Gordon Hayward's Worth?

[Mahaffey]

If Hayward gets 50 million, the Jazz deserve the decade of mediocrity to follow. I don't understand this, and I'm a Hayward fan. He's the guy you give 7 million to carry the offense for 20 minutes a game off the bench, not a franchise cornerstone.

[Tave]

If you can't spot the difference between Hayward and Batum, I can't help you. Hayward has a complete floor game and can create his shot from anywhere on the floor. Batum simply isn't that talented.

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that doesn't withstand any scrutiny

* 77% of Hayward's shots are jumpshots. 80% of Batum's shots are jumpshots. Overall Hayward is assisted on 69% of his FG's, Batum is assisted on 72%.

* they had about the same number of shots at the rim. But Batum was assisted on 51% of those while Hayward was assisted on 59% of his. And Batum had a better FG% at the rim, 65% vs .58%

* in the 10'-16' zone, they had a similar number of attempts. But Batum was assisted on 29% while Hayward was assisted on 53%. That's a huge difference that is even more noteworthy considering that Batum had a much better eFG% on those shots

* they both put up a lot of shots from the 16'-23' zone. Hayward had a lower assisted FG rate, 63% vs 68%, and a higher eFG%

But frankly, since both players had eFG% below 40% in those two shooting zones, there is nothing commendable for either. They should be taking most of their shots at the rim or behind the arc

* Hayward is a better shooter from 3 point range, but the assisted FG% of the two players is essentially even
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in other words, there is nothing statistically indicating that Hayward has a significantly better "floor game" or better at creating his own shot. And by the way, Guys with good floor games usually are assisted on less then half their FG's, not 70%

on the other hand, Batum is better in assists and initiating team offense....an integral part of a floor game. Batum is also better in rebounds, steals, and blocked shots

now, if you want to use Batum as some kind of template for what Hayward should be paid, that's fine. The big difference (besides at least 4 million) is that Batum got an offer sheet from Minnesota the Blazers were "forced'' to match. Utah is doing this without seeing what the market is for Hayward. By the way, the GM that made that offer to Batum got fired...

Meh--I said in my first post that Hayward is criminally underused. Again, if you can't spot the difference between them in terms of scoring talent, I can't help you. It's palpable.

Batum is a great glue guy with an all-around game, but he doesn't have 1st-option potential, Gordy does.

[Blame Rasho]

Only in your own mind he is a 1st option material... and even at that he would be one of the worst in the NBA if he was one... If you can't see that.... I can't help you...

I wonder if you are one of those guys who says that he is just as good if not better than Paul George if only given the opportunity.

[tbennett5438]

More than 10 mil is a mistake

[Catchall]

Hayward is a much better passer and playmaker than players like Batum, DeRozan or even Iguodala. He's a triple-threat player (shoot, pass, drive), and that's what makes him valuable. It's not just his shooting percentages and hustle.

He's a complementary player on a contending team, and a guy who can get 15 - 20 pts. No one is saying he's more than that. But that's still a $50 mil player.

Look at how much Tyreke Evans is making, then tell me some team isn't going to make Hayward that kind of offer if he hits free agency.

[StocktonShorts]

More than 10 mil is a mistake

This sums up my take on it. Unlike Favors -- flawed and raw as he may be -- Hayward's skill set isn't that difficult to replace, especially if you're willing to spend $10M per year.

[Catchall]

I think Hayward's market is set by other players making $11 mil right now. Lets say Hayward continues to play all year like he has in pre-season, basically a triple-double threat any given night. Why wouldn't the Lakers throw money at Hayward plus a max guy this off-season?

[StocktonShorts]

Lets say Hayward continues to play all year like he has in pre-season, basically a triple-double threat any given night.

Are you Matt Harpring? Or do you just parrot every ridiculous thing he says during broadcasts?

[Catchall]

More than 10 mil is a mistake

This sums up my take on it. Unlike Favors -- flawed and raw as he may be -- Hayward's skill set isn't that difficult to replace, especially if you're willing to spend $10M per year.

Hayward is 6'9". He can guard either wing position. He can run the offense. He can put the ball on the floor. He can spot up. He gives 100% effort every minute. How many players in the league can really do what he does, when you consider his playmaking and court vision? Every team needs a guy like that.

[Xsy]

Hayward can put up 18/5/5 by 2014/15. Those are all star numbers, no?

[Catchall]

Lets say Hayward continues to play all year like he has in pre-season, basically a triple-double threat any given night.

Are you Matt Harpring? Or do you just parrot every ridiculous thing he says during broadcasts?

I don't listen to Matt Harpring. I just watch most the games. Hayward is a unique player. He can get 7 or 8 assists to go with 15+ pts. Not bad for a wing player.

[StocktonShorts]

Lets say Hayward continues to play all year like he has in pre-season, basically a triple-double threat any given night.

Are you Matt Harpring? Or do you just parrot every ridiculous thing he says during broadcasts?

I don't listen to Matt Harpring. I just watch most the games. Hayward is a unique player. He can get 7 or 8 assists to go with 15+ pts. Not bad for a wing player.

His career average is 3.4 assists per 36 minutes. His career rebounding numbers aren't great either. He's not sniffing a triple double any time soon.

[MICHAEL_JORDAN]

better be more than Jeremy Lin's contract.

[Catchall]

Are you Matt Harpring? Or do you just parrot every ridiculous thing he says during broadcasts?

I don't listen to Matt Harpring. I just watch most the games. Hayward is a unique player. He can get 7 or 8 assists to go with 15+ pts. Not bad for a wing player.

His career average is 3.4 assists per 36 minutes. His career rebounding numbers aren't great either. He's not sniffing a triple double any time soon.

In his first pre-season game, he had 8 assists and 7 rebounds in 26 minutes. He sat out most of the 4th quarter because it was a blow-out. That's a sniff right there. He had another game with 7 assists while scoring 20 points. He's going to play heavy minutes and have the ball in his hands a lot. "Any given night" means he can do it, not that he'll average a triple-double.

[Blame Rasho]

Let the stupid posts continue...lol....

[Tave]

Only in your own mind he is a 1st option material... and even at that he would be one of the worst in the NBA if he was one... If you can't see that.... I can't help you...

Again, first option potential, I didn't say he was there yet.

I wonder if you are one of those guys who says that he is just as good if not better than Paul George if only given the opportunity.

Yes, definitely. I think he projects better than George. He's so much more skilled.

[sellah]

Only in your own mind he is a 1st option material... and even at that he would be one of the worst in the NBA if he was one... If you can't see that.... I can't help you...

Again, first option potential, I didn't say he was there yet.

I wonder if you are one of those guys who says that he is just as good if not better than Paul George if only given the opportunity.

Yes, definitely. I think he projects better than George. He's so much more skilled.

dont feed the troll...

[Catchall]

I'll predict that Hayward averages 15+ pts, 5 assists and around 4.5 rebounds in heavy minutes. I'll also predict he gets serious consideration for Team USA this summer. And... I'll predict that if the Jazz don't lock Hayward up with a deal now, two or more teams will go after him in free agency with offers in the $10 - $12.5 mil/year range. The Jazz can get Hayward to concede 1 or 2 mil./year in return for long-term security. It's really their only leverage and their only play.

[Frank Mulely]

Hayward is a great young player. Jazz better lock him up for 5 years $50 million.

[Xsy]

Real talk, I challenge any NBA player to put up impressive numbers between the ineptitude of Corbin, the chucking of Mo Williams, and the black hole that is Al Jefferson. Hayward is better than his numbers imply. (Still no Paul George, but good enough for a decent contract.)