Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets?

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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#81 » by JellosJigglin » Mon Jul 8, 2013 4:15 pm

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TheChosen618 wrote:Dwight has one of the better hands in the NBA


He has stone hands.


This. And OP is assuming Dwight will be a WILLING pnr big man. He isn't, which is one reason Nash could never find his rhythm. Maybe it was just an experiment for him to see if he could be a traditional low post big man. But if he isn't willing to set picks in Houston then he's going to take away one of Lins strengths.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#82 » by LarsV8 » Mon Jul 8, 2013 4:54 pm

junot111 wrote:You clearly just don't want to accept the fact that much of the criticism against him is unjust and purely based on hate, because the evidence of it is clear as day.


azuresou1 wrote:Amazing how Lin can still have so many racist haters despite proving that he's not just a flash-in-the-pan like Flip Murray.


If anyone dislikes Lin, it is because of posts like these and how utterly stupid these assertions are.

There is no racism involved in the criticism of his play.

He is a below average starting point guard, and an average point guard in the NBA.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#83 » by Prince187 » Mon Jul 8, 2013 5:17 pm

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Vader wrote:It is Lin's skin color and last name. He has been treated this way the whole life. He will deal with it.


If he wasn't Asian there would have never been such a hype about him. There are barely Asians players in the league, finally one has tremendous success with the beautiful story attached and there you go.


There you go, another way to put it.

If he wasn't Asian he would have gotten a scholarship to a D1 school and he would have been a first round draft pick.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#84 » by niQ » Mon Jul 8, 2013 5:37 pm

At first people said he was overrated. Now people criticize him so much that he's pretty much underrated.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#85 » by sidestep » Mon Jul 8, 2013 5:55 pm

tsherkin wrote:2012-2013 AST% / TOV%

Lin: 29.4% / 18.8%
Harden: 25.7% / 14.9%

When Asik fumbles a pass under the basket, TO goes to Lin. That happened a lot last season. Put the numbers in context.

As for Harden's TO rate, the easiest way to never turn it over is not pass the ball and just shoot it yourself. That's why Westbrook's has rack up huge TOs but his TO rate doesn't appear atrocious, and he gets a pass from most ppl. TO rate is just a misleading stat. It's also laughable that Harden's TO numbers (not the TO rate but the raw numbers), esp his horrible play at the end of the season, are conveniently ignored by the star-making machine.

The Lin TO machine meme is tired and dated.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#86 » by Guy986 » Mon Jul 8, 2013 5:57 pm

Asik doesn't just fumble passes from Lin.

You know they play on the same team, their passes goes to the same guys......
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#87 » by tsherkin » Mon Jul 8, 2013 5:58 pm

Lin is a TOV machine, this is inescapably true. It's true that there are some TOs attributed to him not directly his fault but that happens to all volume passers and playmakers, so it isn't relevant. His TOV% in GSW and NYK was similar and wasn't involving Asik then.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#88 » by sidestep » Mon Jul 8, 2013 6:02 pm

Guy986 wrote:Asik doesn't just fumble passes from Lin.

You know they play on the same team, their passes goes to the same guys......

When you are taking isolations a lot, that increases your number of possessions that are TO-free. When you are isolating a lot, you pass less to Asik and risk TOs.

As for Harden passing to Asik, how many times have you seen Harden make a face when Asik fumbled the ball. The look of 'never again am I going to pass to you.' The point is not how often Asik fumbles passes but the distribution who was trying to pass more to Asik. Also, Harden never learned that Asik cannot catch low bounce passes, even till the end of the season. The window in which Asik can catch a pass is very small.

Fact is Asik was assisted more by Lin than Harden last season. Per basketball-reference:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... r=&margin=

Jeremy Lin 77
James Harden 56
Chandler Parsons 42

How many of those 77 assists to Asik by Lin were also accompanied by TOs involving Lin trying to get the ball to Asik? Don't know, there is no public stat for that, but there is a price for trying to pass to Asik more: more TOs. And keep in mind that 77 versus 56 is with Lin playing significantly fewer minutes than Harden.

Anyone who has actually watched the games last season would know that Asik was not good for his Lin's assist and turnover stats.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#89 » by MKG35 » Mon Jul 8, 2013 6:10 pm

Prince187 wrote:If he wasn't Asian he would have gotten a scholarship to a D1 school and he would have been a first round draft pick.

Because... ? Can you back it up please?
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#90 » by Guy986 » Mon Jul 8, 2013 6:12 pm

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Guy986 wrote:Asik doesn't just fumble passes from Lin.

You know they play on the same team, their passes goes to the same guys......

When you are taking isolations a lot, that increases your number of possessions that are TO-free. When you are isolating a lot, you pass less to Asik and risk TOs.

As for Harden passing to Asik, how many times have you seen Harden make a face when Asik fumbled the ball. The look of 'never again am I going to pass to you.' The point is not how often Asik fumbles passes but the distribution who was trying to pass more to Asik. Also, Harden never learned that Asik cannot catch low bounce passes, even till the end of the season. The window in which Asik can catch a pass is very small.


No, Harden's penetration game when he is attacking the basket is a turnover risk every time. He is often at the mercy of the refs. You know how Harden likes to show the ball in front of him on drives to entice people into stripping it? Thats how he draws most of his fouls to the basket.

There are tons of instances where defenders slaps on his arm, he loses the ball and doesn't get the foul. Infact i'll say most of his turnovers are from penetration to the rim.

Most of Lin's turnovers are from those full court touch down passes and jumpstops when he has no where to go.


Yea i know that face Harden makes when Asik fumbles his bounce passes. :nonono:
I think its more of a "i shouldn't have done that" more than a "that dumb turkish ##@%@"
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#91 » by Ronito » Mon Jul 8, 2013 6:14 pm

The Rockets signing Dwight has nothing to do with it, actually. He's really not even a good player to begin with. Hell he isn't even the best point guard on his own team.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#92 » by Durant Durant » Mon Jul 8, 2013 6:31 pm

Ronito wrote:The Rockets signing Dwight has nothing to do with it, actually. He's really not even a good player to begin with. Hell he isn't even the best point guard on his own team.


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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#93 » by Nashty » Mon Jul 8, 2013 6:42 pm

It's because he's asian. Rockets fans are disgusting. They all think that scrub beverley is better because he's black.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#94 » by Fury » Mon Jul 8, 2013 6:43 pm

Nashty wrote:It's because he's asian. Rockets fans are disgusting. They all think that scrub beverley is better because he's black.


smh rocket fans
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#95 » by Durant Durant » Mon Jul 8, 2013 6:48 pm

5.6ppg,2.9apg scrub who got a kick in stats after taking down Westbrook gets to be their best PG LMAOOOOO
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#96 » by Guy986 » Mon Jul 8, 2013 6:54 pm

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Nashty wrote:It's because he's asian. Rockets fans are disgusting. They all think that scrub beverley is better because he's black.


smh rocket fans


Now that you mention it. You might have something there.

The Rockets and their fans have been clamoring for Dwight Howard for years now. And he also happens to be black. :o
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#97 » by Fury » Mon Jul 8, 2013 6:55 pm

Guy986 wrote:
Fury wrote:
Nashty wrote:It's because he's asian. Rockets fans are disgusting. They all think that scrub beverley is better because he's black.


smh rocket fans


Now that you mention it. You might have something there.

The Rockets have been pursuing Dwight Howard for years now. And he also happens to be black. :o


And they traded two light skinned black guys (Lamb and Martin) for a darker black guy (Harden).
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#98 » by junot111 » Mon Jul 8, 2013 7:17 pm

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junot111 wrote:You clearly just don't want to accept the fact that much of the criticism against him is unjust and purely based on hate, because the evidence of it is clear as day.


azuresou1 wrote:Amazing how Lin can still have so many racist haters despite proving that he's not just a flash-in-the-pan like Flip Murray.


If anyone dislikes Lin, it is because of posts like these and how utterly stupid these assertions are.

There is no racism involved in the criticism of his play.

He is a below average starting point guard, and an average point guard in the NBA.

Once again you provide no analysis or proof and only give a blank statement stating your opinion. Thank you for letting us know how you feel about Jeremy Lin now please stop trying to pass everything you say off as fact.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#99 » by junot111 » Mon Jul 8, 2013 7:19 pm

Ronito wrote:The Rockets signing Dwight has nothing to do with it, actually. He's really not even a good player to begin with. Hell he isn't even the best point guard on his own team.

and posts like this is the reason why I bring up the blind ignorance that these haters have towards Lin. They know nothing about him or his team and yet say things like this. He's not even the best point guard on his own team? :lol:
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#100 » by LarsV8 » Mon Jul 8, 2013 7:29 pm

junot111 wrote:Once again you provide no analysis or proof and only give a blank statement stating your opinion. Thank you for letting us know how you feel about Jeremy Lin now please stop trying to pass everything you say off as fact.


The burden of proof is on you.

You are claiming racism. What racism?
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