Wall vs. Kyrie for the last pg spot according to USA Today

He Filled it Up · Post #81 » by **He Filled it Up** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:47 pm

noobcake wrote:Irving won the 3 point challenge. Irving flourishes when he plays with all-stars, as evident in his All-Star MVP trophy. Irving's vision and passing is so severely underrated on these forums.

Duke player being a terrible defender seems to be a talking point around here.

All this says is that Kyrie excels in situations where little or no defense is involved.

flash22 · Post #82 » by **flash22** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:53 pm

Wall is uptempo high pressure defensive guard who can facilitated to the other scorers on the team.

High0ctane21 · Post #83 » by **High0ctane21** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:56 pm

For this team, I think Wall should make it. He's a better passer and defender. He'll create some havoc and force turnovers left and right. Kyrie is the better shooter, but with Curry, Harden, Durant, George, etc... he isn't AS valuable.

Threethrows · Post #84 » by **Threethrows** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:59 pm

FWIW to people talking about Lillard's defense, he's been getting praised for his defense in the practices and people know he can shoot. The fact that he can play off the ball helps too. He knows he will only be playing spot minutes at this point assuming he makes the team, so his focus on defense has been big.

2Chainz · Post #85 » by **2Chainz** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:02 pm

Am I the only one that feels John Wall isn't as good of a facilitator as his assist numbers would have you believe?

BodieB · Post #86 » by **BodieB** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:03 pm

Dat2U wrote:
BodieB wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:Literally every other player on the court is a shooter besides the C so why should Walls lack of shooting matter? He does literally everything else at a high level.

I don't understand why Rose makes it just off of looking decent in scrimmages. He wasn't even good at the last worlds.

The coaches understand his value, that's what matters. And he's looked more than "decent", have you not been reading the camp reports?

Huh, how could coaches understand his value when he's played 49 games since the 2010-11 season???

I don't think even Chicago coaches could understand his value or have any clue of what he might bring to the table next season so how in hell would USA coaches know off of a handful of practices?

Rose is healthy to the coaches right now, he's a leader on the team, he's been one of the best players on the team so far, and he's played for them in the world championship before. Why exactly would they care about his health the last two seasons when he's apparently healthy now? :nonono:

NZB2323 · Post #87 » by **NZB2323** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:08 pm

Kyrie doesn't play defense and has never played in a big game. Easy decision.

Dark Faze · Post #88 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:13 pm

2Chainz wrote:Am I the only one that feels John Wall isn't as good of a facilitator as his assist numbers would have you believe?

Pretty much yes you should be the only one. The only better passers in the league are Nash (dead) , CP3 and MAYBE Rubio.

He's averaged 9 APG with terribly inefficient talent around him every year he's been in the league. For as much as people hype Beal the guy has been inefficient.

Wall would absolutely drown in dimes with the sort of talent Team USA would put around him.

ManualRam · Post #89 » by **ManualRam** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:14 pm

2Chainz wrote:Am I the only one that feels John Wall isn't as good of a facilitator as his assist numbers would have you believe?

no you're not. he's a good passer but he dominates the ball more than anybody in the league, literally. no player spent more time on the ball than wall last yr.

flash22 · Post #90 » by **flash22** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:19 pm

ManualRam wrote:
2Chainz wrote:Am I the only one that feels John Wall isn't as good of a facilitator as his assist numbers would have you believe?

no you're not. he's a good passer but he dominates the ball more than anybody in the league, literally. no player spent more time on the ball than wall last yr.

Lets ask Trevor Ariza and Martell Webster how good a distributer he is. Wall is unstoppable when surrounded by good spot up shooters.

He also plays defense.

Illmatic12 · Post #91 » by **Illmatic12** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:20 pm

2Chainz wrote:Am I the only one that feels John Wall isn't as good of a facilitator as his assist numbers would have you believe?

Your feeling is incorrect.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-r ... corner-3s/

Dat2U · Post #92 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:20 pm

ManualRam wrote:
2Chainz wrote:Am I the only one that feels John Wall isn't as good of a facilitator as his assist numbers would have you believe?

no you're not. he's a good passer but he dominates the ball more than anybody in the league, literally. no player spent more time on the ball than wall last yr.

The lack of other ballhandlers in the starting lineup pretty much necessitates this. So is the fact that the offense they use still contains elements of Flip Saunders PG centric offense which features one dominant ballhandler.

ManualRam · Post #93 » by **ManualRam** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:23 pm

flash22 wrote:
ManualRam wrote:
2Chainz wrote:Am I the only one that feels John Wall isn't as good of a facilitator as his assist numbers would have you believe?

no you're not. he's a good passer but he dominates the ball more than anybody in the league, literally. no player spent more time on the ball than wall last yr.

Lets ask Trevor Ariza and Martell Webster how good a distributer he is. Wall is unstoppable when surrounded by good spot up shooters.

He also plays defense.

sure, but be honest. assess wall's half court game. to me he's still primarily a transition, 2ndary break playmaker. much more so than a good half court facilitator.

LofJ · Post #94 » by **LofJ** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:24 pm

Beal, Ariza, and Webster all looked like garbage whenever Wall was out injured. So yeah I definitely don't agree with Wall being an overrated facilitator.

ManualRam · Post #95 » by **ManualRam** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:25 pm

Dat2U wrote:
ManualRam wrote:
2Chainz wrote:Am I the only one that feels John Wall isn't as good of a facilitator as his assist numbers would have you believe?

no you're not. he's a good passer but he dominates the ball more than anybody in the league, literally. no player spent more time on the ball than wall last yr.

The lack of other ballhandlers in the starting lineup pretty much necessitates this. So is the fact that the offense they use still contains elements of Flip Saunders PG centric offense which features one dominant ballhandler.

eh. i think flip's schemes are little more creative than that.

Dupp · Post #96 » by **Dupp** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:27 pm

cdouglas wrote:DEFENSE wins CHAMPIONSHIPS!

Not point guard defence.

dlts20 · Post #97 » by **dlts20** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:29 pm

ManualRam wrote:
flash22 wrote:
ManualRam wrote:no you're not. he's a good passer but he dominates the ball more than anybody in the league, literally. no player spent more time on the ball than wall last yr.

Lets ask Trevor Ariza and Martell Webster how good a distributer he is. Wall is unstoppable when surrounded by good spot up shooters.

He also plays defense.

sure, but be honest. assess wall's half court game. to me he's still primarily a transition, 2ndary break playmaker. much more so than a good half court facilitator.

that is so not Wall anymore. Thats stuff in the past that people cant get past. When he came back from his injury the season before, he was a totally differnet PG. Any Wiz fan will tell you. Even Wiz fans admit that his halfcourt game was lacking but he's as good as any PG in the halfcourt right now not named Paul. He's great at running the O and setting up shots for others. He's not strictly a fastbreak guy anymore and hasnt been for a year and a half now

NattyPButter · Post #98 » by **NattyPButter** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:35 pm

what can Lillard do better then Wall or Kyrie besides shoot the 3? His D sucks, his FG% sucks, and he's an ok passer. Lillard get's to much praise with his horrible FG% he had for 2 years straight and his low assist numbers.

deneem4 · Post #99 » by **deneem4** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:36 pm

Tony parker couldn't shoot in the finals but he distributed perfect...and his team shot the lights out

flash22 · Post #100 » by **flash22** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:38 pm

ManualRam wrote:
flash22 wrote:
ManualRam wrote:no you're not. he's a good passer but he dominates the ball more than anybody in the league, literally. no player spent more time on the ball than wall last yr.

Lets ask Trevor Ariza and Martell Webster how good a distributer he is. Wall is unstoppable when surrounded by good spot up shooters.

He also plays defense.

sure, but be honest. assess wall's half court game. to me he's still primarily a transition, 2ndary break playmaker. much more so than a good half court facilitator.

Maybe about 2 years ago. Wall is fine in the half court now. He's improved his jumper and three point shooting to the point where teams can't sag the paint against him and he is deadly in the pick roll/pop. Pick and roll with Gortat with wings at the Corner 3 was bread and butter for the wizards last year.