WT: Jazz Shopping Jefferson, Millsap

[Mattya]

Big Al is a great guy, very likable person. Like I said, his post moves are awesome, he just isn't that good though. I'm a fan, I'm just open to seeing his weaknesses. If he ever learned how to get contact in the post he would probably be a 26 or 27 ppg scorer as a focal point. Learning to draw fouls doesn't happen too often though.

[Amish Mafioso]

Not to mention they could get him for cheap.

Good idea. Don't mention it.

[Mattya]

I don't think the Jazz are going to even get the same value they traded for him. He is another year older, and had major surgery on his knee. If you trade him he will probably not get you cap relief, he might get you a late first or early second and some ok players to match contracts. If you amnesty him, and the teams under the cap bid for him, the amount you have to pay him becomes less. I would guess teams would bid pretty high for him. As a team that would be rebuilding having that extra cap spaces helps in trades, especially within the next couple years when teams will have to make trades to stay under the harsher tax system.

[nofours]

OKC needs to get Al Jeff, it would be a good pick-up but it won't hppen

This. Al Jefferson is exactly the type of player the Thunder need. Their defensive bigs would cover his short comings. Not to mention they could get him for cheap. A core of Durant,Harden, Westbrook, Jefferson, Ibaka and Perkins for the next 4-5 years would be amazing. You could fill rest of the roster with minimum salaries and draft picks and they wouldn't miss a beat.

Sorry, but OKC is not getting Jefferson without giving up at least one of those core guys.

What exactly did the Jazz give up to get Al Jefferson? There's your answer. The only core guy that OKC should give up for Jefferson is Perkins and Jazz would have no interest in him. I think you'll be surprised when you see how little he gets traded for.

[Rondo2Hondo]

Kareem is a career 0.59%TS scorer, peaked at, what, 0.63%? Big Al is a career 0.53%TS scorer. Of course it's perfectly legit to criticize Big Al's scoring efficiency, because it's simply not there. There is no dumbness here. Al is a very good low-post scorer, and that's it. He's not a good scorer overall. You don't want him to be your first option, and you don't want to build any offense around him. Well, if you wanna win games, that is, but i guess we agree on that. I also agree he can make a difference for somebody, but it's gotta be a special situation... Like an elite defensive team, with elite 3 point shooters, without any kind of low, or even mid post threat. But are there any team like that out there? I don't think so.

Our Celtics. I like the idea of a Harris, Jefferson, Hasyward for Rondo, O'Neal, Clippers Pick

[dano81]

Denver, Boston, Clippers, Sacramento, maybe Indiana. Those are the teams to trade with, and the Jazz aren't getting any immediate talent in trades with those teams. These are average PFs and undersized Cs that we're talking about. Essentially, both are overpriced role players, not even close to All Star level, going forward.

[Mattya]

Maybe try Houston, Mchale loves Big Al.

[#1 pick]

Millsap has a market. Jefferson is just too expensive.

[#1 pick]

Jefferson is not like ZBo. Zbo likes contact in the post and can shoot the ball. As a Wolves fan and a fan of Big Al, he isn't efficient on offense and was an awful defensive player. He has amazing footwork but its so good that he often loses the two to three guys that guarded him but then he doesn't initiate contact for fouls. For being a good free throw shooter it really sucks that he can't get to the line more. He has gotten some bad habits over the years. He shoots too many mid range shots, and takes hook shots to far out of the post sometimes. He can't pass at all, which hurts since he draws extra attention. His defense is just flat out bad. Very low recognition of defensive switches. His post game sure is pretty to watch though. He just doesn't get you a lot of wins. He would be a pretty good 3rd option for OKC, since those guys draw so many fouls. I don't know their cap situation, but I would trade Milsap, I think he has more value, then they should amnesty Big Al. Let teams bid for him, and take some of the burden of his contract off the Jazz. Thats how i would go into full rebuild mode with the Jazz. Give all the minutes to Favors and Kanter and get lots of cap space.

Jefferson would be a lot better next to a true center and an offense that tailored to him like Memphis for Z-Bo. But it's easier said than done. As of now, not too many teams need Jefferson at that price.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

What exactly did the Jazz give up to get Al Jefferson? There's your answer. The only core guy that OKC should give up for Jefferson is Perkins and Jazz would have no interest in him. I think you'll be surprised when you see how little he gets traded for.

Doesn't matter what we gave up for him, that was over a year ago. That's his price tag, you don't like it? Fine by us. We're perfectly happy to hold onto him.

[Archerbro]

Let's say the Raptors don't get a C

Bayless, Barbosa for Jefferson? Toronto gets a guy who at least moves Andrea to the 4, Jonas is a year away anyway so it's not a terrible deal in blocking his development and this gives the Jazz a decent backup at the 1 and gives them some cap space for next year.

I don't think Utah does that though.

[#1 pick]

What exactly did the Jazz give up to get Al Jefferson? There's your answer. The only core guy that OKC should give up for Jefferson is Perkins and Jazz would have no interest in him. I think you'll be surprised when you see how little he gets traded for.

Doesn't matter what we gave up for him, that was over a year ago. That's his price tag, you don't like it? Fine by us. We're perfectly happy to hold onto him.

He's worth so much less I doubt the Jazz would trade him. Millsap has a market but what does Utah need outside of a superstar?

[tsherkin]

[quote="JazzD15"

Kinda like Z-Bo was until Memphis? I think LApwnd is right. I think they are similar and he needs the right situation. I wonder what will happen.

Man FA period is going to be exciting.[/quote]

A little, but Z-Bo has typically been better than Al at scoring efficiency, offensive rebounding and passing. Not a lot, but a little, and he had a monster season this year unlike anything Al's ever done. I'm sure there is a situation for Al somewhere, but he will probably have to adapt to a different role, because he's not quite at the level of first option. He rebounds well, so I mean someone can always use him, and if you need an iso post bucket, he can do that but the point of post offense is efficiency and ball movement, not areas of strength for him.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

I don't see Toronto having interest in Jefferson. They're better off letting their young kids play, lose a bunch of games and get another high pick in next years draft. I think they're high on Solomon Alabi now that he's healthy. This gives them a year to see how he plays before Jonas comes over.

[tsherkin]

Alabi isn't anything and Jefferson is a mediocre defender, so I want no part of him while Barg-useless is still on our roster. We have enough defensive issues.

[StocktonShorts]

As a Wolves fan and a fan of Big Al, he isn't efficient on offense and was an awful defensive player. He has amazing footwork but its so good that he often loses the two to three guys that guarded him but then he doesn't initiate contact for fouls. For being a good free throw shooter it really sucks that he can't get to the line more. He has gotten some bad habits over the years. He shoots too many mid range shots, and takes hook shots to far out of the post sometimes. He can't pass at all, which hurts since he draws extra attention. His defense is just flat out bad. Very low recognition of defensive switches. His post game sure is pretty to watch though. He just doesn't get you a lot of wins.

From what I saw of Al on the Jazz last year this seems spot on.

[Jazza2319]

Utah wouldn't be interested in Iguodala, i bet they'd love Thad Young though.

Maybe Big Al for Nocioni and Young?

[RaisingArizona]

Welcome to PHX, Millsap!

[Joel Embust]

Ship them both to whichever teams are interested. All I care about is seeing my boy Favors blossom into a legit star.

[RutgersBJJ]

I've never seen so much hype around such empty stats. It is disrespectful to Zbo to compare him to Jefferson. Zbo was a ballhog and a blackhole because he was surrounded by trash his entire career, we saw how willing of a passer he was this season in Memphis and we saw glimpses of it in his 9 game stretch in the D'Antoni Knick year. Jefferson doesn't know what pass is and I doubt he could spell it. Surrounded by Deron Williams, Paul Milsap, AK-47, Raja Bell, and other decent scorer/shooters he does not pass. The double team comes and he turns into it and chucks. He has no value around this league to any competent front office, there is a reason he was acquired for all of a trade exemption. If Utah fans actually think he has value or will fetch value then you might as well keep him and play him. The only value he brings to a team is guaranteeing you will be drafting in the top 5 if you feature the offense around him.