Nikola Jokic wins MVP(again)

[bb22]

Don’t agree with this one, as I didn’t last year.
Yes, his numbers are stupid good. Yes he’s an incredible offensive talent… But his team was nowhere near successful enough for him to be in consideration imo.

The issue is that I can see Denver being 1st or 2nd in the league if/when Jamal and MPJ come back at full strength and continue to develop. That could even be next season. Jokic should still be averaging close to a triple double, but he won’t win MVP. Just like Giannis deserved it last year, Lebron the year before, etc.

[dribble1614]

well deserved. next comes the eventual finals mvp if his team can ever get fully healthy.

[CobraCommander]

Surprise !

The best player in the solar system won the MVP!

[Rainwater]

What Steph did with his two MVPS were far more revolutionary than what Jokic is doing. Steph's MVPs also resulted in a championship for one of those seasons. Far better than what Jokic was ever able to do.

I only got up to page 11 with your rubbish. Did you notice how literally no one likes your posts? Maybe take that as a hint.

Oh no, I'm so sad, none of the Jokic stans like my post. Lol, it's the internet, I don't lose sleep over a lack of approval from the spreadsheet MVPs fanboys.

It's more like Philly fans vs the NBA world. Most MVP voters have spoken, the Vast majority on realgm posters agree. It just seems like Philly fans who won't give this up at this point.

[Roger Murdock]

Don’t agree with this one, as I didn’t last year.
Yes, his numbers are stupid good. Yes he’s an incredible offensive talent… But his team was nowhere near successful enough for him to be in consideration imo.

The issue is that I can see Denver being 1st or 2nd in the league if/when Jamal and MPJ come back at full strength and continue to develop. That could even be next season. Jokic should still be averaging close to a triple double, but he won’t win MVP. Just like Giannis deserved it last year, Lebron the year before, etc.

There was no good candidate last year besides Jokic

Nuggets were a 3 seed and had a good record and Jokic was either the best or second best player during the season with Curry

Giannis was a 3-seed, missed 10 more games, and everyone disrespected him as a regular season player and fraud from two mvp seasons with HCA and failing to advance to the finals

Embiid had the team record but missed 20 games and played at a lower level than Curry and Jokic

Curry was one of the two best players but team record sucked.

I think any argument outside Curry and Jokic would have been crazy last year. Jokic won over 90% of first place votes for reference. there were no contenders besides him.

[eyeatoma]

Took me 2 minutes

What do you think all that actually told you?

That I'm right.

[Roger Murdock]

Lots of people saying MVP should include post season play. I don’t understand how that’s a pro Embiid argument as Jokic has always shined brighter in the playoffs. Anyhow.. If that’s the case here’s the retroactive list:

2021 Giannis
2020 LeBron
2019 Kawhi
2018 LeBron
2017 LeBron
2016 LeBron or Curry
2015 Curry
2014 LeBron
2013 LeBron
2012 LeBron
2011 Dirk
2010 Kobe
2009 LeBron
2008 Kobe
2007 LeBron
2006 Dirk
2005 Duncan or Shaq
2004 Garnett?
2003 Duncan
2002 Shaq
2001 Shaq
2000 Shaq
1999 Duncan

[eyeatoma]

I only got up to page 11 with your rubbish. Did you notice how literally no one likes your posts? Maybe take that as a hint.

Oh no, I'm so sad, none of the Jokic stans like my post. Lol, it's the internet, I don't lose sleep over a lack of approval from the spreadsheet MVPs fanboys.

It's more like Philly fan vs the NBA world. Most MVP voters have spoken, the Vast majority on realgm posters agree. It just seems like Philly fans who won't give this up at this point.

As I said the majority of the NBA media that voted for him are pro advanced stats. So by NBA world, you're just saying advanced stats nerds.

The actual NBA players on the other hand is a whole other story.

[AussieCeltic]

Oh no, I'm so sad, none of the Jokic stans like my post. Lol, it's the internet, I don't lose sleep over a lack of approval from the spreadsheet MVPs fanboys.

It's more like Philly fan vs the NBA world. Most MVP voters have spoken, the Vast majority on realgm posters agree. It just seems like Philly fans who won't give this up at this point.

As I said the majority of the NBA media that voted for him are pro advanced stats. So by NBA world, you're just saying advanced stats nerds.

The actual NBA players on the other hand is a whole other story.

Is it that you’re not smart enough to understand the advanced stuff? If you want us to explain it to you in layman’s terms we can. It’s a safe space here, let us know and we can expand your knowledge

[Sharkboy242]

The funny thing about eyetoma is that he eventually came around to accepting Jokic would be MVP after about 80% of the season.

Didn't expect this kind of denial from the guy to be honest. Must be a tough day for him.

[bigbreakfast]

i think embiid had (is having) a great year and is certainly worthy of all the mvp talk... i just happen to think jokic deserves it more.

why is there a large contingent who think embiid deserves it more but can't admit that jokic too can be deserving and resort to all sorts of silly arguments to minimize his accomplishments?

frankly i don't see how anyone that enjoys basketball can watch jokic play and not enjoy it. and i'm not gonna lie, seeing all the jokic haters seething makes the fact that he won a lil more enjoyable.

[RRFB]

Let me see:
- Jokic has better advanced numbers: "but they suck and are for nerds"
- Jokic has better raw numbers: *silence*
- Jokic had more wins: "but Embiid had a better seed"
- Jokic has had more playoff success: "but Embiid is currently in round 2"
- Jokic was missing the 2nd and 3rd best player on his team: "Simmons was missing for half the season"

What is the argument for Embiid from Embiid supporters? That your eye test tells you he's the better player? If so, the majority of us will tell you our eye test tells us Giannis is better than both of them. What argument do you have for Embiid as the unanimous MVP you somehow believe he deserves over Jokic and Giannis?

There’s only one honest argument for Embiid:
“The other guys have already won one, it’s Embiid’s turn”

I’ve seen a few people desperate enough to actually say this out loud (including one earlier in this thread). Everyone else lobbying for Embiid just keeps parroting the same easily debunked arguments above.

[Pablo Escobar]

Oh no, I'm so sad, none of the Jokic stans like my post. Lol, it's the internet, I don't lose sleep over a lack of approval from the spreadsheet MVPs fanboys.

It's more like Philly fan vs the NBA world. Most MVP voters have spoken, the Vast majority on realgm posters agree. It just seems like Philly fans who won't give this up at this point.

As I said the majority of the NBA media that voted for him are pro advanced stats. So by NBA world, you're just saying advanced stats nerds.

The actual NBA players on the other hand is a whole other story.

It's alright bro. Your boy is the 2nd best center in the league. Nothing wrong with it. He just happens to play in the same era as goatkic.

[Sharkboy242]

It's more like Philly fan vs the NBA world. Most MVP voters have spoken, the Vast majority on realgm posters agree. It just seems like Philly fans who won't give this up at this point.

As I said the majority of the NBA media that voted for him are pro advanced stats. So by NBA world, you're just saying advanced stats nerds.

The actual NBA players on the other hand is a whole other story.

It's alright bro. Your boy is the 2nd best center in the league. Nothing wrong with it. He just happens to play in the same era as goatkic.

[The Box Office]

Congrats to Nikola Jokic on his 2nd consecutive league MVP.

[Dupp]

Lol Another 1st round exit MVP, congrats but they need to start giving this award to players that actually win.

[gorz]

i think embiid had (is having) a great year and is certainly worthy of all the mvp talk... i just happen to think jokic deserves it more.

why is there a large contingent who think embiid deserves it more but can't admit that jokic too can be deserving and resort to all sorts of silly arguments to minimize his accomplishments?

frankly i don't see how anyone that enjoys basketball can watch jokic play and not enjoy it. and i'm not gonna lie, seeing all the jokic haters seething makes the fact that he won a lil more enjoyable.

I think most ppl acknowledge jokic is deserving just not the most deserving. As someone already pointed out jokic can possibly have his team #1 or #2 next year with fully healthy murray and post similar stats or better and be in the running for mvp again next year. Which is why it is was wrong the media voters badly snubbed Embiid bc as good as jokic played this season his team record was so low to warrant receiving tge mvp when the following year jokic team could have much better record and posts similar stats as he did this year.the return of murray and mpj is not going to reduce his stats across the board or usage. In other words the bar was set low for jokic to win mvp this season that he could easily surpass that next year and win it again. That being said I don't believe the nuggets will get top seed but even if they did jokic will not win it next season if it that were to occur due to voter fatigue similar to giannis or lebron situation and they will push tge embiid snubbed mvp narrative next season. Embiid is still the superior player even if he has no mvp. Just like Nash wasn't better than Dirk despite having 1 more hardware.

[ForeverTFC]

i think embiid had (is having) a great year and is certainly worthy of all the mvp talk... i just happen to think jokic deserves it more.

why is there a large contingent who think embiid deserves it more but can't admit that jokic too can be deserving and resort to all sorts of silly arguments to minimize his accomplishments?

frankly i don't see how anyone that enjoys basketball can watch jokic play and not enjoy it. and i'm not gonna lie, seeing all the jokic haters seething makes the fact that he won a lil more enjoyable.

I think most ppl acknowledge jokic is deserving just not the most deserving. As someone already pointed out jokic can possibly have his team #1 or #2 next year with fully healthy murray and post similar stats or better and be in the running for mvp again next year. Which is why it is was wrong the media voters badly snubbed Embiid bc as good as jokic played this season his team record was so low to warrant receiving tge mvp when the following year jokic team could have much better record and posts similar stats as he did this year.the return of murray and mpj is not going to reduce his stats across the board or usage. In other words the bar was set low for jokic to win mvp this season that he could easily surpass that next year and win it again. That being said I don't believe the nuggets will get top seed but even if they did jokic will not win it next season if it that were to occur due to voter fatigue similar to giannis or lebron situation and they will push tge embiid snubbed mvp narrative next season. Embiid is still the superior player even if he has no mvp. Just like Nash wasn't better than Dirk despite having 1 more hardware.

For the last time:
- Jokic won more games than Embiid this year in games played
- The Sixers and Nuggets were separated by 3 team wins

There is simply no "wins" argument for Embiid to be had in this conversation. Are you arguing that Jokic can win more but Embiid can't therefore we should give it to Embiid? What is this, charity?

[art_tatum]

Decent pick. Wouldn’t have been mad between him or embiid or even Giannis
Good thing I didn’t put money on curry when the season started. He was the given the tanked and got injured.

[Yuri Vaultin]

Some posters here care more that their player didn't win than Jokic cares about winning it.

Get a life people.