redraft the current league in their primes

[TommyTBolt]

KD is officially the most overrated player on realgm.

One mvp in which he is deferring to WB and people are rating him above a full KG,wade, Nash, Howard, CP3 career.

Well currently his prime is a 32/8/5 season on 50/40/88 clips. As has been stated it's not a "whose career would you take?" thread.

32 this year is very impressive thats 8 more points than prime garnett but prime garnett grabbed 6 more rebounds a game, dished out another assists and was one of the best team offense / ball moving big men of his time and played great defense which isn't exactly KD's strong suit. Garnett was literally better at everything than Durant except scoring. Yes KD defers to Westbrook sometimes Garnett was also a very efficient player who shot very high percentages and was criticized for if anything passing too much and not taking the game on himself so that adds nothing to your argument.

I think Wade is superior as well with 30 ppg but 2 and a half more assists and a top flight defender but we can agree to disagree there as I know Durant is more efficient. However, it's ludicrous to have Durant over Garnett.

[QPR]

Well yeah I'm not ranking KD ahead of them, I'm just pointing out that his prime can easily be compared to any of the current greats. Whether his prime has been long enough is another matter entirely.

[greg4012]

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Kevin Garnett
4. Lebron James
5. Dirk Nowitski
6. Kevin Durant
7. Vince Carter
8. Ray Allen
9. Dwayne Wade
10. Paul Pierce
11. Dwight Howard
12. Chris Paul

everyone else in some kind of order.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have officially hit a new low

[jpengland]

Why it is stupid is that someone like Andrew Bynum and his one good 'prime' season could be ranked higher than guys who performed for 10 - 12 years at a good level.

[TommyTBolt]

Why it is stupid is that someone like Andrew Bynum and his one good 'prime' season could be ranked higher than guys who performed for 10 - 12 years at a good level.

i dont think its stupid i think its interesting to think about from lots of perspectives. guys ceilings and the maximum athletic ability they got out of themselves is interesting to me. As is the perspective of a single season, since basketball is a single season, and the idea of how good any of these guys were at the absolute best potential season compared to other guys.

It's not an all time ranking, it's not career based, it's something different try to appreciate it for that, a different way of thinking about players and what they are capable of.

[WVSArtist]

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Kevin Garnett
4. Lebron James
5. Dirk Nowitski
6. Kevin Durant
7. Vince Carter
8. Ray Allen
9. Dwayne Wade
10. Paul Pierce
11. Dwight Howard
12. Chris Paul

everyone else in some kind of order.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have officially hit a new low

Whatever you say pal. My opinion and I'm sticking to it. Make your own list.

[greg4012]

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Kevin Garnett
4. Lebron James
5. Dirk Nowitski
6. Kevin Durant
7. Vince Carter
8. Ray Allen
9. Dwayne Wade
10. Paul Pierce
11. Dwight Howard
12. Chris Paul

everyone else in some kind of order.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have officially hit a new low

Whatever you say pal. My opinion and I'm sticking to it. Make your own list.

There's just a few really bad and illogical choices you made. I'm surprised you're not a Celtics fan because you have Allen, Pierce, and Garnett too high (even though Garnett is top tier, just no way above LeBron) and above players that they have no argument to be above.

Particularly, Ray Allen above Wade. Is that a joke? By every statistical measure, Dwyane Wade has simply been a different level player than Allen for the duration of their careers. And Wade was no flash in the pan (despite the recent rhetoric of uninformed young bball fans suggesting that.)

Wade literally has EIGHT seasons where his production levels were better than Ray Allen's best statistical season. Even last season, his numbers basically matched those of peak Ray Allen.

Vince Carter above Wade, Howard, and Paul is another head scratcher. I could maybe forgive it on the idea that it's hard to compare a center's production and a PG's production to that of a wing. But, Howard and Paul have had bigger seasons than VC. Putting him over Wade is inexcusable, as they are the same position, have similar games, and Wade has had the significantly higher peak, and better overall career.

Kobe and KG above LeBron is straight lunacy.

My quick list:

1. LeBron James
2. Tim Duncan
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Kevin Durant
6. Dwyane Wade
7. Dirk Nowitzki
8. Chris Paul
9. Dwight Howard
10. Steve Nash

Just missed top 10: Pierce, Vince Carter, Carmelo Anthony

[WVSArtist]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have officially hit a new low

Whatever you say pal. My opinion and I'm sticking to it. Make your own list.

There's just a few really bad and illogical choices you made. I'm surprised you're not a Celtics fan because you have Allen, Pierce, and Garnett too high (even though Garnett is top tier, just no way above LeBron) and above players that they have no argument to be above.

Particularly, Ray Allen above Wade. Is that a joke? By every statistical measure, Dwyane Wade has simply been a different level player than Allen for the duration of their careers. And Wade was no flash in the pan (despite the recent rhetoric of uninformed young bball fans suggesting that.)

Wade literally has EIGHT seasons where his production levels were better than Ray Allen's best statistical season. Even last season, his numbers basically matched those of peak Ray Allen.

Vince Carter above Wade, Howard, and Paul is another head scratcher. I could maybe forgive it on the idea that it's hard to compare a center's production and a PG's production to that of a wing. But, Howard and Paul have had bigger seasons than VC. Putting him over Wade is inexcusable, as they are the same position, have similar games, and Wade has had the significantly higher peak, and better overall career.

Kobe and KG above LeBron is straight lunacy.

My quick list:

1. LeBron James
2. Tim Duncan
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Kevin Durant
6. Dwyane Wade
7. Dirk Nowitzki
8. Chris Paul
9. Dwight Howard
10. Steve Nash

Just missed top 10: Pierce, Vince Carter, Carmelo Anthony

Maybe you have a point about Wade over Allen but I'll stick with K.G over any Forward not named Tim Duncan. To me he was the second best of that position in the entire 2000's decade. Very few weaknesses other then bad teammates throughout his time in Minnesota and his not being very consistent at man to man defense.

[bbms]

My particular top 10.

1- Tim Duncan (best combo of offensive ability, defensive anchor and elite rebounding)
2- LeBron James (best all-round player)
3- Kevin Garnett (most versatile offensive bigman available, defensive anchor and elite rebounder)
4- Kevin Durant (best scorer, most versatile offensive anchor)
5- Dirk Nowitzki (most impactful non-pg offensive player, defensive red flags put him behind Durant)
6- Dwyane Wade (second best at handling ultra-high usage after LBJ, second best all-round perimeter play)
7- Steve Nash (gives you goat offensive team. gets knocked behind Durant, Wade and Dirk because PG is loaded)
8- Kobe Bryant (third best at handling ultra-high usage)
9- Chris Paul (arguably third best all-round perimeter player in his prime, knocked becaus the talent pool at PG)
10- Dwight Howard (great defensive anchor, elite rebounder strong and efficient scorer)

[schnakenpopanz]

People seem to forget how good steve nash was. He led the best offenses for nearly a decade in the league. Easily Top 10.

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We can agree to disagree about his ranking being top 10, I could see it but I have him 14 on my list. However don't tell me "easily". Lets assume he is not easily better than Lebron / Duncan / Garnett / Kobe the top 4 on any reasonable persons list in some particular order.

Nash in his prime was a 19 ppg, 11 and a half assist, 4 rebound floor general for like you said the best offense in the game although non existent defense. He had a perfect coach and a perfect partner in crime in Amar'e for his best seasons. Always had plenty of help scoring on that offense maybe thats why his scoring NEVER reached 20 ppg because he had Amar'e, Marion, Richardson who were all 20 ppg scorers. With all of that in context I again acknowledge he was a heck of a player but easily top 10, easily better than...
Howard - 22 pts per game, 14.5 rebounds, 3 blocks / very good defense
Wade - 30 ppg, 7.5 assists, 6 rebounds, very good defense
Durant - 30 ppg, 5 assists, 8 rebounds, equally high shooting percentage
Nowitzki - 26 ppg, 9 rebounds, equally high shooting percentage
Paul - equals Nash's 11.5 assists but 22.5 pts, very good defense / 3 steals compared to none from nash
Pierce - 26 pts / 5 assists / 7 rebounds / 2 steals / 1 block - all around player, scorer, distributor, rebounder, defender, clutch
Anthony - 29 pts / 8 rebounds
Gasol - 21 pts / 11 rebounds / 4 assists and good ball movement
Rose - 4 less assists but 6 more points at 25 and 7.5
Vince Carter - 27 pts / 5 assists / 5 rebounds

I could name a few more but I don't it's easy to say in their best seasons that Steve Nash is "easily" better than any of those guys.

the main thing you ignore in listing all these stats is, that this is not an individual sport. so being awesome while making everyone else better is a non measurable fact. so as long as you mention carter, anthony in the same group as nash, it seems worthless to me.

[Massamba]

In terms of talent and impact on the game.

1. Lebron
2. Ducan
3. Durant
4. KG
5. Kobe
6. Wade
7. Dirk
8. Howard
9. Paul
10. Griffin
11. Carter
12. Allen
13. Pierce
14. Nash
15. Anthony
16. Westbrook
17. Rose
18. Pau Gasol
19. Love/Bosh
20. Marc Gasol

[brownbobcat]

Mine would probably go something like this:
19. Irving

33. Pierce

There are a lot of things wrong with this list, but on what planet is Paul Pierce 14 spots lower than never-did- **** -all-in-my-career-other-than-a-commercial Kyrie Irving?

Tier 1
1. Lebron
2. Duncan
3. Kobe

Tier 2
4. Garnett
5. Durant
6. Howard
7. Wade
8. Dirk

Tier 3
9. Paul
10. Pierce
11. Nash
12. Carter
13. Anthony
14. Stoudamire
15. Rose
16. Love
17. Griffin
18. Curry
19. Parker
20. Gasol
21. Allen
22. Jermaine O'Neal
23. Bosh
24. Westbrook

[Effigy]

Mine would probably go something like this:
1. Lebron
2. Duncan
3. Durant
4. Dirk
5. Kobe
6. KG
7. Davis
8. Howard
9. Wade
10. Paul
11. Howard
12. Curry
13. Love
14. Aldridge

Are you counting Orlando Dwight and Laker/Houston Dwight as separate players or did you mean Josh Howard?

[Effigy]

1) Kobe
2) Lebron
3) Duncan
4) Durant
5) Paul
6) Wade
7) KG
8) Dirk
9) Nash
10) Ray Allen
11) Dwight Howard
12) Pau Gasol
13) Melo
14) LMA
15) Pierce
16) Parker
17) Westbrook
18) Carter
19) Love
20) Bosh

[TommyTBolt]

People seem to forget how good steve nash was. He led the best offenses for nearly a decade in the league. Easily Top 10.

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We can agree to disagree about his ranking being top 10, I could see it but I have him 14 on my list. However don't tell me "easily". Lets assume he is not easily better than Lebron / Duncan / Garnett / Kobe the top 4 on any reasonable persons list in some particular order.

Nash in his prime was a 19 ppg, 11 and a half assist, 4 rebound floor general for like you said the best offense in the game although non existent defense. He had a perfect coach and a perfect partner in crime in Amar'e for his best seasons. Always had plenty of help scoring on that offense maybe thats why his scoring NEVER reached 20 ppg because he had Amar'e, Marion, Richardson who were all 20 ppg scorers. With all of that in context I again acknowledge he was a heck of a player but easily top 10, easily better than...
Howard - 22 pts per game, 14.5 rebounds, 3 blocks / very good defense
Wade - 30 ppg, 7.5 assists, 6 rebounds, very good defense
Durant - 30 ppg, 5 assists, 8 rebounds, equally high shooting percentage
Nowitzki - 26 ppg, 9 rebounds, equally high shooting percentage
Paul - equals Nash's 11.5 assists but 22.5 pts, very good defense / 3 steals compared to none from nash
Pierce - 26 pts / 5 assists / 7 rebounds / 2 steals / 1 block - all around player, scorer, distributor, rebounder, defender, clutch
Anthony - 29 pts / 8 rebounds
Gasol - 21 pts / 11 rebounds / 4 assists and good ball movement
Rose - 4 less assists but 6 more points at 25 and 7.5
Vince Carter - 27 pts / 5 assists / 5 rebounds

I could name a few more but I don't it's easy to say in their best seasons that Steve Nash is "easily" better than any of those guys.

the main thing you ignore in listing all these stats is, that this is not an individual sport. so being awesome while making everyone else better is a non measurable fact. so as long as you mention carter, anthony in the same group as nash, it seems worthless to me.

what has nash done that makes him so much more of a winner than anthony or carter. was he the best player on a championship team, a finals team? no he wasn't he got his team to the conference finals one or two more times than Carmelo or Vince Carter and Carmelo is alot younger. Lets not forget Nash had much more talent around him than any of the other guys who didn't win rings. Again lets remember he had prime Amare and prime Marion for multiple years and together and couldn't win a championship.

I'm not trying to knock the guy but to make a argument that its not an individual sport is silly when 1. out of the 5 major team sports (baseball, hockey, basketball, football, soccer) basketball easily is the most dominated by any one particular player and 2. nash isnt some multiple nba champion or have nba finals mvps or anything like hes dwade. If you wanna argue its a team game thats cool but if that elevates Nash over Anthony or Carter doesn't than elevate Billups, Pau Gasol, Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo and Tony Parker over Nash. Particularly Billips who took a team to the title, won the finals MVP as the best player on the team, beat the same Laker team that the Suns couldn't and did it with far less talent than around him than Nash.

Also, you wanna keep preaching team game but completely ignore defense which is a major component of the game. Nash is one of the worst defenders on my list of 60 players, guys like CP3 and DWade who you might rank Nash over not only score more points but are MUCH more effective defenders and can play defense on an all pro level when necessary.

[ShowTimeERA]

I HATE Kobe and anyone who has him lower than 3 is just being ridiculous. Kevin Garnett over Kobe? What?

I would probably have to do:

1. Lebron
2. Duncan
3. Kobe
4. Durant
5. KG
6. Dirk

After that it's kind of a hodgepodge of young guys with untapped potential and more veteran players who are great but have substantial flaws in their resume.

Also, I learned in this thread that Jeff Green is going to have a better career than Ginobli. Get to work Jeff, you have a LONG way to go!

Prime Kobe couldn't do better than an 8 seed. I even think I rated him too high and I underrated Dirk. I'd take Dirk over Kobe.

When has LA been a 8th seed during Kobe's prime?

[PierceFan4ever]

On what world is prime Ray Allen better than prime Pierce or prime Carter.

[Catchall]

1 Lebron
2 Duncan
3 Kobe
4 KG
5 Durant
6 Amare
7 Wade
8 Dirk
9 Dwight
10 CP3 / Nash

[Catchall]

People often forget how the 2004 MVP version of Kevin Garnett obliterated the league and almost single-handedly carried the T'Wolves to the WCF. When he went to the Celtics, he basically changed them from the worst team in the league into the best. Yes, Ray Allen helped, but still.

[Hans Embiid]

People often forget how the 2004 MVP version of Kevin Garnett obliterated the league and almost single-handedly carried the T'Wolves to the WCF. When he went to the Celtics, he basically changed them from the worst team in the league into the best. Yes, Ray Allen helped, but still.

who cares. Prime Dirk is still better.

1 Duncan
2 LeBron
3 Kobe
4 Dirk
5 Wade