No team can stop a healthy Dwight in the post season

Carmelofan · Post #81 » by **Carmelofan** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:49 am

GeneralNash wrote:
OneWhoKnocks wrote:
420 wrote:Teams proved they can stop the Dwight + Lakers all season long, it was the officiating that prevented them from winning. Lakers' record would be 20-62 if their FTs and FT diff. were adjusted for the league average.

20-62? More like 0-82. Everyone knows the Lakers haven't earned a fair victory since 2002. Get your facts straight.

Sounds like you got sore loseritis.

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GeneralNash · Post #82 » by **GeneralNash** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:20 am

Dez wrote:
GeneralNash wrote:Probably the most logical post on this board. But to add on a few points....Dwight can be amazing offensively at times. He has shown it, it's just not consistent yet. Once he can start being consistent at it...then that is when Dwight gets to that next level. If he can get there...that is debatable.

Lakers do have some good shooters: Meeks, Blake, Gasol is now finding the mid range, Artest can get hot from three, and Jamison is shooting the three ball very well. That just gives the Lakers a lot of spacing and is going to help Dwight and Pau big time.

You call it logical because it agrees (somewhat) with your point of view.

Nash will get lit up by guards like Parker, Westbrook, Curry, etc and the Lakers defense struggles enough as it is.

I ask again, up until last year Dwight had been healthy, so why hasn't he won a title yet if he can't be stopped in the post season?

That's like asking why couldn't Lebron win a ring in his first 2 finals if he was so special...or why didn't Jordan have more than 6 rings since he was so good, etc. etc. etc.

Dwight hasn't really been on talented teams like Lebron has been with the Heat for example.

Goldtop · Post #83 » by **Goldtop** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:59 am

I like the Lakers chances. Is Dwight unstoppable? No, but he is the best big man in these playoffs, and the team with the best big man is usually a good bet. Having Pau as a #2 option isn't too shabby either. He's probably as good as any teams #2 guy besides MIA.

How far they can go will depend on Nash, I think. Sure they are without an elite perimeter player in Kobe. But they still have another in Nash, which is enough when you have the best frontcourt. If he somehow plays like vintage Nash for a week or two, they could go far in the West, imo.

ppl will automatically dismiss them because they didn't play good all year, and are without one of the all-time best, but in reality they do have the best frontcourt in the playoffs. That shouldn't be overlooked by any means. If you just forgot Kobe ever existed and analyzed this Laker team right now, you would say they have a great chance with that frontcourt. Size wins in the playoffs when games come down to halfcourt battles. Does Dantoni know how to coach in the halfcourt is the question? He's so far proven not to in the playoffs throughout his career, but he;s also never had the bigs to do it. He does now. And he's still got his guy Nash there to run uptempo when need be. Looking forward to seeing how this team does.

ratrac · Post #84 » by **ratrac** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:37 am

GeneralNash wrote:
richboy wrote:
TheNewEra wrote:He still managed to make it to the Finals. I swear the Magic should of kept that team together at all cost with Lee and Turk. Hell even kept Alston as the starter and let Jameer and him fight for starting role after the season that team was finally a perfect fit.

They went to the NBA finals because KG got injured and Dwight destroyed the Cavs. Courtney Lee and Rafer Alston were irrelevant.

A healthy Dwight is one of the few players that can carry a bad roster. Not because he is amazing offensively. Because like sVG use to say no player in basketball effects more possessions. Last year up until Dwight injured his back the Magic were battling at the top of the East. Ryan Anderson was the only starter above the league average in PER. If they get Nash back, and they keep going inside to Pau. 100% Dwight can have enough impact to get them past the Spurs.

Probably the most logical post on this board. But to add on a few points....Dwight can be amazing offensively at times. He has shown it, it's just not consistent yet. Once he can start being consistent at it...then that is when Dwight gets to that next level. If he can get there...that is debatable.

Lakers do have some good shooters: Meeks, Blake, Gasol is now finding the mid range, Artest can get hot from three, and Jamison is shooting the three ball very well. That just gives the Lakers a lot of spacing and is going to help Dwight and Pau big time.

But to add on a few points....Duncan can be amazing offensively at times. He has shown it, it's just not consistent yet. Once he can start being consistent at it...then that is when Duncan gets to that next level. If he can get there...that is debatable.

Spurs do have some good shooters: Green, Bonner, Diaw is now finding the mid range, Ginobili can get hot from three, and Leonard is shooting the three ball very well. That just gives the Spurs a lot of spacing and is going to help Duncan and Splitter big time.

Post #85 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:44 am

GeneralNash wrote:
Dez wrote:
GeneralNash wrote:Probably the most logical post on this board. But to add on a few points....Dwight can be amazing offensively at times. He has shown it, it's just not consistent yet. Once he can start being consistent at it...then that is when Dwight gets to that next level. If he can get there...that is debatable.

Lakers do have some good shooters: Meeks, Blake, Gasol is now finding the mid range, Artest can get hot from three, and Jamison is shooting the three ball very well. That just gives the Lakers a lot of spacing and is going to help Dwight and Pau big time.

You call it logical because it agrees (somewhat) with your point of view.

Nash will get lit up by guards like Parker, Westbrook, Curry, etc and the Lakers defense struggles enough as it is.

I ask again, up until last year Dwight had been healthy, so why hasn't he won a title yet if he can't be stopped in the post season?

That's like asking why couldn't Lebron win a ring in his first 2 finals if he was so special...or why didn't Jordan have more than 6 rings since he was so good, etc. etc. etc.

Dwight hasn't really been on talented teams like Lebron has been with the Heat for example.

So now these Lakers aren't talented? People were thinking they'd win as many as 72 games at the beginning of this season.

yitur · Post #86 » by **yitur** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:02 pm

^ you are an amazing reader, LOL. He said this team is more talented than Magic teams that Dwight was on. And yes if everyone was healthy trough this season this was 60+ win team.

GeneralNash · Post #87 » by **GeneralNash** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:47 pm

3rd best record since the all star break.

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Post #88 » by **pacers33granger** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:56 pm

I'm kind of wondering why Nash's defense is such a big topic, but the crappy Magic guards when Dwight was there weren't. Jameer Nelson and Rafer Alston are horrible defenders. Sure, the Magic had Lee too, but he's just another role player.

basketballdario · Post #89 » by **basketballdario** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:50 pm

Why do people feel the need to up the ridiculousness of their threads/posts just because its the playoffs? Jeez.

J-Mezzy · Post #90 » by **J-Mezzy** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:19 pm

The Lakers are not getting past the Spurs, but it still amazes how underrated Howard is. The man led a Magic team to the Finals, ECF, and the Magic were a perennial top team for many years with Howard. He never won a ring because his team wasn't good enough to win a ring. These Lakers team is also not good enough to win a title, but that doesn't mean Howard is not an elite player. This Lakers team, much like the Magic teams, won't have a go to guy in close games. In addition to that, this team's defense is horrible. The Magic had a coach who was a great defensive coach, the Lakers? Not so much. The Lakers might make it interesting against the Spurs, but even with Kobe, they had no chance to make a deep run.

Mamba Venom · Post #91 » by **Mamba Venom** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:43 pm

KDgoat wrote:Dwight ain't Shaq. He's not going to drop 30+ on you every night. Lakers got absolutely nothing outside of Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol who just played his best basketball all season (surprise, Kobe is out). They will be crushed by San Antonio.

The only reason they were even close to the 8th/7th seed is 100% thanks to Kobe his heroball for the past 2 months.

And Shaq couldn't do it w/o Kobe or Wade & Zo

I wish this kool aid was real. IT WOULD TASTE DELICIOUS!!!! But I can't drink what doesn't exist.

microfib4thewin · Post #92 » by **microfib4thewin** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:43 pm

A healthier Dwight in a system that is suited for him along with better coaching could not win a title despite having a good chance in 2009 and 2010. Now he's unstoppable because he's playing with a 39 year old Nash and Gasol who is having the worst season of his career?

redzealots · Post #93 » by **redzealots** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:07 am

Everyone know's that D Howard is the best player in the league.

For this season alone, he deserves the MVP, DPOY, Best Big Man Award.

Also Dantoni should get the COY for getting this horrible lakers team to the playoffs.

anarchy24 · Post #94 » by **anarchy24** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:50 am

Fischella wrote:Gasol is the 2nd best Center in the game, that's true.

But the Lakers perimeter is AWFUL the worst in the PO by far, I mean... Nash, Duhon, Blake, Morris, Meeks, Goudelock, MWP, Ebanks, Clark and Jamison... maybe Dwight can destroy you, maybe even Gasol can have nice games next to Dwight... but with that perimeter, it's impossible to do anything in the postseason.

Duhon, Goudelock, Ebanks won't even play significant minutes to affect the game. At least I hope that's the case. Jamison plays mostly as a 4 now and usually with Dwight. I think the Lakers will have a line up of

Nash/Blake/Morris
Meeks/Blake/Morris
MWP/Clark
Gasol/Jamison/Clark
Howard/Gasol

Awful SGs there. But hopefully they will play in a half court game inside out more to give those guys more open shots.

EscapoTHB · Post #95 » by **EscapoTHB** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:54 am

Didn't the Magic get knocked out by the Hawks the last time Dwight was healthy?

Some unstoppable juggernaut...

LikeABosh · Post #96 » by **LikeABosh** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:28 am

GeneralNash wrote:

It was nice of Mike Brown to visit Kobe

GeneralNash · Post #97 » by **GeneralNash** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:38 pm

EscapoTHB wrote:Didn't the Magic get knocked out by the Hawks the last time Dwight was healthy?

Some unstoppable juggernaut...

Lebron got knocked out plenty of times as well.

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tiderulz · Post #98 » by **tiderulz** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:40 pm

GeneralNash wrote:
EscapoTHB wrote:Didn't the Magic get knocked out by the Hawks the last time Dwight was healthy?

Some unstoppable juggernaut...

Lebron got knocked out plenty of times as well.

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yes, but read the title of the post.

JF5 · Post #99 » by **JF5** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:57 pm

No team can stop him...

But this is similar to the 2010 Atlanta Hawk series.

All you have to do is Guard Dwight one on one and stop everyone else. And the Lakers don't have much of an offensive arsenal to begin with now. To say they're terrible offensively right now is and understatement. The Lakers are pretty much going to play grind it out basketball in order to compete.

dautjazz · Post #100 » by **dautjazz** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:01 pm

Lakers grinded out some of their games, but during that stretch there was very questionable officiating. Spurs may be a good matchup for them, but I don't see them getting past them. How is Nash going to guard Tony Parker? Who is going to guard him? Duncan is going to do whatever he wants on Howard again too. Only hope for LA is Gasol.