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tsherkin wrote:I'm not saying Vesely is exactly the same, but what position you play in Europe as a shooting big is irrelevant. They can get away with playing him at SF there, but not in the NBA. Vesely, athleticism or no, will not be effective there as a consistent primary role.
Mosca wrote:He looks good guarding euro's on the perimeter sure, now imagine him trying to stay in front of Durant or James or Melo, along with having to fight through picks from guys twice his size. I'm not really sure if he's a capable SF in the NBA. Great athlete for his size, but his lateral quickness isn't exactly on the same level as those guys i just mentioned. Besides, his jumper isn't even close to be consistent enough for him to be considered a full time 3 in the NBA. His ball handling too, isn't good enough for him to play on the perimeter.
I think his best bet is to try and get as big as he possibly can without it effecting his athleticism and try his hand at the PF. He's a nightmare matchup for any other 4 with his overall length, athleticism and ability to run the court like a deer. What you call limited offensively, i call raw. He'll almost certainly improve his jumpshot, along with his face-up post game. And from everything i've heard about him as a person and a competitor so far, he has a great work ethic, very coachable kid and just a good head on his shoulders.
7-Day Dray wrote:I think the Wizards will try to devlop him at SF, because they're best SF currently is Rashard Lewis. They need a SF-of-the-future to develop
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract
Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
dangermouse wrote:7-Day Dray wrote:I think the Wizards will try to devlop him at SF, because they're best SF currently is Rashard Lewis. They need a SF-of-the-future to develop
Singleton?
BH8 wrote:ManualRam wrote:right now, he's neither a good ball-handler (no, he's not decent) nor is he a good shooter. what purpose would he serve playing on the perimeter? catching the ball and moving it?
given his lack of ball skills, he'd best be utilized on the offensive end as a garbage man. someone who'll make off the ball cuts, occasional pick n roll, alley oops, dump offs and crashing the glass. if he improves his shooting to the point where he's a legit deep threat, THEN he can move his game out there.
also, he's ~6'11 240. he's closer to PF size than he is a SF's size. his length and jumping ability would be wasted on the perimeter defensively.
He's a decent shooter and he can be a good shooter eventually. He has the lateral quickness to defend the perimeter.
The guy never played PF in Europe. Trying to play him at PF is guaranteeing he will be a bust IMO. Best option is to allow him to develop as a SG/SF.
a3r0d wrote:I watched him play in person and i think you are crazy if you think he is the best athlete at 6`11 ... He is athletic but... more athletic than prime KG, David Robinson, SHAQ, Dwight, Wilt ? haha ? Also there is this guy who is 6`10 who won the past rookie of the year award...and he is also more athletic than him.
tsherkin wrote:That's an indictment, not praise. Bargnani played SF in Europe too, and he's effing useless as both a SF AND as a PF because he's too slow to be a SF and too horrible defensively at either spot. He's a tall dude who is a horrible rebounder and defender who can stick set jumpers and be the pop in the pick and pop. And he sets crappy screens.
jinxed wrote:
In what ways are David Robinson and KG more athletic?
Jump higher? Nope...
Faster? Nope...
More agile...Nope.....
More coordinated..Nope...
Quicker?..Nope... Can Drob guard perimeter players all game long like Vesely can? Nah...neither can KG...
Stronger...yea Drob for sure..KG? Maybe now....
Stamina...Nope..I'd give Vesely running around on the perimeter the edge...
There is a fine line between trying to make a case for a player and then trying to get reactions out of people ...jinxed wrote:a3r0d wrote:I watched him play in person and i think you are crazy if you think he is the best athlete at 6`11 ... He is athletic but... more athletic than prime KG, David Robinson, SHAQ, Dwight, Wilt ? haha ? Also there is this guy who is 6`10 who won the past rookie of the year award...and he is also more athletic than him.
In what ways are David Robinson and KG more athletic?
Jump higher? Nope...
Faster? Nope...
More agile...Nope.....
More coordinated..Nope...
Quicker?..Nope... Can Drob guard perimeter players all game long like Vesely can? Nah...neither can KG...
Stronger...yea Drob for sure..KG? Maybe now....
Stamina...Nope..I'd give Vesely running around on the perimeter the edge...
ShabazzMuhammad wrote:There is a fine line between trying to make a case for a player and then trying to get reactions out of people ...jinxed wrote:a3r0d wrote:I watched him play in person and i think you are crazy if you think he is the best athlete at 6`11 ... He is athletic but... more athletic than prime KG, David Robinson, SHAQ, Dwight, Wilt ? haha ? Also there is this guy who is 6`10 who won the past rookie of the year award...and he is also more athletic than him.
In what ways are David Robinson and KG more athletic?
Jump higher? Nope...
Faster? Nope...
More agile...Nope.....
More coordinated..Nope...
Quicker?..Nope... Can Drob guard perimeter players all game long like Vesely can? Nah...neither can KG...
Stronger...yea Drob for sure..KG? Maybe now....
Stamina...Nope..I'd give Vesely running around on the perimeter the edge...
This thread reminds of posters who used to say Brandon Jennings would be a better point guard than Isiah Thomas, Walt Frazier etc.
but at least they had NBA GAMES to go off of ...
UcanUwill wrote:Well, excuse me, but I agree with jinxed... I dont understand whats so wrong about his statement?
Jan's body looks a lot like Garnett's, but Jan is sure runs faster an jumps higher... KG is smoother no doubt, but thats about it, Jan sure is a better athlete...
Thats why he was drafted so high... He is not skilled, but he is anomaly, 6'11 who can run and jump like that, hes once in a lifetime original...
But thats his problem again. He is just a material, extremely raw bb player in the making...