Kings <not> going to give Andre Iguodala a max contract

SacKingZZZ · Post #81 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:22 am

If they needed scoring Reke is better than Iggy. They need someone who can play against this leagues SF's, I'd say it's worth 2 million more a year.

jeffjtk1234 · Post #82 » by **jeffjtk1234** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:23 am

Its either this, or sign and trade Reke for picks or some garbage (think Bucks JJ Redick deaL), go full rebuild and risk losing Cousins next year because we havent won anything in ages. He is restricted sure, but I cant see him being happy on a losing team.

Tough situation cleaning up for the Maloofs mess. I trust our Front Office.

JDizzel3000 · Post #83 » by **JDizzel3000** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:25 am

jeffjtk1234 wrote:
JDizzel3000 wrote:
jeffjtk1234 wrote:Reke isnt a SF. Do people not get that? He also isnt a PG. Or a SG. lol. Where does he fit here? It hasnt been established in 4 years.

Id rather pay Iggy this then match Reke and keep the same knuckleheads around we have had over the last couple of years.

You don't have true PG on the kings... I wish people would stop falling in love with position names ... You can still run a 3 guard set with Reke ... Since he's the primary or secondary ballhandler and probably your best playmaker .... Same type of role Houston uses Harden

Trust me when I tell you ... Change dosent always = good

do you watch Kings basketball?

Comparing Reke's role to Harden's is a mistake in so many ways.

Reke has a low BBall IQ. Sure he can get into the lane but he doesnt possess the ability to kick it out to shooters and make his teammates better.

He hasn't improved in four years. I want guys on this team that can make others better. We are trying to build a different culture and team here. Status quo doesnt make sense.

I was going to try to but I can't really take your post serious when you say something like "tyreke hasn't improved at all in four years"

Then Have the nerve to question my basketball knowledge ..lol

That's clearly a person that dosent know what they're taking about ...

Like I said before ... This has been a real interesting off season .... Lot of teams making some real interesting moves ...we'll see how these fans feel about this action by mid season ... Lol

hodgy#11 · Post #84 » by **hodgy#11** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:27 am

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... t-By-Kings

Pretty sure that's not the max?

bledredwine · Post #85 » by **bledredwine** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:28 am

I called this ish. The star power in the league is so lacking that just good players are getting max contracts. Who's next? Demarcus?

richboy · Post #86 » by **richboy** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:28 am

Iggy is number 3. Sacramento doesn't have the 1 and 2. This is a desperate move if they do it.

ADoaN17 · Post #87 » by **ADoaN17** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:29 am

hodgy#11 wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/228577/Iguodala-Offered-Four-Year-$56M-Contract-By-Kings

Pretty sure that's not the max?

Yeah the max was just a rumor.

jeffjtk1234 · Post #88 » by **jeffjtk1234** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:29 am

Look at Reke's numbers. He has not made a drastic improvement over the last 4 years. His scoring average has dropped every year. His assist % is the lowest it has been since he entered the league. He has a very low bball IQ. His shooting improved this season, but overall he is who is his as a player.

GreenBack · Post #89 » by **GreenBack** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:29 am

Iggy is gonna age really well. You can just tell from his work ethic and physique. His defense is A+ and he's a good guy. This isn't a move I'd make as a rebuilding team though.

dolphinatik · Post #90 » by **dolphinatik** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:30 am

four years $56 mil offer to Iggy. Too much? my question is at this point in his career why would he take it unless he is all about the money. Nothing super promising about the Kings no disrespect to Kings fans.

Post #91 » by **jazzfan1971** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:30 am

I think it is a good signing.

and I aint even drunk. he should help the kings immensely.

omik · Post #92 » by **omik** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:31 am

Can a mod change the title of this thread or close it for a new topic? It isn't a max contract.

ADoaN17 · Post #93 » by **ADoaN17** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:32 am

Its good for a culture change. Malone is all about defense and needs an elite defender.

rpa · Post #94 » by **rpa** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:32 am

Conspiracy theorish but ...

It was reported that last night when the Kings met with Evans they didn't say they'd match the Pelicans offer, but he nonetheless "came away impressed"

I wonder if they told him they were going after Iggy and hoping he'd be willing to take a small pay cut to stay. They could amnesty Salmons and still make an offer to Evans with a starting salary in the neighborhood of $8mil. At $8mil he could sign a 5/46 contract with max raises (yes, I know, less than the Pelicans offer per year).

A lineup of Evans/McLemore/Iggy/Patterson or Thompson/Cousins would at least be somewhat interesting.

For the record as a Kings fan I'm hoping for them to rebuild. Doesn't look like they're going to, though.

Post #95 » by **The Rebel** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:33 am

GreenBack wrote:Iggy is gonna age really well. You can just tell from his work ethic and physique. His defense is A+ and he's a good guy. This isn't a move I'd make as a rebuilding team though.

When do the Kings stop rebuilding though? they have been out of the playoffs for 7 years, and a full on rebuild for the last 5, eventually you have to make a move to become a winning team or you stay stuck in the rebuild cycle. As a fan of the Nuggets not to mention an NBA fan for way to long, you have to take chances occasionally if you feel you have a talented enough young core.

JDizzel3000 · Post #96 » by **JDizzel3000** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:34 am

The Rebel wrote:
JDizzel3000 wrote:
The Rebel wrote:
Igoudala is also a much better defender than anybody they have or have had on their roster for a long time.

His defense is worth 6mil a year more than tyreke evans on a non contending team? I meeeeannn I can guarantee you this will backfire ..... I'm not the type that usually says stuff like this but there's no way in hell you pay him that kind of money ....that's just dumb

Man Im sooooo happy my bulls are already over the cap...lol... Who knows what type of dumb ass moves we would be making had we had the chance to throw some of this money around .... Wow

Last I checked defense was half the game, so is Igoudala better enough to be worth $6 million more then Evans, adding in the leadership and attitude change, and I would say pretty damn close, obviously the Kings would rather pay him whatever their offer was than pay Evans $12 million a year.

Wow.... That's crazy to me

He sure as hell didnt "change the defensive culture" in Denver ..... I don't know what makes people think he's going to do it in sacramento

Like I said I hope it works for these guys ... But 14mil a year for a 30 year old dude with a 15per just dosent seem sensible to me...

Idk

GreenBack · Post #97 » by **GreenBack** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:35 am

The Rebel wrote:
GreenBack wrote:Iggy is gonna age really well. You can just tell from his work ethic and physique. His defense is A+ and he's a good guy. This isn't a move I'd make as a rebuilding team though.

When do the Kings stop rebuilding though? they have been out of the playoffs for 7 years, and a full on rebuild for the last 5, eventually you have to make a move to become a winning team or you stay stuck in the rebuild cycle. As a fan of the Nuggets not to mention an NBA fan for way to long, you have to take chances occasionally if you feel you have a talented enough young core.

But they don't have a talented core. Evans is an enigma at best and what's good for him isn't conducive to winning championships. Cousins is their last hope.

rpa · Post #98 » by **rpa** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:38 am

The Rebel wrote:When do the Kings stop rebuilding though? they have been out of the playoffs for 7 years, and a full on rebuild for the last 5, eventually you have to make a move to become a winning team or you stay stuck in the rebuild cycle. As a fan of the Nuggets not to mention an NBA fan for way to long, you have to take chances occasionally if you feel you have a talented enough young core.

It wasn't really a full on rebuild because the Maloofs refused to spend any money to do so. That means:
a) They refused to take on dead weight to secure draft picks and prospects
b) They refused to put more money into scouting and player development (point of fact is that they cut everything to the bone)
c) They were (allegedly) one of the biggest voices behind drafting Jimmer (for the $$$) which is essentially a wasted pick (granted so was Thomas Robinson)

I'd say they were full on bad the last 5 years, but not in a full on rebuild.

Post #99 » by **The Rebel** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:39 am

JDizzel3000 wrote:
The Rebel wrote:
JDizzel3000 wrote:
His defense is worth 6mil a year more than tyreke evans on a non contending team? I meeeeannn I can guarantee you this will backfire ..... I'm not the type that usually says stuff like this but there's no way in hell you pay him that kind of money ....that's just dumb

Man Im sooooo happy my bulls are already over the cap...lol... Who knows what type of dumb ass moves we would be making had we had the chance to throw some of this money around .... Wow

Last I checked defense was half the game, so is Igoudala better enough to be worth $6 million more then Evans, adding in the leadership and attitude change, and I would say pretty damn close, obviously the Kings would rather pay him whatever their offer was than pay Evans $12 million a year.

Wow.... That's crazy to me

He sure as hell didnt "change the defensive culture" in Denver ..... I don't know what makes people think he's going to do it in sacramento

Like I said I hope it works for these guys ... But 14mil a year for a 30 year old dude with a 15per just dosent seem sensible to me...

Idk

The Nuggets went from the 20th ranked defense in 2011-2012 to the 11th ranked defense despite Karl playing a switching defense that called for the Shooting Guards and Small forwards to help protect the paint while leaving 3 point shooters wide open. Everything considered I would say that was a pretty big jump when he was really the only roster addition.

ILOVEIT · Post #100 » by **ILOVEIT** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:46 am

If your the Kings you have to overpay to get free agents. I like the pickup if it comes true. It's a gamble but it at least makes them a legit team night in and night out. Cousins is frustrated because they are losing constantly....having Iggy will help them win more and it might help get Cousins on track. If they could have kept Tyreke at point guard AND brought in Iggy at SF...with Cousins at center and C'more at shooting guard..THEN they would have a solid starting 5...

But this might just be one of those teams that is then 9th seed for the next 5 years.....

We'll see.