and player movement style on offense that will allow Wiggins lanes and space. Especially when Steph and Klay are on the floor. Wiggins won't have the type of pressure to score that he's had his whole career.

On defense he will need to buy in to the team defense they run. He has to be able to switch and rotate properly or Draymond will be all over him.

So to me, as long as the game is sped up, and they are moving it, he'll be fine. But if they ask him to go stand in a corner, then I doubt it'll work.