Will Andrew wiggins be a great player in the NBA?

defhalotones · Post #81 » by **defhalotones** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 10:50 pm

Chi wrote:R.I.P. the Wiggins legacy if he ends up in the wrong situation. I won't name any names lol...

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AustinRiversGod · Post #82 » by **AustinRiversGod** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 10:52 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:To protect myself from being on a future signature Ill just say that he is an incredible athlete that needs to develop a consistent long range, and even mid range game at times.

What up

SlowPaced · Post #83 » by **SlowPaced** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 10:59 pm

Marvin Martian wrote:
SlowPaced wrote:
Chi wrote:We've seen Terrance Ross and Ben Mac be super athletes and not dominate, and at least they can shoot. They have a skill. What makes him different or better?

First and foremost: Defense. Also quickness, work rate, poise and passing.

Ben Mclemore and Terrance Ross were both projected to be great defenders at the next level because of their all star level quickness.

This isn't about "projection". Wiggins is already a great defender.

Post #84 » by **niQ** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 11:00 pm

Can someone help me answer this?

There are a lot of critics that say Wiggins coasts too much on offense, and I've seen him at times give the ball away quickly after getting the ball.. Is this how he is or what the coach has implemented in the plays?

DanTown8587 · Post #85 » by **DanTown8587** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 11:19 pm

To me, almost all prospects need to go to the right place or else they're going to be lost. Wiggins reminds me a lot of a guy like James Harden in that I think he has all the physical tools to be great, I just think you risk ruining him if he's forced to be a franchise savior or something like that.

If he goes to LA, plays with Kobe, doesn't have that pressure to score 20-25 a night, just learn the game, etc then I can see him developing into that scorer a little down the road. If he's in Milwaukee, I think he'll struggle.

SargentBargs101 · Post #86 » by **SargentBargs101** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 11:19 pm

If wiggins lands with the Bucks.... RIP to his career

Marvin Martian · Post #87 » by **Marvin Martian** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 11:46 pm

SlowPaced wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:
SlowPaced wrote:

First and foremost: Defense. Also quickness, work rate, poise and passing.

Ben Mclemore and Terrance Ross were both projected to be great defenders at the next level because of their all star level quickness.

This isn't about "projection". Wiggins is already a great defender.

Yes it is. Wiggins hasn't played defense in the NBA but you are projecting him to be a good NBA defender based on what they have done on the college level. This is no different from the evaluations on Mclemore and Ross.

Kings2013 · Post #88 » by **Kings2013** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 1:40 am

I will make it a point to watch his entire next game to check out the intangible that have been discussed here

LakerLegend · Post #89 » by **LakerLegend** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 1:42 am

ratul wrote:Hope this is not another sullinger vs. robinson debate - Sully fans were right - he is better than robinson.

Muscles doesn't mean wins - Other than MJ, the best players weren't overly athletic. BIrd was weak, Mchale too. Hakeem was so so and Magic had court instinct

Hakeem was incredibly athletic, what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXIRsyM-gk&t=2m09s

Jvaughn · Post #90 » by **Jvaughn** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 2:23 am

MiltownHawkeye wrote:
Jazzfan12 wrote:I really struggle with the "his game is more suited to the NBA" stuff for Wiggins. The only move he has in the half-court that works is when he initiates contact off his first-step and gets to the line. This only works because he's quicker than the guys defending him and I think that could go away in the NBA. He can't finish against small centers in college so I also really struggle to see how he's going to succeed against Dwight Howard and Roy Hibbert in the NBA.

If only there was some way to become stronger.

His finishing issue has little to do with strength. It has more to do with touch.

The Skyhook · Post #91 » by **The Skyhook** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 2:24 am

I've watched just about every Kansas game this season mostly because I'm interested in scouting Embiid and Wiggins seeing how the Lakers are one of the worst teams in the league this season. For someone who is praised for their athleticism I'm always underwhelmed by Wiggins' athleticism. Its hard for me to sit here today and say that he deserve to be the number 1 pick. I just notice too many flaws in his game when I watch him. I want him to be a great player but I don't know if he will be.

dolphinatik · Post #92 » by **dolphinatik** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 4:01 am

Wiggins will be just fine. He reminds me of Kobe in terms of background and motivation. I do see him becoming a great NBA player meaning top 5 for his position. I see him being unguardable because of his quickness, height, and quick release of his shot. This kid loves to play defense and rarely looks frustrated.

Shaud · Post #93 » by **Shaud** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 4:05 am

dolphinatik wrote:Wiggins will be just fine. He reminds me of Kobe in terms of background and motivation. I do see him becoming a great NBA player meaning top 5 for his position. I see him being unguardable because of his quickness, height, and quick release of his shot. This kid loves to play defense and rarely looks frustrated.

Offensively he seems uninterested most of the time and not aggressive how does he remind you of Kobe in terms of motivation?

Kings2013 · Post #94 » by **Kings2013** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 4:24 am

Chi wrote:IMO his defense and athleticism makes him a top pick prospect period. But I wouldn't take him number 1 due to the flaws that have been pointed out and so many amazing athletes before him that have failed miserably.

I need to see more skill from him then fast break dunks and I haven't seen much. Definitely not enough to draft him number 1.

PG is not a bad comparison. But PG was lucky enough to end up on a quality team with quality player development.

R.I.P. the Wiggins legacy if he ends up in the wrong situation. I won't name any names lol...

And as far as the other top picks like Jabari and Embiid etc. I think they have more lee-way to succeed even in those situations because they're already coming into the league with a defined skill set and team role...

Wiggins is a big question mark right about now. He's an athletic defender, but how do you fit him into your offense?

I think staying another year in college would be great for him and his development. But obviously that's extremely unlikely.

So if Waiters or McLemore went to Indiana they would be studs right now, but if George went to Cleveland or Sacramento he'd be a rotation player? IMO if Wiggins is a stud we'll see it no matter where he goes, and if he isn't we won't. IMO players make the environment around them, like George helped do with the Pacers.

Bravenewworld · Post #95 » by **Bravenewworld** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 4:27 am

Who knows?

He has all the makings of being a unique and great player, but we wont be able to accurately judge his possible future until we actually see him in the NBA.

Bravenewworld · Post #96 » by **Bravenewworld** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 4:32 am

Chi wrote:Wiggins is a big question mark right about now. He's an athletic defender, but how do you fit him into your offense?

Very easily?
I dont get the question as there is not a team in the league who would pass him up as their 2 or 3 with an offense that uses him as 1-3 option. He gets to the rim at will. He can cut through players. He drop steps and fade-away jumpers. He has such a quick first step that the refs are calling it a travel when its not. He has that second quick jump. He has all the makings of a TMac and again, TMac would fit in anyone's offensive scheme.

rockmanslim · Post #97 » by **rockmanslim** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 5:19 am

Bravenewworld wrote:
Chi wrote:Wiggins is a big question mark right about now. He's an athletic defender, but how do you fit him into your offense?

Very easily?
I dont get the question as there is not a team in the league who would pass him up as their 2 or 3 with an offense that uses him as 1-3 option. He gets to the rim at will. He can cut through players. He drop steps and fade-away jumpers. He has such a quick first step that the refs are calling it a travel when its not. He has that second quick jump. He has all the makings of a TMac and again, TMac would fit in anyone's offensive scheme.

Have you actually watched Kansas play this year, or have you just watched Dawkins' Wiggins highlights?

Jazzfan12 · Post #98 » by **Jazzfan12** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 5:22 am

Wiggins can get to the rim so out of control that he wildly misses layups though.

Damon_3388 · Post #99 » by **Damon_3388** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 5:35 am

Marvin Martian wrote:Seems overrated to me. Ben Mclemore had a similar profile to Wiggins and Ben went 7th in a weak draft while Wiggins is projected to go top 3 in a strong draft. They are both uber athletic wings, with defensive potential but lacks the skills (ball handling, finishing in the half court, playmaking on both ends) and the numbers to suggest that they are going to be future all stars.

Add to this as well McLemore came into the league with a rep as a far better shooter than Wiggins is, and has still been arguably the worst rookie getting minutes this year.

PJTUCKER_BEAST · Post #100 » by **PJTUCKER_BEAST** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 5:42 am

Bravenewworld wrote:
Chi wrote:Wiggins is a big question mark right about now. He's an athletic defender, but how do you fit him into your offense?

Very easily?
I dont get the question as there is not a team in the league who would pass him up as their 2 or 3 with an offense that uses him as 1-3 option. He gets to the rim at will. He can cut through players. He drop steps and fade-away jumpers. He has such a quick first step that the refs are calling it a travel when its not. He has that second quick jump. He has all the makings of a TMac and again, TMac would fit in anyone's offensive scheme.

who are you talking about? what team does he play for?