2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt. 1)

[GSP]

Horrible loss for Jokic and Denver. No bigs or Ingles for Utah. They started some random big no one heard of no Rudy or Whiteside. Nikola got too used to sonning Rudy that he forgot how to play Utah when hes not there. Utah might consider Gay at the 5 against Denver even when Rudy is healthy since Rudy gets his **** pushed in so much. Jokic is playing great enough where you HAVE to put his name in Mvp convo but theres a miniscule chance of him actually winning barring some insane development like Murray returning next week

I mean he did put up 26/21/11...

He was fantastic but Rudy G--ay not Rudy Gobert killed them at the 5. Cant deny Jokic individual greatness but Denver is just not gonna be good enough as a team for him to have a shot unless Murray gets back like....right now

[eyeatoma]

Steph Curry is struggling right now, but I won't be surprised if he's still the MVP front runner because he keeps getting let off the hook.

Giannis just missed another game, that's 9 already. He certainly has a stronger MVP case, but how many games can he miss and still win the award? Availability has been one of the factors in the past. The Nuggets are so bad, that they're going to be lucky to get into a play-in at this point which eliminates Jokic from contention. Embiid missed too many games and will likely miss more as well. LeBron missed games plus the Lakers are bad.

So you take into consideration that Steph has been available (only missed 3 games), his team has the best record in the West and his numbers, while not the best, are still solid, he ends up being the front runner by default.

How has Embiid missed too many games? All of the top candidates have missed time to covid. Embiid only missed 2 more games with an actual injury. I'm sorry but we can't be seriously docking Embiid for games missed for Covid now. Seriously this narrative is propagated by posts like this. Jokic will eventually get Covid as well, so will Curry. It's going to hit everyone in the league. And then there will only be a couple of games difference between all the players.

[timO]

Its and Anteto-KD fight

curry is out right now with a per of 21 or similar

Jokic-Embiid and LEbron need better team records.

[Bobbcats]

Horrible loss for Jokic and Denver. No bigs or Ingles for Utah. They started some random big no one heard of no Rudy or Whiteside. Nikola got too used to sonning Rudy that he forgot how to play Utah when hes not there. Utah might consider Gay at the 5 against Denver even when Rudy is healthy since Rudy gets his **** pushed in so much. Jokic is playing great enough where you HAVE to put his name in Mvp convo but theres a miniscule chance of him actually winning barring some insane development like Murray returning next week

I mean he did put up 26/21/11...

Not enough gravity though. Curry would definitely have won that game even if you knock off the front digit from each of those numbers because he sucks all the defenders away from his teammates.

[GeorgeSears]

Steph Curry is struggling right now, but I won't be surprised if he's still the MVP front runner because he keeps getting let off the hook.

Giannis just missed another game, that's 9 already. He certainly has a stronger MVP case, but how many games can he miss and still win the award? Availability has been one of the factors in the past. The Nuggets are so bad, that they're going to be lucky to get into a play-in at this point which eliminates Jokic from contention. Embiid missed too many games and will likely miss more as well. LeBron missed games plus the Lakers are bad.

So you take into consideration that Steph has been available (only missed 3 games), his team has the best record in the West and his numbers, while not the best, are still solid, he ends up being the front runner by default.

How has Embiid missed too many games? All of the top candidates have missed time to covid. Embiid only missed 2 more games with an actual injury. I'm sorry but we can't be seriously docking Embiid for games missed for Covid now. Seriously this narrative is propagated by posts like this. Jokic will eventually get Covid as well, so will Curry. It's going to hit everyone in the league. And then there will only be a couple of games difference between all the players.

Until those players miss those games, this how it's going to be decided. Also, based on Embiid's history he's going to miss a lot more due to "load management" or just general knick knack injuries that he seems to get. We'll wait and see if that happens. If not, credit to him. But you have to wait and see.

[cupcakesnake]

Its and Anteto-KD fight

curry is out right now with a per of 21 or similar

Jokic-Embiid and LEbron need better team records.

This is probably accurate at the moment.

I didn't realize quite how bad Steph's cold spell had gotten until watching last night and then checking the numbers. Brutal start to 2022, and he hasn't been putting up MVP numbers since November.

[Big J]

Its and Anteto-KD fight

curry is out right now with a per of 21 or similar

Jokic-Embiid and LEbron need better team records.

This is probably accurate at the moment.

I didn't realize quite how bad Steph's cold spell had gotten until watching last night and then checking the numbers. Brutal start to 2022, and he hasn't been putting up MVP numbers since November.

Curry's still the frontrunner. His team still has the best record in the league despite missing a HOFer and a number 2 pick. The guys' impact has never been able to be measured using stats.

[timO]

Its and Anteto-KD fight

curry is out right now with a per of 21 or similar

Jokic-Embiid and LEbron need better team records.

This is probably accurate at the moment.

I didn't realize quite how bad Steph's cold spell had gotten until watching last night and then checking the numbers. Brutal start to 2022, and he hasn't been putting up MVP numbers since November.

Curry's still the frontrunner. His team still has the best record in the league despite missing a HOFer and a number 2 pick. The guys' impact has never been able to be measured using stats.

his team is not the best record, is TIED for the best record

[eyeatoma]

At this point we need a whole new poll. Curry is no longer the favorite for the MVP. CP3 and Jimmy don't have much of a shot either. Enough people aren't going to change their vote for it to accurately represent what everyone truly feels.

[Cubbies2120]

At this point we need a whole new poll. Curry is no longer the favorite for the MVP. CP3 and Jimmy don't have much of a shot either. Enough people aren't going to change their vote for it to accurately represent what everyone truly feels.

Curry is still the favorite with betting odds, and those are pretty accurate when it comes to MVP.

We have seen some changes there in the last couple weeks, though, with Giannis going from +1000 to +750, and LeBron from +6000 to +4000. Derozan also went from like +8000 to +2800 and is now the 5th favorite.

Curry (+120) and KD (+250) have been the top two for the last ~ month, though some of that may be due to people betting Curry will recover his touch when it matters most (towards end of season). I think for an MVP conversation it's way better to have a scorching hot last 20 games, rather than a scorching hot first 20 games.

[Ballerhogger]

Jokic lost to the jazz didn’t really gain any traction at all

[Ballerhogger]

You could say Giannis right now if were to end today

[Ballerhogger]

Its and Anteto-KD fight

curry is out right now with a per of 21 or similar

Jokic-Embiid and LEbron need better team records.

This is probably accurate at the moment.

I didn't realize quite how bad Steph's cold spell had gotten until watching last night and then checking the numbers. Brutal start to 2022, and he hasn't been putting up MVP numbers since November.

Curry's still the frontrunner. His team still has the best record in the league despite missing a HOFer and a number 2 pick. The guys' impact has never been able to be measured using stats.

He’s had dreadful month. He’s not the front runner

[hisairness]

The poll will never reflect what the race should look like because a large number of Curry fanboys will never overcome their bias. I think only two people that voted for Curry changed their vote so far and he had extra 5 votes the night he went 3-17. These people truly think Curry sitting on the floor scratching his nuts is more impactful than Giannis 40pts-20reb or Jokic dropping 30-20-10 game or Durant scoring 40-50 on great efficiency. It's almost cult like.

[Big J]

This is probably accurate at the moment.

I didn't realize quite how bad Steph's cold spell had gotten until watching last night and then checking the numbers. Brutal start to 2022, and he hasn't been putting up MVP numbers since November.

Curry's still the frontrunner. His team still has the best record in the league despite missing a HOFer and a number 2 pick. The guys' impact has never been able to be measured using stats.

He’s had dreadful month. He’s not the front runner

He has beaten down all of the top teams head to head this month. That matters in the MVP race.

[scrabbarista]

Curry has dropped to 5th on bbref's MVP Tracker. How low can he go? As of right now, this is like the sixth or seventh best statistical season he's ever had - and we're talking about a guy who's only been to seven All-Star games!

If I had a vote, I'd have to decide between Antetokounmpo and Jokic as of today. But it's still a close enough race where a handful of guys could end up being the clear leader by season's end.

[GeorgeSears]

The poll will never reflect what the race should look like because a large number of Curry fanboys will never overcome their bias. I think only two people that voted for Curry changed their vote so far and he had extra 5 votes the night he went 3-17. These people truly think Curry sitting on the floor scratching his nuts is more impactful than Giannis 40pts-20reb or Jokic dropping 30-20-10 game or Durant scoring 40-50 on great efficiency. It's almost cult like.

It could just be that people voted for Curry early on, when he was the leader, and just either forgot to change their votes or didn't bother to change their votes.

[eyeatoma]

The poll will never reflect what the race should look like because a large number of Curry fanboys will never overcome their bias. I think only two people that voted for Curry changed their vote so far and he had extra 5 votes the night he went 3-17. These people truly think Curry sitting on the floor scratching his nuts is more impactful than Giannis 40pts-20reb or Jokic dropping 30-20-10 game or Durant scoring 40-50 on great efficiency. It's almost cult like.

I mean, doing multiple votes over the course of the season will get the most accurate representation of what the board thinks. It's not that hard lol. There are plenty of fanboys of other players as well I wouldn't say it would skew it that much.

[BoatsNZones]

Its and Anteto-KD fight

curry is out right now with a per of 21 or similar

Jokic-Embiid and LEbron need better team records.

This is probably accurate at the moment.

I didn't realize quite how bad Steph's cold spell had gotten until watching last night and then checking the numbers. Brutal start to 2022, and he hasn't been putting up MVP numbers since November.

He's certainly in a shooting slump, but he's far from "out" (PER? Really guys?), and still the Vegas favorite for a reason. He also still rates fantastic in BPM/VORP/RAPTOR/EPM (6th/3rd/2nd/2nd); clearly MVP level even without the fact that he's by far the best player on a top 2 team in the NBA that was projected as the West 6 seed.

If his shooting slump continues he would eventually fall out, but he built enough of a gap that he's still the lean favorite. And generally it's post ASB that Curry starts to really get into form. We shall see.

[SeniorWalker]

I don't think there's a clear frontrunner atm.

Race is wide open. I didn't think Steph would stink this bad for this long, otherwise he'd still be the favorite.

If the season ended today I honestly don't know who'd win it. Maybe still Steph but not by much.