Second best team in the East?

[Flash3]

You're right, the regular season has no bearing whatsoever on evaluation of a team's ability. Delete the thread.

In all seriousness though, what other team can slump hard like the Heat did early and the Knicks did in February and STILL be the top 2 teams in the conference. You would be silly to think that Carmelo Anthony can't take a postseason team with STAT playing regular minutes, Tyson Chandler DPOY, and finally a good healthy supporting cast past the likes of the Bulls, Pacers, Nets, and Hawks. I mean, one arm STAT and Melo single handedly beat the Heat in a PO game, now they have better help. Granted the Heat also added Allen.
I just think it's silly how the two teams haven't yet built an actual rivalry yet by the Heat fans comments you would think they've hated us since the 70's(not that the team existed).

The duo of Amare and Melo have been together for nearly 3 years (right?) And in those 3 years they haven't won a single post-season series. The rest of your team and any team for that matter really doesn't make much of a difference when your star player(s) aren't capable of doing much come PO time.

While Melo was putting up great stats offensively, the likes of LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh were doing 3-Fold. And let's forget Amare for this disucssion. Some thing or the other will develop with him - it always does.

The Knicks - until they can prove they can win a series - because it's been what like -8 years (IISC) since they've won a single series, let alone advanced very far.

[Rockice_24]

of course it is the knicks. why do you need poll for this? standings are available.

Probably won't be there at the end so what does 3/4 of the way through the season matter

[Kerosene]

I love this thread, mostly because of the slight jabs that people are throwing at the Knicks for being a terrible PO team and the Knick fans unwillingness to accept this.

[Meeks]

Bulls with DRose is still #2 in the east for me, maybe even tied for #1

[NYK_89]

You're right, the regular season has no bearing whatsoever on evaluation of a team's ability. Delete the thread.

In all seriousness though, what other team can slump hard like the Heat did early and the Knicks did in February and STILL be the top 2 teams in the conference. You would be silly to think that Carmelo Anthony can't take a postseason team with STAT playing regular minutes, Tyson Chandler DPOY, and finally a good healthy supporting cast past the likes of the Bulls, Pacers, Nets, and Hawks. I mean, one arm STAT and Melo single handedly beat the Heat in a PO game, now they have better help. Granted the Heat also added Allen.
I just think it's silly how the two teams haven't yet built an actual rivalry yet by the Heat fans comments you would think they've hated us since the 70's(not that the team existed).

The duo of Amare and Melo have been together for nearly 3 years (right?) And in those 3 years they haven't won a single post-season series. The rest of your team and any team for that matter really doesn't make much of a difference when your star player(s) aren't capable of doing much come PO time.

While Melo was putting up great stats offensively, the likes of LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh were doing 3-Fold. And let's forget Amare for this disucssion. Some thing or the other will develop with him - it always does.

The Knicks - until they can prove they can win a series - because it's been what like -8 years (IISC) since they've won a single series, let alone advanced very far.

What a weak arguement, First year STAT got hurt and we lost Billups in the first game. Second year we faced the Heat and again STAT was like 7 games back from injury then had the whole fire extinguisher deal. Not to mention just how much better they are then the previous years . This year they will be facing a lower seed rather then being in the 6 or 7 slot and we will see what happens but to instantly discredit them based on that is just comical.

Pacers have developed into the clear 2 and the Knicks are the pretty clear 3. When they are playing at their best the Knicks and Pacers are pretty damn close.

This board just loves to live in the moment, Our biggest problems right now are effort which will not be a problem in the playoffs, Shumpert still working his way back which is starting to happen and Kidd playing awful who has stepped up his level of play after looking like garbage for the playoffs for like 4 straight years.

[CoachKobe]

Bulls with DRose is still #2 in the east for me, maybe even tied for #1

miami crushed chicago 4-1 with an mvp-rose.
and that was the 2011 version of the heat.
and, as said, the mvp-version of rose.
your statement is a total fail.

[NYK_89]

Bulls with DRose is still #2 in the east for me, maybe even tied for #1

L O L

[LikeABosh]

Bulls with DRose is still #2 in the east for me, maybe even tied for #1

miami crushed chicago 4-1 with an mvp-rose.
and that was the 2011 version of the heat.
and, as said, the mvp-version of rose.
your statement is a total fail.

We didn't crush Chicago. It was a tough series and the only crushing that happened was in game 1 (which we lost) and the last 3 minutes of game 5.

[NYK_89]

But no team in the East has a healthy Melo/Lebron and I honestly think that's what separates the Knicks and the Heat from the pack. Unless Granger/George becomes a top 5 player in the postseason.

Too bad Melo is usually not a good playoff performer. Derrick Rose at full health is better than Melo too.

I agree with the people saying the Bulls would be #2 if they get Rose back and he returns to his level, but as of now I would say the Bulls are #3 or #4 in the East.

Cant disagree totally but when the hell did Rose become a playoff performer

Melo has had some good postseasons recently just the 2 with the knicks have been marred for other reasons.

[NYK_89]

Bulls with DRose is still #2 in the east for me, maybe even tied for #1

miami crushed chicago 4-1 with an mvp-rose.
and that was the 2011 version of the heat.
and, as said, the mvp-version of rose.
your statement is a total fail.

We didn't crush Chicago. It was a tough series and the only crushing that happened was in game 1 (which we lost) and the last 3 minutes of game 5.

4-1 is a crush. Nobody watched that series and said oh man bulls had a real chance at winning it if they played again.

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics now = trash

yawn.

Here it every year and every year the Celtics are always one of the last teams standing.

[NYK_89]

Celtics now = trash

yawn.

Here it every year and every year the Celtics are always one of the last teams standing.

The writing is on the wall boys. By this time last year everyone was hopping on the bandwagon.

[Nobymoby]

If healthy I'd put Bulls at 2 and Pacers at 3.

Right now the Pacers are the clear number two.

[CoachKobe]

Celtics now = trash

yawn.

Here it every year and every year the Celtics are always one of the last teams standing.

2 finals in 25 years = always one of the last teams standing

[dreamchaser]

^ Celtics fans vs Lakers fans never gets old...

[MVP Rose]

If healthy I'd put Bulls at 2 and Pacers at 3.

Right now the Pacers are the clear number two.

Agree with this

[Nuntius]

What, at the start of the season, the Knicks were holding teams to like 85 points.

The Knicks did start great defensively holding Miami to 84, Philly x2 to 84 and 88, Dallas to 94 and Orlando to 89 but they started allowing 100 points or more shortly. They allowed 105 points to Memphis, 114 to Dallas and 131 to Houston.

While the Pacers were losing horribly from both defensive and offensive efforts.

Not true. The Pacers were losing horribly because they were extremely inept at scoring back then. The chemistry wasn't good and we were committing a large number of turnovers. Still, only 3 teams scored 100 or more points on the Pacers in November. The Spurs did it twice and the Hornets also did in an OT game that the Pacers eventually won. The Bucks were pretty close at hitting 100 but they fell one point short.

The Knicks on the other hand? In the first month: 100 to SA, 105 to Memphis, 114 to Dallas, 131 to Houston, 100 to Detroit.

Shall we go into December?

Pacers: 103 to GS, 104 to OKC. That's it.

Knicks: 106 to Denver, 107 to LAL, 102 to Cleveland, 109 to Houston, 110 to Chicago, 100 to LAL, 106 to Sacramento.

The most points that the Pacers have allowed in this season? 114 points to Utah in an OT game.

The most points that the Knicks have allowed in this season? 131 points to Houston in a regulation game. They also recently allowed Indiana to score 125 points.

Look, if you want to claim that the Knicks were better defensively in the first 5 games of the season then yes. You can make that point.

But throughout the season the Pacers have been clearly superior defensively.

[Flash3]

You're right, the regular season has no bearing whatsoever on evaluation of a team's ability. Delete the thread.

In all seriousness though, what other team can slump hard like the Heat did early and the Knicks did in February and STILL be the top 2 teams in the conference. You would be silly to think that Carmelo Anthony can't take a postseason team with STAT playing regular minutes, Tyson Chandler DPOY, and finally a good healthy supporting cast past the likes of the Bulls, Pacers, Nets, and Hawks. I mean, one arm STAT and Melo single handedly beat the Heat in a PO game, now they have better help. Granted the Heat also added Allen.
I just think it's silly how the two teams haven't yet built an actual rivalry yet by the Heat fans comments you would think they've hated us since the 70's(not that the team existed).

The duo of Amare and Melo have been together for nearly 3 years (right?) And in those 3 years they haven't won a single post-season series. The rest of your team and any team for that matter really doesn't make much of a difference when your star player(s) aren't capable of doing much come PO time.

While Melo was putting up great stats offensively, the likes of LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh were doing 3-Fold. And let's forget Amare for this disucssion. Some thing or the other will develop with him - it always does.

The Knicks - until they can prove they can win a series - because it's been what like -8 years (IISC) since they've won a single series, let alone advanced very far.

What a weak arguement, First year STAT got hurt and we lost Billups in the first game. Second year we faced the Heat and again STAT was like 7 games back from injury then had the whole fire extinguisher deal. Not to mention just how much better they are then the previous years . This year they will be facing a lower seed rather then being in the 6 or 7 slot and we will see what happens but to instantly discredit them based on that is just comical.

Pacers have developed into the clear 2 and the Knicks are the pretty clear 3. When they are playing at their best the Knicks and Pacers are pretty damn close.

This board just loves to live in the moment, Our biggest problems right now are effort which will not be a problem in the playoffs, Shumpert still working his way back which is starting to happen and Kidd playing awful who has stepped up his level of play after looking like garbage for the playoffs for like 4 straight years.

Amare has always been hurt as a member of the NYKs come playoff time - if we use past history as a future predictor - what's going to change?

It's always something with the Knicks and their injuries or someone coming back from injury or whatever. Great teams make it all work - that's why they are great and win. Miami was w/o Bosh for nearly the entire Pacers and part of the Boston series - but they made it work somehow. All great teams overcome adversity to some capacity. NY isn't there and hasn't proved anything as a collection of their current talent.

[Nuntius]

but miami will walk 12-0 through the east anyway. no serious competition, a whole conference as the laughing stock of the league.
heat wouldn't make the finals through the west.

I'm sorry but I probably missed last year's playoffs in which the Heat struggled a lot more vs the East than they did vs the West Champ.

[Nuntius]

of course it is the knicks. why do you need poll for this? standings are available.

And what do the standings show? That the Knicks and Pacers are tied for #2 in the East.