Techicals for Flopping getting a trial in D League

[Vader]

If a defender puts two hands on the opponen'ts body and wraps around like Ariza did, it is a foul that is hard for the referees to swallow the whistle. You can get away with one hand pushing, dragging,slapping or untieing a show lace, but not two.

[CCM721]

Whining about Dwight holding Wall is hilarious, every team does this.

[GameTime_3]

Big fan of Hardens game but his Flopping is by far the number 1 reason why I don't look at him as elite. Defenders are afraid to get close or he will flap like he got hit by a nuke if you give him any contact. Even during Wade's peak where he got plenty of calls at least he was attacking the paint and looking to score. When watching Harden most of the time he is looking for the foul call instead of trying to score. No one will say it but more and more this league is becoming the Euro game well mocked years ago. No big men, plenty of flopping and outside shooting.

[hayden]

Seriously, I can't believe people are complaining about this. Sure, Harden may be annoying to some, but let's not make this out to be a completely bad call by the refs.

[DaVoiceMaster]

I didn't watch the game and only saw the video and pix in this thread. I am a Blazers fan and not a Rockets or Wizards fan. The initial contact can be found in any game in that situation. There is always bumping and pushing. The problem as I see it is Ariza has his hands all over Harden and Harden hooks Ariza's left arm, then throws himself backwards as if he's taken a shot to the face. I think Ariza will get called for that foul 9 out of 10 times and any other player in that situation. Having said that, I really dislike flopping and don't think it gets called often enough. Fortunately, the Blazers don't flop (too much anyways). I would really hate if my favorite team had a bunch of floppers. Unfortunately, a lot of the superstars in the league flop. Perhaps that's part of the reason they're considered a superstar?!?!?

I'd have been okay with a no-call on that Ariza foul, although once Harden hooked Ariza's arm, I could see the foul being called on Ariza. Right or wrong, that's just the way it usaully happens. I only have a picture to look at for the second comlpaint about Howard holding Wall on Harden's winning basket. It sure looks like a foul, but without seeing the video in real-time, it's hard to say whether a call was warranted or not.

(The following is just my drivel. You are okay to stop reading from this point on)

Overall, I don't really care for Houston a whole lot (mostly because of Howard & Harden). I really like the Wizards and wonder why they're not better than they are. I know they've had some qualitiy wins lately so perhaps it just took them a while to get it together. They could be a dangerous team going forward though. Could they surprise someone in the playoffs? Maybe! I think the Rockets will go as far as the NBA let's them. If they let Howard get away with a lot, they could go far. If they call fouls on him the way they call them on Average Joe's, they could go out of the playoffs early. We'll see.

[hands11]

James Harden also did this.

Lmao wtf

I heard its called the Motor Boat. Very concerning. Strange dude.

[BJGOAT3]

What a reaction-overrated thread topic. This isn't even nearly a top 20 flop of the year. Harden is pushing Ariza into the screen which is not a foul. Ariza still holds on to Harden after he is stopped by the screen and extends his arm naturally after the screen contact, thus the foul. So you are telling me players can't find for position while coming of a screen? This is how screens have been done in everywhere in the world.

[hands11]

I didn't watch the game and only saw the video and pix in this thread. I am a Blazers fan and not a Rockets or Wizards fan. The initial contact can be found in any game in that situation. There is always bumping and pushing. The problem as I see it is Ariza has his hands all over Harden and Harden hooks Ariza's left arm, then throws himself backwards as if he's taken a shot to the face. I think Ariza will get called for that foul 9 out of 10 times and any other player in that situation. Having said that, I really dislike flopping and don't think it gets called often enough. Fortunately, the Blazers don't flop (too much anyways). I would really hate if my favorite team had a bunch of floppers. Unfortunately, a lot of the superstars in the league flop. Perhaps that's part of the reason they're considered a superstar?!?!?

I'd have been okay with a no-call on that Ariza foul, although once Harden hooked Ariza's arm, I could see the foul being called on Ariza. Right or wrong, that's just the way it usaully happens. I only have a picture to look at for the second comlpaint about Howard holding Wall on Harden's winning basket. It sure looks like a foul, but without seeing the video in real-time, it's hard to say whether a call was warranted or not.

(The following is just my drivel. You are okay to stop reading from this point on)

Overall, I don't really care for Houston a whole lot (mostly because of Howard & Harden). I really like the Wizards and wonder why they're not better than they are. I know they've had some qualitiy wins lately so perhaps it just took them a while to get it together. They could be a dangerous team going forward though. Could they surprise someone in the playoffs? Maybe! I think the Rockets will go as far as the NBA let's them. If they let Howard get away with a lot, they could go far. If they call fouls on him the way they call them on Average Joe's, they could go out of the playoffs early. We'll see.

The video of the 2nd Howard moving pick and hold is in this thread.

[baubo]

Why are people comparing Harden to the 90s? In the 90s everyone's allowed more contact. In those days you had the Pistons and the Knicks winning with essentially very thugish type teams. The NBA has since changes rules to favor offense as a result of what most fans at the time felt was "uglyball."

Compare Harden to his peers if you want to ostracize him. How does he compare with the players today? Does Lebron play the same way 90s players do? What about Durant? Who cares how Harden compares with players from 20 years ago? 20 years ago there was no zone defense and centers would actually be able to operate freely in the post. Where are all the threads in RealGM every time a defender soft doubles post players today? That isn't what 90s players do, right?

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Key problem with this is the refs allow harden to **** with them like this and there's no downside, he gets more calls than anyone in the league. These flopper trickster jokesters need to be punished by getting no calls in all marginal situations until they stop flopping.

Also this after the fact nonsense where the nba occasionally punishes someone slightly for flopping is just lol.

[Mobby]

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This is awesome.

[baubo]

Key problem with this is the refs allow harden to **** with them like this and there's no downside, he gets more calls than anyone in the league. These flopper trickster jokesters need to be punished by getting no calls in all marginal situations until they stop flopping.

Also this after the fact nonsense where the nba occasionally punishes someone slightly for flopping is just lol.

In this instance, wouldn't the way to solve it is to simply have refs call a foul when there's a foul? If there was a whistle on Ariza when he put two hands on Harden, then that's the end of that, right?

[NothingButLuck]

From all the Harden's flops, the OP chose the one where Ariza grabbed Harden. It doesn't matter who initiates the contact, all it matter is the result, which is Ariza grabbed him and Harden sold it. This falls under the "slight embellishment by the player to draw attention to the marginal contact" part of the new flopping rule, which doesn't necessitate a fine.

For the second one where Dwight impeded Wall, at least it's not a bear hug like Nash did to Lin. Please don't act like only the Rockets get those favorable calls. Stars get calls a couple of times per game, deal with it.

[Teen Girl Squad]

The second play (Howard hold) is a complete non-deal. Happens all the time and is crafty play. Not ideal but has happened and will happen as long as basketball remains close to the sport as we know it. The Harden play is what is disgusting about flopping/Harden specifically, in that you can legaleze your way into that being a legitimate play but its frustrating that a player has so embraced basing his game on jobbing refs/abusing rules. Jamming into a defender is fine but its clear that he had no intention of completing a basketball play, just trying to sell a call (or allow his team to go 4v5 if its not called).

[hands11]

http://www.nba.com/dleague/news/nba_dle ... ef:nbahpts

NBA D-League to Implement Experimental In-Game Flopping Penalties

The NBA Development League will begin assessing technical fouls for in-game flopping, league President Dan Reed announced today. The technical foul penalty for flopping will begin to be implemented in games played on Thursday, Feb. 20, and will continue through the completion of the 2013-14 NBA D-League season.

Officials will be required to confirm all flopping calls on instant replay monitors

Better late then never but....

Look out Harden. Harsher rules on the way.

[Mamba Venom]

If Harden doesn't get fined for that then the league might as well just do away with the anti-flopping rules altogether. I mean, what's the point then?

He wont get fined. The league only enforces it when the public uproar is so loud it has no choice.

I HATE that the flopping penalty is a joke. Disrespectful to the game and fans. No integ - you flop blatantly you should lose your pay for that game.

[rockmanslim]

If Harden doesn't get fined for that then the league might as well just do away with the anti-flopping rules altogether. I mean, what's the point then?

He wont get fined. The league only enforces it when the public uproar is so loud it has no choice.

I HATE that the flopping penalty is a joke. Disrespectful to the game and fans. No integ - you flop blatantly you should lose your pay for that game.

They just fined PJ Tucker. I doubt there was much uproar for that.

[The_ref]

Technical fouls for flopping is, of course, allready a reality in FIBA Basketball. First offense, warn the player and the coach (therefore making the whole team warned). Second offense, technical foul (which in FIBA rules are two shots and the ball).